How do these shore based support units work? Do you get sent to a cutter when they go out? Don't they visit other units? If you go out to fix something on a cutter thats afloat, do you get sea time?

ESU's work for MLC's, ESD's work for ESU's and ESDD's usualy work for and ESD. There is no sea time for being assigned to these units. If you are at an ESU or ESD and a Cutter requests an emergency fill for a technician and your supervisor feels they can let go go for 30-60 days then you can get a month or two of sea time.

Awesome, I heard it's hard to get a cutter out of A-school right now. I'd like to get on a 110 or something but I wouldn't mind an ESD if I can get to go out to a cutter once in a while to get the sea time.

What you have heard and what is reality are probably two different things. Don't expect the ESD to allow you to go TAD a whole lot. I'm not going to say that ESD life is tough but they are definately not overbilleted. Usually. If an ESD is your choice and you want a chance to go TAD, I would reccomend trying to get an ESD that is located close to it's ESU. ESD Portsmouth and ESD Boston are probably two of the best examples since they are located close to the 270's. There is a lot to learn at an ESD that can help you when you do go to a cutter. Good luck with your pick.

Now that the FT rating has been combined with the ET rating how many are assigned to 378's?

CW0-1 (FT/ET/TT/IT/ST type)
E7-2
E6-2 (legacy ET role)
E5/E4-9 (4 fill the legacy FT role)

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Awesome, I heard it's hard to get a cutter out of A-school right now. I'd like to get on a 110 or something but I wouldn't mind an ESD if I can get to go out to a cutter once in a while to get the sea time.

That is mighty nice of you!

Just a heads up, when you report TAD tell the bellhop at the check-in desk (they'll call it a Quarterdeck) to take your bags to the cabin. Make sure to speak slowly when you say the cabin. The hired help you get these days leave a lot to be desired.

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The CWO isn't over the FT type. They got a JO.

Depends on the 378 I guess. On Chase they put the Weapons ET's under the EMO.

Wierd how this isn't standard yet?

Having the EMO over the Wep's ET must have it's drawbacks due to the interaction needed with the GM's and WEPS.

ETu, the only way it would become standard is if all the CO's of a class agree to it. No operational commander is going to dictate in policy how a CO will set up his or her chain of command.

Now someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think there was not much change billet-wise on 378s. Prior to JRR you had an FTC, two FT2 and three FT3. I think all the pre-JRR legacy ET billets are still there, so basically they just changed the rate names on the PAL.

For officers, prior to JRR there was a LT for weapons department, under that was a CWO BOSN as 1st lieutenant, an ENS for gunnery officer, and another ENS for fire control officer (FCO - say the acronym as a word, it's fun ). There was an CWO ELC as EMO in ops department.

I know we are all ET's now, but I don't see a problem with keeping the divo assignments the way they were before. MK's have been doing it for a long time on 270's, i.e. main prop has MKC that works for a CWO (MPA) and a-gang has MKC that works for an ENS (student engineer).

VnavAT,

Something to keep in mind...there is a sea time requirement for advancement as an ET. I have seen a few folks slowed down in advancing because of this. Push for a cutter early and often. BTW there are very few (if any) ETs assigned to 110' WPBs, and those jobs went to ET2s. I like the 378 or new NSC for exposure to a lot of different systems.

Any questions send me an email, I am in Global.

Phil

xnav,

The primary role of an ESU/ESD is to provide technical support for all the afloat and shore units in their area of responsibility... Basically you are the primary ET's for all ashore/afloat units without ET's... As far as larger cutters with ET's stationed on them, you're their point of contact while underway for sending them parts, etc. when their gear breaks down... When they're in port, unless it's an emergency, the ET's on the boats handle their own for the most part...

On a cutter, the ET shop is responsible for maintaining and repairing their own gear... If you need help, you call your local ESU/ESD for support... If you're in the middle of nowhere, they'll ship you the parts you need to the nearest port..

As far as what's available out of 'A' School... It's a coin toss... I've seen classes get a half-dozen boats in one shot and I've seen classes get one boat or maybe a couple of MK92 school billets to continue to a 378' WHEC or 270' WMEC after their school... You will not get a 110' WPB out of 'A' School... The only WPB's I know of that have ET's on them are a handful in remote areas of Alaska, and I'm pretty sure the 6 WPB's in the Bahrain area have them on board as well... It's an independent duty billet, so you'll have to be an ET2/ET1 to get that...

You need a year of rated or non-rated sea time to make ET1 and two years of rated sea time to make ETC, so I would highly recommend that you study your tail off in 'A' School if ET is the route you take... The pick order of available billets offered to your class is heavily weighted toward your grades... So every test and troubleshoot, from the first to the last, decide if you get the sea time to make ET1/ETC or if you're stuck with back to back land tours as an ET2...

Let me know if you need any more info... You can look me up in global or post here, I check daily...

ET3 Sends...

Wrong Wrong Wrong!

The primary job of an ESU is to second-guess what all is going on with a "cutter underway".


The second job is to bus drive the shop when the techs aren't there by "visiting" the CO after the techs have gone for the day.

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Wrong Wrong Wrong!

The primary job of an ESU is to second-guess what all is going on with a "cutter underway".

The second job is to bus drive the shop when the techs aren't there by "visiting" the CO after the techs have gone for the day.

1. I'm not one to second-guess the techs on the cutters... They're there, it's their problem, and it's their hind-end if they can't fix their gear... I'm just there to make sure they have all the tools they need...

2. I don't know where you're coming from on that one... I've yet to meet a CO who stays at the shop after the techs have gone for the day...