Has anyone on this site used Carbon Tetrachloride for cleaning Electronic Equipment or know of its use in the CG prior to the Coast Guard banning the use of this chemical? If so are you having any signs of Pulmonary Hypertension? Do you know of anyone who may have died from cirrhosis of the liver after exposure to Carbon Tetrachloride?
Over the last twenty years or so I have been gradually showing many signs of Pulmonary Hypertension. My signs have crept in so slowly that I never associated it with possible exposure to Carbon Tetrachloride Despite. Every Doctor I’ve dealt with has been stymied as to why my symptoms have gradually crept in over time. Pulmonary Hypertension normally happens quickly and becomes so serious that it becomes life threatening. It can normally be related to some type of airborne exposure i.e. cigarette smoking. But never have I been questioned about possible exposure to Carbon Tetrachloride.
I believe I may have found my missing link to my cause of Pulmonary Hypertension. Exposure to secondary cigarette smoke may be what aggravates a dormant exposure of Carbon Tetrachloride to delayed Pulmonary Hypertension.
The VA rates Pulmonary Hypertension at 100%. I now must find a way to document my use after the fact. The use of Carbon Tetrachloride was banned by the CG after the Navy banned its use and approximately twenty years later by the EPA.
The more I read and understand what I’m going through the more I realize that if I had been a moderate alcohol drinker during my exposure to Carbon Tetrachloride and/or been a cigarette smoker than, or later, that chances are, I would most likely be dead right now.
I was searching for all the symptoms of Pulmonary Hypertension and noted several sites that mentioned a relationship with Carbon Tetrachloride and Pulmonary Hypertension. I was surprised when I came across this and was reminded of the heavy exposure I had to Carbon Tetrachloride. Now I’m forced to back pedal my exposure for the VA so that I can show that my Pulmonary Hypertension as service related from exposure to Carbon Tetrachloride
I can’t help wonder how many CG members from my era who may have died from cirrhosis of the Liver or Pulmonary Hypertension
You can search “Carbon Tetrachloride & Pulmonary Hypertension” and see so many correlations where Carbon Tetrachloride has been linked to Delayed Pulmonary Hypertension.
This may be another example were documenting any chemical exposure (no matter how benign) while on active duty may benefit the member years down the road.
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Idiopathic pulmonary hypertension
When an underlying cause for high blood pressure in the lungs can't be found, the condition is called idiopathic pulmonary hypertension (IPH).
Some people with IPH may have a gene that's a risk factor for developing pulmonary hypertension. But in most people with idiopathic pulmonary hypertension, there is no recognized cause of their pulmonary hypertension.
I have looked at the articles. In order to have a relationship, you must have severe liver damage. Do you have liver damage?
Also, pulmonary edema that is sometimes mentioned is very different than pulmonary hypertension - that is swelling from trapped fluid in the body tissues, in this case the lungs.
My liver is great shape. All my liver functions levels are well within the normal range. Carbon Tetrachloride exposure can cause both liver and kidney problems but given time these organs are able to repair themselves. I seldom ever drink the only thing I do that aggravates my liver is some of my pain medication has Tylenol (acetaminophen) mixed with hydracodone which can be very hard on the liver.
The VA has already rated me at 90%. I just wonder why I became so allergic to secondary cigarette smoke after I used Carbon Tetrachloride for almost three years. If I get anywhere near a smoker who is smoking my sinus and lungs start reacting immediately and I end up with a sinus infection. The last time this happened to me I was in line outside a movie theater and some smokers outside the building were smoking...a couple days later I'm facing my doctor with another infection.
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When I do the math I end up with 80%, I've asked the VA how they got 90% with the above numbers and they told me one or more numbers were combined as closely related. I believe they added the two DDD (30% + 20% = 50%) together to arrive at 90%, they would not say. I'm not arguing with their math. I would need another rating of 70% or more to take me that last 90% to 100%. However Pulmonary Hypertension can be rated at 100% but I suspect they would only rate me at 60%. I'm convinced that if I try to claim Pulmonary Hypertension as service related that I will still only be rated at 90% as 60% is not enough.
We used carbon tet every day cleaning electronic parts and filters for the radio transmitters and recievers at the Radar site I was assigned to in Neah Bay, Wa. We had a huge degreaser bin, to load the filters in, then remove and use a compressor to blow the equipment dry with. This would then arosolize the drops of carbon tet, making them even more soluable when breathed in. (1964 thru 1967 time frame). I was having to report on a daily basis to the medics to get help for resperatory problems, they would give me a shot of adrenilin to speed up my metabolism to get it out of my system, then give me a shot of something else to bring my heart rate down.
I have not been able to prove to the V.A. that I was exposed to carbon tet, so they have denied my claim for illness now.
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You would have to find an old Electronics Manual, CG-165 or maybe some old Technical Manuals specific to the equipment, something that recommended or directed the use of CARBON TETRACHLORIDE.
The Electronics Manual, CIM 10550.25A, promulgated 31 Jul 2002, specifically prohibites CARBON TETRACHLORIDE.
The Electronics Manual, CIM 10550.25B, promulgated May 2007, does not mention CARBON TETRACHLORIDE.
I haven't found a CIM10550.25 yet or CG-165-1 or CG-165-2. CG-165-3 pertains to loran and it's available on the loran-history.info website.
In the early 70's as an Armor maintenance officer in Germany I was up to my elbows in carbon tet every day. We used it as a solvent to clean parts and weapons. One year into my three year tour I started having breathing issues which required me to be Medeevaced to the Brook Army Hospital where I spent six months as the doctors tried to find out why a West Point graduate and athlete was suddenly having these kind of issues. Now in my 60's I continue to have unexplained lung problems. I have been to National Jewish and the Mayo with no help. The VA has awarded me a 60% disability, but it does not begin to off set my health costs. If as you explore this issue you find anything I would appreciate a heads up. If you ever want to talk you can call me at 513-231-8711. Good luck and God speed.
I've exhausted the lung issue with the VA. It appears that the sinus can cause many symptoms that effect the lungs. During the process they found small objects in my lungs that may have come from asbestos exposure. When I was in Thailand we shut Loran C down and broke those transmitters apart and shipped them back to the US. I spent a lot of time on top in an area that had quit a lot of asbestos without any thought of what it could do in my future. I have a follow-up x-ray where I drink some type of dye and they do another CT scan of my lungs Monday.
Ironically my VA Dr can't get me a ENT referral even though I am rated in several places for ENT. I now believe there is some type of flag in the VA system that has gone off preventing my Dr from making the referral. I have a CPAP and its beginning rating is 50% and the VA in Little Rock was sued and lost to a vet who sued to have his CPAP therapy rated as secondary to his previous sinus ratings. My service health record was 3/4 full of sinus problems. It is like if they see one of my sinus ratings increase than they have to make the CPAP a secondary to the sinus and 50% of the last 10% of what I have remaining would take my 90% rating me to 100%. So it is like some bean counter has set a flag preventing my VA Dr from getting me a referral to an ENT because this would change my overall rating to 100%.
Lately I've been on two nasel sprays and Allegra-D. But the VA stopped refilling my Allegra-D because they tell me it is manufactured in India and they can't use drugs manufactured overseas. Allegra-D is OTC but extremely hard to get here in Arkansas because the D part is restricted because it is a primary ingredient needed to make Crystal Meth. My VA primary Dr can't prescribe sudafed (the D portion) without an ENT release. I now an fighting a sinus infection that has brought back the lung gurgling, the swelling of both feet and extreme pain in my lower back. I had to go to the VA ER for sudafed and renewal of my Norco 10/325. I hate taking Norco and the will not want me on Norco for long. My previous Norco prescription was for 30 pills twenty=six months ago and I still had three to show my Dr in the ER. I don't abuse the pain meds I fight not taking them 27 pills in 26 months is not an indication of abuse. The Norco refill will last me another couple years but the sudafed is a short prescription with a request for my primary Dr to have an ENT see me. When I go in for my CT-Scan I will do a walk in and see my primary Dr. requesting a ENT referral. My Dr has showed me that every time she makes a ENT referral the system rejects the referral. I'm rated class 1 and have ENT ratings and I can't figure why this is happening. Except for what appears to be a flag in their system preventing me from seeing and ENT. If they do not see it then they can't change my rating. But it looks like the dominoes are falling forcing them to see an ENT. I see one on the outside and for the life of me I can't see why it is so hard to get a referral inside except for the fact that the VA has been providing me a CPAP and if their ENT see's what an outside ENT sees than they will have to kick my 90% up to 100% and that is a little over a thousand dollar monthly increase and the VA does not want that to happen.
100% opens many doors that are closed to me right now and they are so resistant to making that change. But I don't think they can prevent it much longer despite what they try. I will know for sure in a couple weeks...
You can ask any organisational or direct support mechanic stationed in germany from the late 60's to the mid 70's, Did you use carbon tet and the over whelming answer will be,, hell ya it was the best parts cleaner they ever saw,, We used it first off to clean all our new parts such as, pressure plates, fly wheels, ring gear, gears, bearing ect, It seemed some **** head back state side loved and i mean LOVED cosmolen. Carbon tet was the best thing for cleaning off the residue after scarping off what you could,, The folks in arms room also used it to clean all the new parts for weapons. This was from the late 60's to the early 70's, All of a sudden it was the worse thing ever and had to be disposed of accordingly.
But unfortunately those of us who used it such as me for four+ years, parts washing, washing our hands in it in a field environment, sin loy.. This was at marrel barricks in nuremberg and boblingen near stutgart, and then back state side at Ft Riley kansas, Another use for it was to clean out bell housings before assembly, brakes and axels, engine assy's and the list goes on,, I would be really surprised if the aviation hadn't used it. I remember a few of my friends in the cav unit *****ing about it too.
Another thing was the cherry juice we used in hydraulic systems, in m60 tanks hyd and tranny fluids to include apc's, and self propelled howitzers. I remember going into a m60 with a ruptured hyd line, the system had been shut down but the mist was still in the air, didn't realize it until we got down in the turret and turned on the lights. Then about the mid 70's again we find out it was full of carcinogens and it was quickly replaced.
Throw in the clutch dust and brake jobs we did all had asbestos in it, this one was kind of slow coming around but it was recommended using a dust mask.. but about the mid 70's they started coming out with clutch disc's made with ceramic pads, and got away from the linings style. Brakes were made out of a different material but the dust from these really stunk so we used mask's and a face sheild.
NOW,, Asbestos,, DONT let anyone pull your chain when ya hear we didn't use it.. again from the late 60's to the mid 70's asbestos was used on the following..
heat sheilds on track vehicles
exhaust wrapping on apc's and other track vehicles.
engine sheild covers. track vehicles
clutch and brake linies, from 1/4tons up to 10tons.
Hell throw in the barrel change kit for the m60 machine gun,, remember the glove used to prevent burning your hands..
Next thing,, Thorium fluoride this came out later BUT once again the warning and caution notes was late getting to the troops,, I am sure you all remember the little updates you got and had to add to your maintenace manuals.. Thorium was used to help and enhance the return capabilities of the laser range finding systems. it was a cover over the sighting systems and had to be cleaned from time to time,, Once again not knowing we used rags to wipe and clean these sights and put it in our back pocket when done.. We had a few folks end up with a rash on their ass and on their hands, Wasn't bad but it was a result of the thorium fluoride on the lenses as we later found out.
I myself have experienced breathing problems and now on oxygen,, be it asbestos, chemicals, or smoking or a combination, Who knows i have brought this up to the va and as you might guess heated discussions soon evolved. But i am still fighting it and will continue.. nothing ****es me off any worse then to have some ****** head who wasn't even born yet. tell me they didn't have asbestos, the oils and chems used were environmentally and user friendly.
Take care guys
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