I'm currently at Keesler AFB, as a client systems apprentice. I know that the airforce is no longer reclassifying airmen who fail tech school due to budget restraints. I already failed one block test and am not feeling too confident on my next upcoming test. Before you assume things, I do study about 2 hours a day. I just can't grasp anything about the job. I'm not computer savvy.I know that if you fail two block tests you get discharged.
I am preparing for the worst and would like some information on what type of discharge I would get, how it would affect me in the civilian world and how long it would take for me to get processed out?
I won't even adress your concern with type of discharge. I will however encourage you to get with your instructors. I will preface this with the fact I was an AETC instructor for four years. Now to the point. They are there to help you. This isn't basic training anymore where they play games to train you. They are subject matter experts in thier/your AFSC, and have a wealth of kowlege you can harness. Speak to the lead instructor and tell him your concerns about training and ask for additional help. They will provide this to you I promise. If they are worth their weight in salt, they should be eager to help.
Don't think of failure now. Put yourself in succeed mode. Besides eating and sleeping, there is nothing else you need to do in life right now except pass this next test. But please go to them for extra help.
Not passing or barely passing a test isn't what is important in your Air Force career however. You need to know your job, not just pass the test. This isn't American History, folks lives depend on every Airman knowing his job. You can break it down however you like, but get help to learn this.
Just go straight to your commander now to get the answers to those questions and demand a discharge ASAP or get completely refocused to salvage what you have.
Do not give up!
Anyone can fail, dig deep to fight obvious urge to throw in the towel so easily.
Be proactive not reactive.
This is your career to fight for or just give up on. Lead your own gallant charge to retake some initiative.
You did what it took to get in and stay in military thus far. You graduated basic training which no doubt offered you some new challenges, but you succeeded.
Do not get defeated so quickly by every setback instead build on each and every small success.
You’re already thinking about and misdirecting valuable time or effort planning your post AF exploits before giving your all to save what you already have.
Get your mind in the game!
Technical training is proving to be your nemesis at the moment, so what is your battle plan?
No mention of any group study with peers or seeking out a trusted battle buddy fellow student that could help you connect the difficult course dots better. Sounds like you may already be past this stage of self aid.
Military training instructors and leaders worth their salt will do what they can to guide and aid a motivated and willing trainee to succeed to maximum extent possible.
No mention of any progress from mandated remedial actions or formal counseling.
What feedback and follow-up have you directly added to maturely find solutions not excuses to this dilemma?
Have you face to face interacted with and exhausted all potential of teaching staff, MTLs, and chain of command to focus on getting to the bottom of your difficulty?
Go on the offensive to keep yourself in this fight and scrape through each lesson block by a whisker if that’s what it takes.
Give your instructors, MTLs, the “system”, and most importantly yourself more reasons to keep and work with you to stay in the AF than unceremoniously throw you out on scrap heap.
Time to expose all your hidden potential and serious determination is now!
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All great advice given above...don't give up on yourself this early in the game..other's have been where you're at and have made it through their tech school's...by the way if it's been less than 6 months since you went to basic it would be and entry level sep, than after that a general
It's not true that the Air Force isn't reclassing anyone, one of the girls I went through aircrew fundies with just got reclassed after failing out of Arabic at DLI. What is is important is that you show the interest in contiuning an Air Force career. Good, motivated Airmen are hard to find, so showing that you want to stay (I'm assuming you do) will go a long way into pushing for a reclass rather than a separation. You can do that by going to your instructors and asking for help, as was stated before, going to any prior service in your class and asking for help, and going to the other pipeline students who are doing well and asking for help. Also don't hesitate to ask the MTLs, some of mine were willing to let me out of certain things, like GI parties or one PT session a week (provided I still met the standards) to study with a tutor. The worst any of them can do is say no, but at least you got your face and name in front of them, that way if the worst does come to pass and your commander has to decide to press for retraining or separation you'll have a lot of people to back you up in saying you put out a great effort in trying to make it through. Your commander doesn't know you personally, so he is going to rely on those people for some input, and more often than not I saw the commanders of both squadrons at DLI follow the reccomendations of the instructors and MTLs. My last piece of advice is document every single second you study, paper trails are a huge bonus in your corner with anything you do in the military. It took me a $2000 debt to finance to figure that one out. Write down who you talk with, when, and what they said and you'll always be better off.
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depends on your ASVAB and if the instructors/training cmdr think your worth keeping around and "retrainable" they ask your student leaders,etc as well..make sure your attending study groups and not some booboo the fool party person on your off time.
Agree 100% with the above post. I wish they would ban Xbox and Playstations from tech school training. I lost several students to those as well.
If you have any ASVAB Component score under 55 it is basically an automatic discharge. If you have all scores over 55 they MAY give you another shot- it depends. Priority goes to battlefield airman and linguists. Linguist school is notoriously hard and long, and they've already started or nearly completed TS clearances.
Late reply here, but this kind of touches on a situation I was in.
I was in the Air Force, fresh out of Basic and going to tech school at Shepherd AFB in 1977. I selected Computers as my field of training, but no classes were available at the time, so I was on base duty for 2 or so months. MI was told by my squadron commander that I had been "idle" (not training) too long and I had to take SOMETHING., so they put me in Communications...which required Computers as a per-requisite. I was utterly lost on the block tests (not being too familiar with dos-like Command-line code entry at the time) and failed twice, and was given a "general" discharge, which I heard from other airmen would become an Honorable discharge after 5 years (that didn't and still doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever). So disenchanted I was with the experience I didn't even take the discharge packet to...well, wherever I was supposed to take it to. I just got a job, started working and never looked back. I'm starting to wonder if I was shafted on the class I was placed in, and my parents are wondering about the condition of my discharge. When my dad was in the Air Force (I forget the years, but it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis), we was told by his TI's that upon completing basic training he would be considered a veteran, and he thinks the same should be true for me. I keep telling him that things have changed drastically, from degradation of training on down, but he doesn't believe me at all.
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You need 180 days of service and an honorable discharge for most benefits.
Okay...is that post-Tech-School service? I was in from July 27 until either Nov14 or Nov23...I can't remember which, but I definitely had a birthday while in Tech School (Nov 7), when I turned 21, and everybody on my floor was like "Great, he's legal, let's get him wasted!!...uh, he's buying, of course."
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180 Days would be January 28th. That is 6 months.
Ah, I see. Thanks!
They weren't reclassifying airman when i went through as well, but it still happened. There are alot of jobs out there that you might just happen to be good at and it doesn't save much money to kick you out and have to send someone through basic training all over again. But like others said I would get with your instructors. Plenty of people go through what your going through. Things start out hard but they get better and easier.
I hope went well!
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