Would be the cause of disabilities for Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome of which the fatigue is unknown by doctors. Per definition, they are looking for the fatigue of CFIDS (CFS, FM, ME for short).

This is the autoimmune metabolic causing chemical, of which diabetes and even birth defects can be side effects.

THE FATIGUE is the proof of 2-butoxyethanol overexposure. Per research it causes hemolytic anemia. Must be autoimmune, however.

THE CFIDS Fatigue causing chemical - Harms soldiers MOST - of EVERY era. Start looking for what is the same ... even back to the WWII vets, the Vietnam vets, Korean Vets and most expecially the 'gulf war syndrome' vets and today's vets, as well.

The CFIDS fatigue MUST BE AIHA or IMHA

A cause of seizures can be lack of oxygen.

Do you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ... such as CFIDS? (Whether diagnosed or not?)

This pattern, if so

Often you will find leukemias as a side effect. But for the rise in Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma ... check to see if 'the FATIGUE' is there, too.

I find this post ... children of the Vietnam vets of interest ... and relevant to this chemical's effects.

'Mother Margaret' aka Dear Maggie

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More info

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Originally posted by cav66signal:
Anyone know what compensation ratings are awarded for type II diabetes?

On the lists of presumptive approvals for diabetes, type II ... it is approved for Korean Vets ... but not for Vietnam vets (pretty long list of ailments ... including autoimmune issues put forth by Vietnam vets ... very few approved)

Korean vets are just those who may have had AO exposure/s (from what I can tell)

the Korean Vets' Presumptively approved Compensation - Some medical conditions

What are the PRESUMPTIVELY approved conditons for Vietnam Vets?

Question is, what besides AO may have been 'in the mix?'

Also, when did the diabetes show up?
I personally believe it is a side effect of 2-butoxyethanol exposure. It can show up later in one's life (as many baby boomers including me can attest to) as a late to show up birth defect from a parent so poisoned. (My dad was a WWII Navy man who saw 'action')

But if it is a sudden onset with very high Blood Sugar, look for flu symptoms and what was going on right then.

I suspect autoimmune hypothalamus and that changes in blood pressure and body temperature AND BLOOD SUGAR go along with it for those with DIRECT exposure.

You can still be exposed, very easily, to this chemical today: ethylene glycol monobutyl ether is the old name for 2-butoxyethanol. Look for all the MSDS info you can find to get a picture of what it does (as the USA says it's not harmful). Some info I shared with Barbara

Look for THE FATIGUE of CFIDS

Approval for disability should not be limited to whether or not AO is in the mix

Suspect all autoimmune issues when 'the pattern' of CFS,FM, CFIDS underlies the ailment.

Note the findings of UK research ... Suspect this chemical for tumors of all kinds in all areas of the body

PS 2-butoxyethanol is listed on the solvents and pesticides the gulf war troops were exposed to. By some odd definition it is a pesticide

AND as to sleep apnea, this is also seen among the group of people exposed to this chemical. I think it affects the opening and closing of not only the breathing apparatus, but also digestion and veins

I have noticed posts referencing kidney cancer and other issues such as sarcoidosis, peripheral neuropathy.

... from CATO2 (who has replied to my trackpads posts with more MSDS info) ... he comments on neurapathy & having MRIs ... changes in his sense of balance, co-ordination ... a tingling in fingers & toes - (Consider CIDP the 'chornic version of what Pres FDR had), loss of focus & concentration

What you are describing may be part of a larger picture of health harm.

In addition to sarcoiidosis & peripheral neuropathy, I would ask a soldier whether or not they have FATIGUE, memory loss, difficulty concentrating, extreme irritability?

Mutliple cancers can be possible.

Kidney cancer is one that should be suspect for 'the other chemical in the AO spray ... it was mixed with jet fuel so it would adhere to the folliage, one soldier told me.

If it is the other chemical, you would have other effects, not just one thing. It has serious FATIGUE that doctors do not usually find, but they would if they looked at the red blood cells.

Do you have fatigue, memory loss, severe irritability? CFIDS whether diagnosed or not is the odd assortment of symptoms from which many other things pile on top. 2-butoxyethanol is the autoimmune causing chemical.

Dave has allowed me to post my info on this topic HERE under Veterans' Issues, Disability compensation, but since I suspect 'the wrong chemical, AO, is blamed for what 2-butoxyethanol does, he doesn't want me to post on other threads.

I do not wish to undermine any of his work. However, many, many are not getting compensation when it is due. I am not addressing singlular health issues. I have no medical background; however, my theory of what 2-butoxyethanol does is provable.... and the research is already done (only the USA chooses to ignore it)

Do you have this pattern, and the fatigue of AIHA?

Research ... what the other chemical does:

After blood, primary organs targeted are kidneys and liver and central nervous system, and skin and connective tissues. Even autoimmune issues like arthritis can 'pile on' as time goes on.

I have spent a lot of time looking into what those with known and suspected exposures to 2-butoxyethanol would look like.

They should also learn to avoid this chemical today, as it is easy to be re-exposed today. The picture is so large ... that many things it does are not even considered as part of the harm.

I think this 'gulf war syndrome' vet shows the pattern of harm quite well: Donny Richardson

AND if we knew what happened to the bioremediation workers of EVOS they would look like many soldiers of WWII, Vietnam, Korea, 'gulf war syndrome vets' ... today's soldiers .... and those in the civilian population with CFIDS (CFS, FM, ME for short)

Thank you, Dave, for your work.

Thank you for this place to share the picture of harm that I suspect from 2-butoxyethanol. I hope it will be an approved cause of disability compensation ... including the many birth defects it causes (It is a teratogen, a poison, a solvent, and a pesticide)

I hope those with THE FATIGUE & multiple, odd health issues will ask their doctors more about 'the fatigue' ASK them to look at the red blood cells & find out everything there is to know about them, including whether or not there is an elevated RDW

Thanks Maggie for starting your topic in the appropriate place. While we may have disagreements on Agent Orange issues, you are within your rights to wage your campaign regarding 2-butoxyethanol as I did mine on herbicides back in the 1970's. I do agree with you that 2-butoxyethanol is dangerous.
Dave Barker

Thank YOU ! You have been a gentleman

I didn't realize that this Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether was a pesticide (per an odd EPA definition) ... and so widespread in use (until I started checking into it.) Thank you for a 'forum' to express my 'findings' It will be those who have been harmed & their doctors ... who have the proof. I am in high hope that this chemical will be found out and someday banned by Congress. The EPA is impotent to help us.

Even our sweet babies and our pets are at risk.

Summary of this thread - first 3 posts: Why I think 2-butoxyethanol exposures & resultant CFIDS should be on the list of presumptive disability compensation

I have a totally different perspective since I started to recognize this chemical's harm:

1- the flu is a chemical exposure, primariy. Just because a virus or bacteria is found, does not mean it is the cause of what ails you.

2- Diabetes and abnormal blood pressure, body temp - are side effects of autoimmune hypothalamus. There is nothing wrong with the genes in some families; we have multiple generations of chemically poisoned people.

3- Prominent people like Pres FDR have the signs of this chemical's pattern. I suspect VP Cheney is not far from 'collapsing' and they know his heart is OK. "shortness of breath" I wish I knew more about when former US Attorney General, John Ashcroft, came down with 'flu symptoms' I do suspect that would have been the start of what resulted in gall bladder pancreatitis.

4- We need to pay more attention to those with CFIDS, CFS, FM, ME. The fatigue doctors are looking for must be Autoimmune Hemoltytic Anemia or Immune Mediated Hemolytic Anemia. Checklist of 'the pattern' with emphasis on the signs of AIHA

By the time other things pile on top, people forget to mention how tired they are. And they are exasperated to continually hear nothing shows up in their medical tests. When the chills and shortness of breath start up, they are at a serious, advance stage of THIS fatigue.

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I found the comments on EGBE caused hemolysis of interest on an MSDS shared on trackpads.com. Generally you need to look at multiple MSDS info to get an overview of this chemical's effects.

Ask these questions on the 'checklist'. Most are not the kind of person to complain, and since those with CFIDS or CFS are concerned that their fatigue is not being found ... you may have the exposure & resultant effects without it showing up in the medical tests. At least get some quality air-tight goggles to wear when around this ... and insist on these for workers, too.

This chemical also causes pallops, cysts, and tumors either benign or cancerous. What we need are medical tests that show when our immune system is attacking us. Then the pains in the area of the kidneys or stomach or the headaches ... that are hormonal etc, could be found out.

I just took this info (by web pages) to the man in our town who does auto-body repair. He only wears a paper suit and no eye protection. He would HAVE to have the ills of this chemical, which are miriad. They never said so, however, his wife was VERY interested in what I stumbled across.

I also wonder about new moms & what they are giving them during child birth...I suspect this chemical is being given to new moms, and is the cause of depression and hormonal irregularites, etc ... I wonder about Valerie Plume's post par tem blues or DEPRESSION ... I wonder about Marie Osmond & her collapsing. There was something in the news about her health issues that caught my attention in the past, and Monday she 'fainted' after 'shortness of breath'

In short ... this chemical, per UK research, affects:
CHRONIC EFFECTS
TARGET ORGAN(S):
BLOOD
KIDNEYS
LIVER
CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM
TESTES
OVEREXPOSURE MAY CAUSE REPRODUCTIVE DISORDER(S).


WEAR SUITABLE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, GLOVES AND EYE/FACE PROTECTION.

TARGET ORGAN DATA

SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER OLFACTION EFFECTS)
SENSE ORGANS AND SPECIAL SENSES (OTHER EYE EFFECTS)
BEHAVIORAL (GENERAL ANESTHETIC)
BEHAVIORAL (ALTERED SLEEP TIME)
BEHAVIORAL (SOMNOLENCE)
BEHAVIORAL (EXCITEMENT)
BEHAVIORAL (ATAXIA)
BEHAVIORAL (COMA)
BEHAVIORAL (ANALGESIA)
LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (DYSPNAE)
LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (OTHER CHANGES)
GASTROINTESTINAL (NAUSEA OR VOMITING)
GASTROINTESTINAL (OTHER CHANGES)
LIVER (TUMORS)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (HEMATURIA)
KIDNEY, URETER, BLADDER (OTHER CHANGES)
ENDOCRINE (TUMORS)
SKIN AND APPENDAGES (HAIR)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (UTERUS, CERVIX, ******)
MATERNAL EFFECTS (OTHER EFFECTS ON FEMALE)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (PRE-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (POST-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY)
EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (LITTER SIZE)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM)
SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (WEIGHT LOSS OR DECREASED WEIGHT GAIN)
NUTRITIONAL AND GROSS METABOLIC (CHANGES IN: METABOLIC ACIDOSIS)
TUMORIGENIC (CARCINOGENIC BY RTECS CRITERIA)
TUMORIGENIC (EQUIVOCAL TUMORIGENIC AGENT BY RTECS CRITERIA)

Yesterday my friend Richard spoke with Hillary Clinton twice. She was interested in his concern that Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers were health injured on their jobs, and that it can take awhile before the whole picture emerges.

He was thinking she could work to lift the statute of limitations for those chemically poisoned in their work.

I said, Richard, our Nation needs to know what happened to these workers. I'm sure they will look like the 'gulf war syndrome' vets. AND that 2-butoxyethanol can be found out, if both groups look alike.

Some other thoughts: Give your doctors more information, and ask them to check more things, especially to look for the fatigue of CFIDS

Dear Maggie:
If you will review my website, you will see I have JP Fuel and other petro issues for my clients as well. Thanks for your posts and links.
Dave Barker

Maggie your links are a great help.
The health effects that might occur in humans following long-term exposure to food and water contaminated with benzene are not known. In animals, exposure to food or water contaminated with benzene can damage the blood and the immune system and can even cause cancer.
http://www.valdezlink.com/rbc_size_shape.htm

http://groups.msn.com/oddsnends/2butoxyethanol.msnw

http://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/ingredients.htm

Thanks,
Dave Barker

It is commonly thought that ingestion is an exposure to this chemical; however, more and more MSDS info is stating to protect the EYES ... so how much of this chemical is being put into the AIR??? (Ingestion may not be an exposure at all)

And why I suspect heavy mascara use can be an exposure to this chemical or monobutyl something or other

Also, in our town, and in general, often benzene is blamed for what 2-butoxyethanol does. You can check what is going on in the blood to determine which chemical is most suspect. Benzene causes aplastic anemia ... 2-butoxyethanol causes hemolytic anemia I suspect both are autoimmune. In the former the red, white and platelet cells are prevented from being made in the first place; in the latter, the red blood cells die off prematurely and there is the odd assortment of CFS, CFIDS, FM, or ME accompanying

Both are said to cause leukemia; however, EGBE also damages liver, kidneys, central nervous system, skin, etc, etc

Share this with your doctor/s to find idiopathic anemia aka CFIDS' fatigue

Hunter Tylo kids' health & some questions I have. Her son was having some nervous system issues and accidentally drowned Oct 18, 2007. He was 19. She has 2 younger daughters with the same father & one has had cancer with loss of an eye?

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This post incorporates the 3 links that Dave likes:

HIGH white blood cell counts

For decades doctors would be thinking that that is an indication of an infection ... or lymphoma sign

NEW FIND for me ... was that spectacularly high WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNTs are another clue to the fatigue of Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (Most probably at an advance stage, however. Although 'the flu' (that exposure) can kill you

Per definition, doctors do NOT know what the fatigue is. This is the most important population to give priority attention to.

I believe you will find that 2-butoxyethanol exposures are there for someone with CFIDS ... and that there are multiple exposure possibilities; that this chemical must be avoided at all costs by everyone of every age (our pets, too)

This chemical exposure looks like flu

It is NOT from a virus - a chemical poisoning

The FATIGUE of CFIDS is Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia aka Immune Mediated Hemolytic Anemia if I'm right - because that is what the research says this chemical causes ... and a whole lot more (I suspect most cancers especially of the blood & blood forming organs, kidneys, liver, skin, Central Nervous System. Especially brain tumors and leukemia for children of those strongly exposed.

This blood damage and these cancers per UK research. Most of the time the USA says it is not a very harmful chemical. And doesn't warn people to protect their eyes.

This is my 'expanded' list of symptoms of CFIDS

Check kidneys, too
Did you know that kidneys send a hormone to the bone marrow to help make red blood cells? And that kidneys help make strong bones?

Checklists for those with idiopathic anemia should have a question, "Did your dad or gradpa serve during war-time? Did your parent or grandparent work in manufacturing or painting business? ... do a lot of cleaning? Work during the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup?"

National Institute of Health site to check the products you use

Put in the 2 CAS numbers for 2-butoxyethanol CAS number 00111-76-2
and 2-(2-butoxy)ethanol CAS number 00112-34-5

And if there is more than 1-2% (Such as Simple Green that has 6%) ... Then protect your eyes with airtight goggles & air out any place that other people will come into.

Lobby Congress to ban these chemicals: for your family's sake and for our environment.

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Dear Maggie:
I find it amazing, so people have become blind to so many dangers of chemicals and simply accept the health risks. It took decades to force safety experts to research the dangers of petrochemicals 2-Butoxyethanol; Butoxyethanol; Butyl cellosolve; Ethanol, 2-butoxy-; Ethylene glycol mono-n-butyl ether; Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether; Monobutyl ethylene glycol ether; n-Butoxyethanol other than the obvious instant effects. Your articles/posts show that there are many problems to be addressed in our national, even worldwide health situation.
After my Navy service, I enrolled in college and worked my way through, including graduate school employed by DuPont. While at DuPont, we were taught chemical safety was a must. That safety program was strictly enforced. Wearing protective gear such as air tight goggles was often a must. We sometimes were required to wear vinyl suits with breathing apparatus on ocassion. Yet these same chemicals, albeit watered down (ethylene glycol is common anti-freeze for your car) are common as a can of spray paint!
Thanks for your research.
Dave Barker

Yes, what you say is true. Spot Shot Carpet cleaner is 38% 2-butoxyethanol & spraying is the worst exposure. No wonder our pets and our babies and all of us are at risk. Nancy and Karen's cats have a tale to tell

Paint (Fuller O'Brien) has a variety of Latex water base enamel that we love. After my husband was painting a small bathroom one afternoon, he had an exposure to ???... no harmful ingredient was disclosed that I could find. Next time we bought a 5 gallon can of this paint it had strong warnings: Contains ethylene glycol - Causes kidney damage. I contacted the company and asked WHICH ethylene glycol and they declined comment. Oh, well, I think I know. The next day my husband had horrible fatigue, "OH, I am SO tired" I think there would have been blood in urine, had he checked. He has lost his normal libido since that time. And I think I notice a more grouchy personality.

Now I notice miraLAX is POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL at #3350. I told the pharmacist that I talked him out of using that. And why, to which she replied, "I don't sell poison to my customers" Well, since it is not combined with BUTYL, maybe it isn't so harmful. I don't think ingestion is an exposure.

At this time, however, my husband was exposed to some very strong chemicals in Liquid Nails (Not the run of the mill), and it appears that his digestion has stopped. We are on day 5 of no bowel movement. In describing it to a friend she said it was "Locked Bowel" I think it is one of the autoimmune issues that escalate eventually to other things, if you live, like MS, Parkinson's, ALS.

I think taking a chemical that could cause autoimmune issues, with diarrhea as a symptom to its exposure, is not a good idea, if you want your intestines to start working ... and not adding to the root cause of it all

It is very good that DuPont gave you good education and good protective equipment. That is not as common as you would think.