I was disqualified for the following reason: "N5 -- Per MEPCOM N stat until recr command & MEPCOM authorize." What does this mean?
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My MEPS experience (grab a drink):
The recruiter scheduled me for MEPS processing at 0615 this morning, which was about 90 minutes after the nominal start time for those staying at the hotel. I drove myself, and parked in a big parking lot across the street from the facility. I buzzed the intercom and was told to empty my pockets immediately upon entering the building.
There were about 50 applicants grouped together in front of a large TV when I arrived: A lot of them were young kids and behaved as such (fidgeting, kicking chairs, falling asleep, etc.) I went directly to the control desk and was asked for my name and medical prescreen by an uninterested civilian employee. She assigned me a sticker with a barcode and some other cryptic notation indicating my candidacy for a commission, and handed me a yellow folder with my medical documentation.
Candidates for military chaplaincy, judge advocacy (lawyers), and medical professions are sometimes given special treatment in the form of "special category" processing--this means front-of-line privileges and a more personal medical consultation. Not so at this place! Capacity at this particular facility is often saturated because so many stations are undermanned, and so I had to go through the gauntlet in the same way as a freshly-minted HS grad.
I asked this same lady for directions to the medical screening area, and she said to follow the green arrows affixed to the linoleum floor. Once I got to the "Emerald City" (medical screening area), I was told to take a seat.
Iteration through a line is generally accomplished by some tech, admin, or doctor saying "Next man!" in a loud voice. I was the third "next man" in this first of several lines that would form. The lady must have seen my nametag (or my bald spot)--she didn't give me the "drill instructor" treatment that she gave most of the others.
The blood pressure station consisted of a 3-by-3 matrix of chairs, and four self-contracting cuffs. It was clear that the lady supervising this station had had her fill of people sitting in the wrong seat, providing the wrong paperwork, and taking her pen. In any case, I learned that drinking a half-cup of black McDonald's coffee increases my blood pressure by 10%. How bizarre, how bizarre....
Audio exam. Man, were those headphones painful! I couldn't quite adjust my headphones before the test began, so I was stuck listening for Morse code in a hot, 6-by-6 ft room with my left ear folded over. The lady operating the audio station was just as jovial as the one at BP. Remember to "Pass the pen BACK!" and keep your 2808 on TOP of the yellow folder.
The vision station had the best "pre-engagement experience." Six of us were sitting just outside the entrance to a dark room containing (1) the equipment for vision testing, and (2) a grumpy technician. The grumpy technician came out of the room and told us to "Get in Order!" as if we just got off the bus. We played musical chairs for a while, and eventually fulfilled his wish. When my turn came up, the grumpy technician said, "Let's see how blind you are." I took off my glasses and tried to read the biggest line--a total blur. He told me to take off my glasses so he could do a finger test. "How many fingers do you see?" Passed, but not without being told I was blind as a bat and getting some oohs and aahs from people who saw my prescription. This really seemed like the death-nail to my processing, but apparently not being able to see the big "E" is sufficient to earn a "2" on your PULHES profile.
It gets better. I was directed to an air-conditioned classroom with a projector screen for our medical briefing. There were about 15 people in the room: 13 candidates for enlistment, 2 for officer (me and one OTS). Three-quarters of the class had tattoos, and three were 17 years old, including the guy who fell asleep on the desk in front of me. We were told to follow the proctor's instructions to the letter, and not work ahead. A few people completely tuned out and filled out the entire form anyway. One person held up the entire group for 15 minutes by arriving late. Nobody seemed to know what "next of kin" was. There was a lot of backpedalling for people who didn't keep pace or made mistakes. We also did a breathalyzer test; nobody blew for alcohol, although we were told about the 30-or-so shippers that blew positive after partying hard at the hotel one month prior.
Blood draw. This was amusing, and I got in trouble here for making jokes while waiting in line. It didn't look like I would be getting the "red carpet treatment" my recruiter mentioned, so I struck conversation with the two kids sitting beside me. We saw an applicant who was bleeding profusely from the arm leave the station, and wondered how good the tech's aim would be when it was our turn. When my turn came, I sat down and literally pointed to the correct vain in front of the tech before she stuck me. She told the others, "Hey, this guy knows where the right place is." Luckily, there was no need to break out the map and compass.
Whiz quiz! The grumpy technician from the vision station doubled as a proctor for the urinalysis. We were brought in five at a time and told to stand in front a urinal. Some people did not have the "capacity" to perform the task, and were angrily told to drink water and wait for 15 minutes. After the samples were collected, we were told to do a right face (on slippery tile--someone almost slipped), line up, and wait for another tech to open a window and take our materials. I earned the ire of the grumpy tech by doing a left oblique into a wall right after leaving the restroom. Ouch.
Time for the medical consultation. We were told to densely pack two rows of chairs adjacent to two examination rooms. The doctors at the MEPS are, well, ancient: several of them have been stationed at the same facility since the 1960s. Yeah, do the math. Anyway, we played musical chairs again and were called to one of two examination rooms one-by-one. The guy who was in front of me was a hopeful Marine-to-be, and was telling jokes and smiling as he was walking into the examination room. Slam! The door closes. Click! There's the lock. Fifteen minutes later, that same person exits the room stone-faces. PDQ? Not sure. But that doctor didn't seem the least bit friendly. My head-of-line privileges got me into the doctor's office no sooner than next-to-last, and the doc told me to close the door and have a seat. Two grunts and one minute later, the doctor jumps out of his chair and leads me to the CMO (my records said "CMO consult only"). The doc and the CMO retreat into an office and discuss my file. About a minute later, I am led out to a row of chairs toward the front of the medical screening area, and told to wait.
Almost an hour passes before an Army sergeant waves his finger at me to get out of my chair and follow him into a room with several administrative offices. He has me take a seat so he can make copies of my records. I was approached by no less than 10 people--including the techs at the blood draw station that mumbled to themselves, "There's the guy who was telling me how to do my job."-- asking me to state my business while he was away; "He just told me to sit here" was all I had.
The Army sergeant leads me to a senior liaison in the Air Force counseling office. The liaison tells me that my processing has been put in a "holding pattern" because of some information in my medical documentation--the same documentation that was reviewed by the CMO a week earlier and cleared for processing today--and that I was never supposed to floor (show for processing) today. I asked why they approved me process in the first place, and they didn't have an answer. (They were DQ'ing me during my marathon wait for the CMO.) They said their lawyers would probably be reviewing my file in addition to physicians. At this point, two E-7s, a major, and a colonial were handling my case--this effectively shut down the Air Force counseling office for about 30 minutes. Meanwhile, I was watching Malcolm in the Middle with some kid continuously kicking the back of my chair. The liaison eventually called me back into the office and told me to check out and contact my recruiter for further instructions while command reviews my case.
Candidates for military chaplaincy, judge advocacy (lawyers), and medical professions are sometimes given special treatment in the form of "special category" processing--this means front-of-line privileges and a more personal medical consultation. Not so at this place! Capacity at this particular facility is often saturated because so many stations are undermanned, and so I had to go through the gauntlet in the same way as a freshly-minted HS grad.
Sorry to hear you had to go slumming with the rest of us serfs and common folk.
On a more serious note, it sounds like a fairly typical MEPS to me. It wasn't really any different when I joined in '99, except the whole emptying your pockets to get in business. But, then again, I'm Enlisted, so I expected less than 5 star accomidations.
What did you expect it to be?Obviously you were expecting the red carpet treatment.As for the 17 year olds not all of us are like that.
I do agree that the blood station seems to never have fully trained people there all the time.I was the the first person for some new trainee there.Took 10 minutes to get my blood.Thought I was crazy for watching as well.
Sounds pretty regular. I processed through MEPS as an OTS applicant (took the AFOQT there and got my physical and an inspect...all as an OTS applicant). I was never told I'd get "red carpet" treatment; though I did get my own room at the MEPS hotel...all OTS applicants did. I never really cared though; I figure I'm still a newb just like most of the other people processing there.
Just because you are cleared to go to MEPS, doesn't mean you still can't be DQ'ed at MEPS. I have no clue what you were DQ'ed for.
You must have some idea as to why you were DQ'ed, if you were aware of them having to review your medical record and clear you for processing prior to going to MEPS.
This is a great account of your experience at MEPS though and should hopefully help those who haven't yet been, understand what to expect.
What type of officer do you hope to commission as? (medical, lawyer...etc.?)
My recruiter called me today and said MEPS made a big mistake and shouldn't have sent me home. I go back next week to finish the medical. Way to go, MEPS!
Originally posted by lettherobotdoit: My recruiter called me today and said MEPS made a big mistake and shouldn't have sent me home. I go back next week to finish the medical. Way to go, MEPS!
s2bt: I'm trying to enter as a medical officer.
Right on. You'll be prescribing Motrin 800 and Robitussin as a cure all in no time.
Originally posted by gmcneill: You sound like you expect to have you arse smootched everywhere you go. Typical of a lot of Doctors.
ROFL—this immature wannabee military hero wants everybody to kiss his privileged superior class butt for sure. However, he’s just the typical degree holder looking for the easy no-risk and no-hardship AF welfare check as an AFCS 43YX (health physicist).
BTW he also only wants to serve 2 years. Read his other posts on other topic threads.
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Originally posted by lettherobotdoit:
I'm after the Air Force, and would be interested in either a two- or four-year AD commitment. Are these terms available?
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Originally posted by lettherobotdoit: I was given the initial blessing by AF senior personnel today. They said I was qualified for 43Y3.
Here's a new issue: I almost rescinded my application with the AF because of the long delay, and I'm knee-deep in the application process with the navy (they already gave their blessing). What does one do in this circumstance? The issue now is seeing if either branch awards credit for work experience--one or both branches might not consider my four years work in the field. Anyone care to chime in? There was a post challenging the ethics of pursuing two services at once, and this is a concern.
Originally posted by gmcneill: You sound like you expect to have you arse smootched everywhere you go. Typical of a lot of Doctors.
MEPS was a unique experience for me. Sorry if I came across conceited or ungrateful.
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ROFL—this immature wannabee military hero wants everybody to kiss his privileged superior class butt for sure. However, he’s just the typical degree holder looking for the easy no-risk and no-hardship AF welfare check as an AFCS 43YX (health physicist).
Based on what I've read about others' MEPS experiences, I shouldn't have expected a crown and scepter--you're right. But to be told that I was approved to process, go down there, be disqualified (without being told the specific reason), and have MEPS recant the next day alludes to the administrative shortfalls this particular facility seems to have.
Originally posted by lettherobotdoit: I was disqualified for the following reason: "N5 -- Per MEPCOM N stat until recr command & MEPCOM authorize." What does this mean?
I have no idea what the 5 in status code N5 means, but the explanation means exactly what it says, MEPS cannot process until the service who established the “N” status clears it.
A status code identifies the enlistment qualification status of an individual being processed.
An “N” status indicates the applicant has been placed on administrative hold, pending resolution of a discrepancy or that additional enlistment paperwork may be required. The “N” status code is also used to identify individuals disqualified for various reasons.
The “N” statuses are established by the services, not MEPS and the services are responsible for clearing specific “N” statuses. It appears either the Air Force or the Navy put you in an N-status. The problem isn’t MEPS but the recruiting Service.
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Originally posted by lettherobotdoit: My recruiter called me today and said MEPS made a big mistake and shouldn't have sent me home. I go back next week to finish the medical. Way to go, MEPS.
Unless your recruiter can prove the Air Force Recruiting Service or the Department of the Air Force cleared the “N” status, MEPS didn’t make a mistake.
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Originally posted by lettherobotdoit: But to be told that I was approved to process, go down there, be disqualified (without being told the specific reason), and have MEPS recant the next day alludes to the administrative shortfalls this particular facility seems to have.
It’s a problem with you pertinent to documentation (transcripts, GPA, citizenship, etc) or background (morals, financial, misdemeanor/felony, DEP discharge, Entry level seperation, etc). Ask your recruiter if the N5 was cleared by Air Force Recruiting Service or Department of the Air Force before you were sent to MEPS. As far as MEPS is concerned you were not qualified to be processed for military service and thus you left in the same status you arrived-disqualified.
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MEPS was a unique experience for me. Sorry if I came across conceited or ungrateful.
I think you came across this way because you expected to be treated better than the others who were there, doing the exact same medical/physical that you were there for. It just sounded like you think you are better than others, simply because you are processing as an officer.
You also make it sound like you've been spoiled for the vast majority of your life, and that you don't want to be bothered with the slightest hindrance that comes your way.
Instead of having the attitude that the Air Force is here for you, perhaps it would help if you adjusted your own perspective to realize that the Air Force doesn't really *need* you, but that you are gracious that the Air Force is possibly going to allow you to join.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, so please don't take this post with a negative perception. I'm just trying to explain to you why you came across the wrong way, and some things to help you not come across that way in future posts.
Hopefully you get qualified soon. Best of luck to you.
Other posters drove the point home about your perceived superiority complex so I won't dwell on that, but you have to understand that MEPS stations process all types of applicants on a daily basis. What seems like an inefficient bureaucracy to you is the best way for them to handle the volume of people that come through their doors, by lumping them in together. Hopefully you can straighten out your issue and complete processing.
Other posters drove the point home about your perceived superiority complex so I won't dwell on that, but you have to understand that MEPS stations process all types of applicants on a daily basis. What seems like an inefficient bureaucracy to you is the best way for them to handle the volume of people that come through their doors, by lumping them in together. Hopefully you can straighten out your issue and complete processing.
Thanks. I'll try not to make such a big deal about it next time.
I don't think any potential candidate for the military should get the red carpet treatement at MEPS regardless of what field you're going into. There are those in the military who do get the red carpet treatment, but they had to earn it, it didn't just come.
Learn what the terms "FUBAR" and "SNAFU" are acronyms for.Then learn to get used to it because if and when you get in there will be a lot of it.
I seem to be getting a lot of it now.
My recruiter called me this evening and told me that the "N5" status would have to stay because the person who removed it didn't have the authority to remove it in the first place. Now I'm being told my case will have to be reviewed by "colonels and generals" (not the surgeon general--this is something else) in AFRS, and that my recruiter was getting HOURLY email from his recruiting squadron, MEPS, USMEPCOM, and AFRS. He said he's never seen something like this, and he's been recruiting for ten years.
Only command, AFRS has the authority to reverse the "N" status in my case, and I'll find out in a couple of days if this happens. Talk about SNAFU and FUBAR....
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Candidates for military chaplaincy, judge advocacy (lawyers), and medical professions are sometimes given special treatment in the form of "special category" processing--this means front-of-line privileges and a more personal medical consultation. Not so at this place! Capacity at this particular facility is often saturated because so many stations are undermanned, and so I had to go through the gauntlet in the same way as a freshly-minted HS grad.
Sorry to hear you had to go slumming with the rest of us serfs and common folk.
On a more serious note, it sounds like a fairly typical MEPS to me. It wasn't really any different when I joined in '99, except the whole emptying your pockets to get in business. But, then again, I'm Enlisted, so I expected less than 5 star accomidations.
I agree but I went to meps back in Feb 07. Only luckily I stayed in the hotel witch was a 4 star hotel. Very nice never was in a 4 star before. Anyway by the time you are done you feel like a processed piece of meat. After I got done my recruiter picked me up. It was the only time I as over joyed to see my recruiter. Finally a friendly face from every sour person at the MEPS station.