Can you use both???? Can you have Voc Rehab pay your tuition and then use your GI Bill money for day to day living?
They are both administered by the VA.
You can only use one.GI Bill gives you 36 months of entitlement, Voc Rehab gives 48 months but whatever you may have used on GI Bill goes against your months on Voc Rehab. Maximum months you can get from Voc Rehab is 50 months if approved by Regional Office.
New GI Bill is very similar to the Voc Rehab, so much that I would chose GI Bill over Voc Rehab.
I would use Voc Rehab over GI Bill because it gives you much better benefits. Check with your VSO and he can brief you on the difference and simularities of both.
Voc Rehab: pays for tuition and fees directly to school
New GI Bill: will pay tuition and fees directly to school
Voc Rehab: pays monthly allowance to veteran starting at $515 single rate up to $800 plus, with spouse and children.
New GI Bill: will pay veteran a monthly allowance (housing allowance) equal to that of active duty E5 with dependent, maximum of $1100 per month.
Voc Rehab: pays for books and supplies, dollar for dollar. no more no less but not paid to veteran, paid at the school book store.
New GI Bill: will pay to veteran $1000 for books and supplies once each year. Regardless of actual costs of books and supplies.
New GI Bill: can pay one time $500 relocation allowance
Voc Rehab: do not think they have such allowance for relocation
Voc Rehab: you sign a contract. Degree plan has to be approved by VA VR&E rep.
New GI Bill: no contract and no degree plan approval needed.
These are the major perks for each program. I think New GI Bill wins over. Plus the regional VR&E rep is against the the New GI BIll and contacted their senator prior to the bill passing, hmmm wonder why? Job security.
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The new GI bill does not take effect for a year.
I know this. August 1, 2009 to be exact. Also know not everyone will be eligible. Must have served at least 90 days after 9-11 to even get a partial beneift. 3 years to get full benefit.
But none the less, it will be great a benefit that equals or passes Voc Rehab program.
Just to correct what free agent said at the end, you most certainly have to have a degree plan and the courses you take must be part of that degree plan. It's got me in a bind because i'm running out of classes. As far as a contract, idk, but you sign something saying that if your gpa is below 2 for 2 consecutive semesters then they're going to recoup the second semester (or maybe w/hold payment for the next, and not pay till it's above 2) I got back over 2 in the second semester so i'm ok. I'm fuzzy on Voc Reh. I have 15 mo. of my GI BILL left and not really anywhere near a degree. I need to start looking at more of these voc rehab threads.
And to everyone who thinks this new GI Bill is great. Here's my example. I get paid full time $ 1320.00 a month while i'm in school using my GI BILL. I go to school at Fayetteville Tech and books & tuition for a 16 week semester are about $700. Then I get my 1320 the whole semester. When I go to AR and began classes at University of Arkansas Fort Smith, I'll only be getting $806 oppposed to $1320($514 a month) that I get here. I know the new one pays tuition but the tuition won't be that expensive and with the extra 514 a month i'll come out on top. If i'm wrong please let me know, I was just recently rated at 70% so I have no idea about VOC REHAB. Then the benefits overlapping between GI BILL/NEW GI BILL/VOC REHAB. IDK, that's just my situiation so it looks like the old GI Bill will be best for me. Agreed?
These are just my experiences and I am certainly sorry if you feel like i'm highjacking your thread.
Thanks for all your help.
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Hey redline.. go to school and become a lawyer that specialises in VA law. We all need ya!!!!
I forgot to mention voc rehab will pay for your school if your 70% after you use up your GI bill
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They paid for mine when I was 30%. I had used only a small portion of my GI bill.
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Former U.S. Army, SGT (Combat Infantry)
You can't simultaneously recieve benefits under Chapter 30 (G.I. Bill) and Chapter 31 (Vocational Rehabilitation and Employment). recieving both will result in an overpayment of benefits and the VA will create a debt which the veteran will generally have to remit.
Not a good thing.
You may want to use your G.I. Bill beneifts and then switch to Voc Rehab. However, the prior post is absolutely correct, you will need a vocational plan in order to be accepted, this is in addition to consideration of your SC'd disabilities (20% or more) and their effect on your current employment.
***A 10% SC'd veteran may be considered if the disbility presents a severe employment handicap.***
Please forgive me if I am repeating...I did some research before posting and didnt find my answers. I have been watching on the news some soldiers are having a very hard time actually getting the money from the new GIBill...the school isnt getting its money in time...making it a long process. Is this so for others? What as far as time should we expect? How do you go about getting the GIBill process started? Also, I have been told you can designate some of the GIBill to your children as well as spouse??? If so when do you actually designate an amount? Thanks any help is always appreciated...
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1. Alot of your questions have all ready been answered in the Education Forums here: http://forums.military.com/eve...cfrm/f/1410038132001
2. You may only transfer your benefits to spouse/children while you are on active duty starting 1 Aug 09 - if your a veteran - no transfer.
3. Because of the manual process involved in the new Post 9/11 GI Bill - payments for all of the VA Education Programs is taking longer than normal. As they bring the new automation systems online, this will improve.
4. To start using any of the VA Education Programs you have to apply. Before you apply, you need to research to find out which program will be more financially advantageous to you. Start here: www.gibill.va.gov. Read about all the programs and determine which ones you would qualify for and then compare the benefits of each program.
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Just a few corrections on the Voc Rehab. I'm about to finish my degree in the Voc Rehab program. On the books and supplies I think Voc Rehab has the new GI Bill beat. You said the GI Bill pays $1,000 once a year for books and supplies?
The Voc Rehab is better in that regards cause they pay for your books regardless of how much they are. I went Spring Summer and Fall this year and last year and my books were close to $2,000 both years. Then they give you $35 each semester for supplies. $18 in the summer. Plus anything else you need they will pay for. They bought me a computer and a printer. I needed a scientific calculator that was $130. They paid for that.
That's why I say the Voc Rehab program is better.
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