Can anyone give me a little bit of insight on this job? I've read the descriptions and everything, but if anyone reading this has first hand experience in this job, as well as know how hard is it to get this job guaranteed, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I am 3N0X2 which is broadcasting but I know a decent amount about these guys. We all go to the Defense Information School (DINFOS) at Ft. Meade Maryland (http://www.dinfos.dma.mil/index.asp).
If you want it you will need to get a score high enough on the ASVAB and then demand it from your recruiter. Do not let anyone on here tell you otherwise. I walked into my recruiter’s office and said I want this or I am not coming in. Granted I had to pass the voice audition and score well enough on the ASVAB. But 8 months to the day I was at basic and then to DINFOS for the job I wanted. If you get this you will take pictures at a base. Stuff like retirement ceremonies, chain of commands, and even news stuff depending upon how big the base paper is or not. Also believe it or not you are trained to take crime scene photos. So if a service member hangs themselves you may get the call to take the pictures for Security Forces. You work for the base Public Affairs office. It’s a good job. Let me know if you want to know more.
Thanks for the information!
My recruiter told me that I cant demand for this job, that thats not how it works. I could do SF but I really want to do Still Photography. I told him I don't want to have a job for 4 years, that I do not enjoy. He told me that in the last 8 years he has been a recruiter he has never sent someone to BMT with the still photography job.
My scores on the ASVAB are high enough to where I qualify for the job.
I even have enough time to wait for the job to be available. I am waiting for Monday to pay my medical bill and then my credit is cleared. Then I will be going to MEPS I believe the Monday after thanksgiving, or the Monday after that.
I told my recruiter that I will not be available to leave for BMT until April 1st. My God daughter is due in the middle of March and I will not miss her being born for anything in the world. So I have enough time to wait for the job.
Wont the military get angry if I tell them that if I don't get 3VOX2 then I wont join?
Please get back to me.
You can't worry about the military getting mad at you OR pleasing your recuiter. Remeber it's YOUR future and ultimatly no matter how nice your recuiter is, you are just a number. Nothing against recuiters but they have a job to do, fill slots. It's just business.
If you can afford to wait, hold out for the job you want.
So when I got to MEPS, and they tell you to write down 8 jobs that you are interested, I just put down 1 and argue that, thats the only job I want and I will wait until I get it?
Do I not sign the contract unless they can guarantee that I have that job after I get out of Basic? or what? How would I go about doing so?
Any info anyone can give me, it will be greatly appreciated! I just want to be prepared before I go to MEPS.
Well before I was allowed to go to meps they made me sign a statement saying that I would be open to more than one job.
Same. And its you don't pick 8 jobs.
SDykman -- here's some food for thought. Take it for what it's worth.
1) Your question has received responses from four (4) different people.
-- 2 who have yet to enter active duty and who are simply relaying their experience.
-- 2 who are currently active duty but (based upon their profiles) have had absolutely no official involement in the AF's Accession Program and therefore are only offering their opinion on what you should do.
2) The advice offered by both PSU and AirMan is legitimate and has been taken by many a prospective individual...some successful and some not so successful. If you choose to put your foot down with your recruiter and tell him 3V0X2 is the ONLY job you want and that you're not willing to accept anything else...well, that's within your purview. As they stated, it is your life mand your future. However, you should understand that your recruiter (or any other recruiter for that matter) is under no obligation (legal, moral or ethical) to accept your ultimatum. It's quite possible that your recruiter will simply tell you to pound sand. Then...what are you going to do?
It's your choice, but realize the potential results of your actions. Good luck in whatever your choice may be.
If you have the luxury of time there are many other recruiters just a phone call away
I agree with both JP and soontobe. The thing is that all Public Affairs jobs (band, broadcasting, and photo) are usually far and few between. Sometimes they also require extra work for a recruiter on top of the fact that those career fields are not in heavy demand right now. I would say call around and tell recruiters you have time to wait. There has got to be a recruiter willing to look into a 3V slot for you. Like I said I waited 8 months but it has been o so worth it. Also I PM you so email me if you like. Getting a recruiter to get you a job like this will not be easy but it is doable.
JP_Retired --- I agree with everything you said and it is true that I am not a professional recruiter, but I have been through the process more than once.
I guess my main concern for this young person is that he might be pressured into a career he might later regret. I noticed he mentioned his recruiter suggested SF and that's a LONG WAY from photography. Some people will join SF because they want it or just to get in and there is nothing wrong with that. However I have seen a lot of people sign a 4 year contract and HATE their job. That's not good for the Air Force OR the Airman.
To be clear; Once you sign, you sign and you better be comfortable with your decision. YOU have to live with that decision, not the recruiter.
ok, so, I just talked to my recruiter and I told him him, that Still Photography is the only job I want and that I will wait as long as it takes to get it. He told me that "we cant help you". He said we could wait years for that job to be open.
So, now what?
I mean I have wanted to join the Air Force since I was 14 years old. I don't want to end up with a job that I don't want. I only want Still Photography. Do I go to MEPS and tell them that and just not sign a contract? I dont know what to do...
OK I talked to a recruiter and he told me "the Air Force is not going to sit around and wait for you to wait." He also said to list 5 jobs at MEPS and put Photo as number 1. But to increase your chances put all Public Affairs jobs. So your list may look like this:
1. 3V0X2 - Photo
2. 3N0X2 – Broadcasting * (requires you to pass a voice audition)
3. 3N0X1 – Public Affairs
4. 3V0X1 – Visual Information (no longer exists but I doubt MEPS knows it yet)
5. 3H0X1- Historian
Broadcasting is 43% manned, which means we need people, so talk to your recruiter about this as well. By stacking your list this way you may end up getting to go to Ft. Meade after basic and then once there may be able to finagle a switch in classes and get photo. Its rare but I have personally seen it happen. This is my advice at this time. The recruiter I talked to said unless you have a degree or heavy background in Photo you are not going to get it guaranteed. I on the other hand walked in with a BA in broadcasting and civilian experience and then passed the voice audition so it was a done deal. Hang in there and it will work out. Anyone of those jobs is awesome and enjoyable. Remember you can always cross train and especially within the Public Affairs world you may not even need to cross train; just volunteer to take pictures or do this or do that. Show initiative and things can go your way. I hope this helps.
While I'm not disagreeing with what you're suggesting here, there may be a couple of road blocks to this idea. First, I believe it's standard practice now (implemented by AF Recruiting Service) to have each prospective Airman to include at least one "Open" area in their choices. That would allow the AF to still program the individual into the system if none of their specific AFSC choices are available. Recommend Yukon or another individual with a Recruiting background verify. The second problem is the fact that both 3V0X1 and X2 have a minimum General ASVAB requirement of 44. 3H0X1, 3N0X1, and 3N0X2 all require a 72 in General. SDykman may not have that score..if she does -- great. And finally, the four additional AFSCs you recommended (actually 3, since Vis Info is gone) are in the same boat as Still Photo, their annual accessions are EXTREMELY limited. From a Recruiter's perspective, this person is not being flexible enough by listing only these specialties. The liklihood of her getting one of these is slim to none, so why should I (as a Recruiter) work that hard to assist.
Current manning within an AFSC is irrelevant to a Recruiter. The only thing that matters is the Trained Personnel Requirement (TPR) (annual accessions) for that AFSC.
Rare is the best word to use for this scenario. The individual can't fanagle the change, it has to be requested at the schoolhouse and then agreed upon by AETC, AFPC, and the AF Career Field Manager. What you are suggesting requires a change to programmed training and affects the entire training pipeline. That's why it requires the high level coordination and concurrence. When this happens, and it is a very rare occurrence, it is a result of unique/unforseen circumstances that only a handful of people are aware of.
Under CAREERS, yes, she can retrain when eligible. However, there's no guarantee that she can retrain into Still Photo. And as a Career Airman, not only does there have to be retraining-in slots available, but her current AFSC must allow retraining-out as well.
Absolutely GREAT advice. I believe I can probably count the number of active duty photographers I've see in the last 20 yrs. That's how few there have been. Most of the folks are civilians (Civil Service or Contractors). I've even known a few who did it part time as volunteers because they got photo lab access for free. They loved the old fashion film development aspect. Today though, with virtually everything being digital, the "skill and art" of photography isn't as great (at least that's how it was described to me).
JP, as usual, gives great advice and insight. Please let us know how you proceed.
Great advice but don't take this the wrong way. Doing so will not help you get cross train into the a different career...Like JP pointed out, you need to be able to cross-train out of your current career and find an open slot to fill...Outstanding photography skills won't suddenly "open" a new photography slot.
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