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Basic Training |
One thing that I find very disturbing on these message boards is how prevalent theivery seems to be for those attending school in the Army. All I can say to that is...WTF?!
My A-school experience in the Navy one one of the most enjoyable times in my life. I was very close to just about everyone on my floor, especially so with my roomates. We frequently would leave our doors unlocked while we were in our rooms with a come and go as you please policy for our friends. If someone needed to use my laptop while i was taking a shower, they didnt even need to ask, we were all brothers! Most of us would hang out together at the same watering holes, hit the gym together, rent movies and so on...alltogether it was very much like being in a college dorm, only better since it has always been my opinion that some of the best people in the country are those who choose a life of service... If anything I would have thought that the Army would be even more focused on trusting your fellow soldier, since in many situations that trust could be the difference between life and death, or at very least mission success could hang in the balance. Sadly, that trust and brotherhood mentality that I experienced in A-school in the Navy pretty much was nonexistant after I left. That was one of the main reasons I crossed over into the army...I want to get that feeling back! Was I just being naive? I really, REALLY hope not... |
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Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer |
In my experience, the Army is the opposite. You can't trust the random people you are in AIT with, but you can count on your platoon or squadmates when you get to your 'real' unit. There are of course exceptions everywhere.
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If you leave your room unsecured, who's fault is that. Yes we all (well some if that) live by the 7 army values. And beside those you should already have a healthy set of values instilled into you before you enlisted, but sadly that's not the case. Anyway keep secure of your items, don't trust anyone unless you're gonna MAN UP and say it was your fault for leaving unsecured. Like to say we live in a perfect wolrd. But we don't so that's why you always wanna have 100 percent security of all your items. Trust your friends all you want, but don't forget people have one bad trait and that's the ability to sin
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So I guess by that logic if a pretty girl walks down a dark alley its her fault she gets raped right?? Pure rubbish Thor, I really hope you dont believe that attitude is within keeping of the Army core values. Blaming the victim is perhaps the WORST thing you can do because it makes other victims not want to come forward and thus, you are actually ENDORSING the criminal behaviour!! Now im not saying that leaving your gear unsecured in an enviornment completely saturated with scumbags that will steal your wallet as soon as look at you is a smart idea, but its certainly NOT your fault if you do and someone steals your gear. Its the fault of the lowlife scumbag that has no respect for his fellow soldier. The real question is why does the Army tolerate such scumbags within its ranks?? The Navy has its problems to be sure, but if someone stole another sailors gear I can garuntee you they would toss every locker in the whole building, multiple times and make life hell until the gear was returned or someone turned in the culprit. But honestly, I cant think of any signifigant instances of theft while I was in the Navy, not during A-school, nor when I was stationed at Andrews. Im sure it happens, but apparently not to the extent of the crime rate in the army, if these forums can be believed. And I can promise you that the victim would not be blamed. Maybe he would be called stupid, but never would he be blamed. |
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Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer |
You seem to want to hate the Army. If you do, it will let you. However, cherrypicking a couple of posts from a message board and projecting it onto the Army is not very fair. People tend to post problems they are having. No one gets on here to say 'Hey. No one stole my stuff', do they? I read through quite a few forums on here, and the Navy forum has had the same stuff. I read about a few homosexuals in the Navy. I guess you all are. And the Navy must not care.
And whether you are aware of it or not, you are coming across as a first class prick. The Army doesn't need smug, holier than thou attitudes. If you feel your post is representative of yourself or your personality, do us all a favor, stay a seaman. By the way, no one ever stole my stuff. |
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Basic Training |
The Army (at least at the Signal School at Fort Gordon) no longer has anything that even resembles meaningful discipline. Within the Signal School, the inmates run the asylum, the only thing that the command seems to care about is PT test scores.
In “the old days” you had someone on each floor of the barracks assigned to “Fire Guard” duty, and that person served two functions, they watched for fire, and they watched for suspicious activity. These days they have something called Fire Guard, but it has nothing to do with watching anything, it’s an additional cleanup detail. You can’t watch for suspicious activity in the hallway if you’re cleaning the latrine. The whole thing is a** backwards. Their idea of discipline today is to “smoke” someone, make them do some pushups, BFD. They used to have a stockade, and they used to lock people up in it, and they used to court-martial them and pack them off to Ft. Leavenworth too. The Army is letting thugs and “gangstas” from the hood enlist, and at Gordon they let them play their “gangsta rap” all night long in the barracks, WTF do you expect? |
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Basic Training |
Quite the opposite, I want to love it, but the obvious pattern of similar stories of crime gives me pause.
Hmm, get defensive much? You are just trying to provoke me personally. Thats pretty typical behaviour on message boards Ill grant you, but I thought this was a place for adults to ask adult questions about the Army and get answers, not ridicule.
No. What I will do is try to set an example for others in the Army through moral behaviour. I have two sons, and Id like to think that I set a good example for them as well. You might want to think about that Bill. Will you teach your children that its ok to steal if someone leaves their things unguarded? Im sorry but I dont believe that the only reason not to do something wrong is because you cant. I notice nowhere in your obviously baiting reply did you in fact DENY that the Army has a large crime problem. I wish you would, or that someone would because id love to hear that theres another side to this story. As it stands now the only replies ive seen are those agreeing that it has a huge theft problem, or posts like your that just attack others personally instead of debating the issue with logic and civility. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Vizier, |
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Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer |
Look, if you want to base your perception of a million plus Army on a few message board posts, good for you. I hope you manage to somehow instill a little reasoning power in your kid's(since we're pulling our kids out in a message board now, like its some kind of trump card. I've got three so I win  ). |
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Bill-
Maybe im not expressing myself clearly enough for you so Ill simplify this whole thing down to one question: Do you think its acceptable to blame someone who is a victim of thievery because his or her gear wasnt secured properly? Please just answer this yes or no. Rhetoric is not required. |
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Vizier- You're just anti ARMY. Go back to the Navy where you belong. BTW, why are all Navy wives as big as Boats?? heh?
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Ive no idea how you gather im anti army from any of my posts, especially since i specifically said I wasnt. Is this not the appropriate forum to ask real questions about army life? If not please tell me where to post.
Your insults are pretty pathetic while hiding behind the safety of an anonymous keyboard. If you want to compare the size of your e-peen and insult your fellow l33t h4xors, head over to the grand theft auto boards and go crazy. WHere is all this anger coming from? I never insulted anyone, or the army. I just want to know about the place im going to be spending the next four years in. Why exactly does that deserve flames? I think the real question is why do you empathize with the criminal's mind? Its been my experience that the only people who empathize with criminals are criminals. I guess what ive really learned is that this is just a jank forum where a bunch of infants get their rocks off by trading insults behind keyboard safety. Theres nothing new or special about that, 75% of all online forums degrade into that after a while. I really hope thats the case, this isnt an official govt forum after all. Regardless its clear that no one is able to provide intelligent discussion here so im out. Feel free to add your e-flames saying how much you hate me and the Navy all you like. Its just pixels after all. If anyone wants to say something to my face my name is Robert Leva and ill be in your beloved fort gordon sometime in late July / early august, attached to whatever unit a 25U in training gets attached to. Stop down and say it to my face, you might be surprised at what you find. |
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Basic Training |
AT EASE PRIVATE! You won't make it thru Ft Gordon. Next time you come in here claiming the Army has a thivery problem expect the wrath of the Army to come down on you. Don't you have a floor to mop?
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Basic Training |
Vizier,
Yes, there are some thieves in the Army. Its a fact of life. If you want to keep your stuff, make sure its locked up or secure. Someone can be punished for leaving items unsecured, its just the way it is. Some units in the Army are better at controlling the amount of theft than others. Some units have personnel that are more honest than other units personnel. I could be comfortable leaving my room unlocked while assigned to one unit, but uncomfortable in another unit. In either instance however, I would secure my room. Its an unfortunate state of affairs, but its reality. |
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Basic Training |
Theft is nothing new.
Back in 1984, I bought an Army "class ring" when I graduated Basic, since couldn't afford a ring when I graduated from high school. My first night at Ft Gordon I left it in the soap dish while washing up. I walked to my room, realized I didn't have my ring and walked back, but the ring was already gone. In the span of 30 seconds! I went door to door talking to everyone on the floor, but nobody would admit to seeing it. There's a reason we have locks on our duffel bags and wall lockers... |
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Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer |
What the hell does that have to do with me? That was an argument you were having with another poster. Not me. I responded to a thread called 'How can thievery be so prevalent in the Army??'. Do try to stay on topic. It shouldn't be that difficult considering you started the topic. Take your strawman somewhere else. |
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Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer |
^^^My bad. It's your second post that you became ******baggish. ^^^ And BTW, I tried to give you an answer in my first two posts. It wasn't what you wanted to hear so you ignored it. |
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Basic Training |
There's only one thief in the Army. Everyone else is trying to get their **** back.
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Old story, same ending..."you leave something out, you make someone a thief." I made that mistake when I got ready to leave ship for liberty and I tossed all my civies onto the rack. I didn't realize that I also threw my wallet in that pile too...Guess I was in a hurry. I got back to find exactly half of $160 gone. Well I asked the only person there if he had seen anything...of course he said no..later when talking to someone else about it, they said 'Didn't you know he was a known thief?'...lol...stupid young me. I proceeded to tell him that if he ever stole from me again 'I'd cut his f'in hands off'...Never had an issue again, but I did learn a valuable lesson.
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