Does anybody have infomation or think that with the Loran's being done away with, how this can effect the Nov.08 SWE cutoffs or how it might effect the ET rate alone? Just curious.
Thanks for your input. I've been an ET for 9yrs and haven't had the pleasure of working with Loran. I was just curious about that many ET billets dropping and how that would effect the ET billet structure and what do you do with this many ETs now. But no worries until 2010 like you said and that's if they do away with it. Thanks.
When the DOD dropped the requirement for Loran in the Hawaii, the Med and the Far East, the ET's lost a total of about 80 billets. It took at least 5 years to attrit that many billets. This occurred in the early 90s.
For a point of reference, there were a total of thirteen stations shut down. There were support billets also cut because there was no need for them. Each station had approximately five ETs.
When you do the calculations of how many people are in the program, don't forget the support billets at Baltimore, LSU, and various other places.
The demise of Loran-C has been discussed for well over thirty years. Did you know that GPS recently celebrated it's 30th birthday?
It took them over 10 years to turn off Loran-A. From my prospective, here's what happened when the talk of Loran-A was shutdown. First, the maintenance funds were reduced. This caused the unit to stop caring about maintainence. In one particular case, it caused HQ to order 40 wiring harnesses be constructed for a 1 MW amplifier, because if one unit is having this problem, so will alot of others. Well, we built 40 wiring harnesses. two were withdrawn by one unit. Five years later, Loran-A shutdown.
Personally, I blame the laziness of the crew that caused the construction of those 40 wiring harnesses.
I blame HQ for the attitude of "why maintain it, we're shutting them down" and allowing that attitude to filter to the crews.
That was just another emperical piece of the pie that help enforce my attitudes towards doing preventive maintenance as the primary support issue for my units.
The March ET force notes spells it all out, It says for the year following the shutdown there will be an 80% decrease in advancements for E-5,E-6,E-7, and ELC. E-8 advancements will decrease by 90%. I believe that it will have a longer lasting effect then that, and I am happy as hell that I made the cut for Chief because It wouldn't suprise me at all if they dont advance many people for a while in preperation for this.
Thank you, that is more or less what I am epecting to hear. I am at a C school right now and I don't have accesst to the March ET force notes. Thank you, I will read up on it.
80 percent reduction in advancments. Putting it in prospective means is if your use to 50 people being advanced, expect only 10. Expect those type of results for enough SWE cycles to attrit the excess billets.
I would urge everyone to study harder than they ever have for the SWE in November and May. Try to get ahead of the pack so you can maximize your chances of advancing.
Originally posted by TWEKER1: The March ET force notes spells it all out, It says for the year following the shutdown there will be an 80% decrease in advancements for E-5,E-6,E-7, and ELC. E-8 advancements will decrease by 90%.
ET1, Where did you see the March Force Notes? Both locations I link to still show Feb's
Originally posted by JoeJester: When the DOD dropped the requirement for Loran in the Hawaii, the Med and the Far East, the ET's lost a total of about 80 billets. It took at least 5 years to attrit that many billets. This occurred in the early 90s.
For a point of reference, there were a total of thirteen stations shut down. There were support billets also cut because there was no need for them. Each station had approximately five ETs.
When you do the calculations of how many people are in the program, don't forget the support billets at Baltimore, LSU, and various other places.
The demise of Loran-C has been discussed for well over thirty years. Did you know that GPS recently celebrated it's 30th birthday?
It took them over 10 years to turn off Loran-A. From my prospective, here's what happened when the talk of Loran-A was shutdown. First, the maintenance funds were reduced. This caused the unit to stop caring about maintainence. In one particular case, it caused HQ to order 40 wiring harnesses be constructed for a 1 MW amplifier, because if one unit is having this problem, so will alot of others. Well, we built 40 wiring harnesses. two were withdrawn by one unit. Five years later, Loran-A shutdown.
Personally, I blame the laziness of the crew that caused the construction of those 40 wiring harnesses.
I blame HQ for the attitude of "why maintain it, we're shutting them down" and allowing that attitude to filter to the crews.
That was just another emperical piece of the pie that help enforce my attitudes towards doing preventive maintenance as the primary support issue for my units.
And the rating had to absord the loss of the ST rating as well in 92.
Lets not forget that controversial jamming session that occurred a couple of years back in San Diego demonstrating the corruptability of GPS. I believe LORAN-C was the only nav system left up and running...
Originally posted by irenemichelle: Lets not forget that controversial jamming session that occurred a couple of years back in San Diego demonstrating the corruptability of GPS. I believe LORAN-C was the only nav system left up and running...
Let's also not forget that China a couple years ago launched a missile and destroyed one of their own GPS Satellites to show they could do it. No GPS Satelltes means no GPS Navigation. That was enough to stop a LORAN shut down then. I wonder what's changed since then to say "Ok, yes, let's shut it down anyway."
I guess when war breaks out, we'll just go back to using Sextants. LOL.
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