I just received my back pay for my last increase from 70% to 100% and believe the amount wasn't even close to being right. Let me just throw out some figures and hopefully someone could explain how back pay should be computed. Back pay goes back to Oct 05 but I will give the current pay amounts to make it more simple.
When I was at 70% I was being paid 1387.00 with wife and son in college. Now my VA pay is changed to 2830.00. My Air Force retirement is 2244.00 minus 579.00 CRDP.
Is the back pay the difference from 2830-1387 or does the Air Force retirement pay have anything to do with the VA back pay?
I've checked online but can't find any regulation concerning computing the VA backpay?
Thanx in advance
I could not find how you came up with that rate. I got $2711 for this year, $2,626 ($1262 at 70%) last year and $2523 (1117) for 2005.
The base amount isn't what I'm asking; you use any of the VA amounts you like. I just want to know how the backpay is figured and approximate amount owed. My VA pay amount is you add the 2610 for myself and wife and then 220.00 for my son over 18 in college which totals 2830.00
Steve- CAN'T do ANY computation on back pay unless ya have the base amounts correct:
This link should show the rates payable as of this year.
100% with a wife and one child is $2711 permonth. That $220 would be for each ADDITIONAL child over 18 going ta school.
As a real rough guesstimation ya probably shoulda got someplace between $20 and $22K back pay.
Ya also shoulda received a big huge award letter outlining EXACTLY what yer increases were. I don't know of they still do it but when I got my final increase it went month by month for the whole 5 plus years my case was working thru the appeals process.
Also, if yer 100% now you should check out if yer childs eligible for Chapter 35 benefits while they're in school, thats another $860 smackeroos straight into their pocket-JRC
I believe that my VA pay amounts are correct and I just checked the award letter and it states for
2005 (3 months) award amount 2636.00
2006 (l2 months) award amount 2743.00
2007 (6 months) award amount 2832.00
I was being paid at the 70% rate for amounts:
Do you have any other children???
The numbers you use are from 2 different "C&P" paycharts, one for "without" children, one for "with" children.
Heres another little something ya should know about VA "C&P" payments, its kinda like an honor system.
You get a check from 'em every month, and you cash it "on your honor" that the payment amount is the correct payment amount. And if it ain't(or your not sure) you should contact them and have a chat with 'em about it.
Cause heres the catch; if its wrong, and the error has been they've been paying ya too much, they take it right back from ya, no questions asked, thank you very much.
Don't matter where the fault or error is, they paid ya too much, they take it back.
MAYBE it has something ta do with yer retired pay, maybe its just a paperwork SNAFU(not a far stretch of the imagination), I got no idea. But I think I'd confirm yer monthly rate is the correct monthly rate for your family situation-JRC
I don't appreciate your round-about accusations that I'm getting over because I'm being paid too much from the VA.
My advice to you is to check with someone in the know how much 100% veteran with wife and child in school over 18 gets.
I'll apologize to you if the amount that I'm receiving is incorrect otherwise how about you stop this nonsense!
I ain't accusing you of anything "round about", over and under, thru the meadow or any other way.
Looking at the charts I can only assume they pay you yer base 100% rate as "100% without children and a spouse" $2610, and then adding the $222 from "100% with children for each additional child over 18 in school", which is $2832 @ month.
I DON'T KNOW is all I'm saying and MAKE SURE thru the VA that they're paying you at the right rate. Cause if its wrong, even thru no fault of your own, they take it back. And if it has been going on for awhile you end up with NO check till ya end up paying it back.
I spent 5 years "duking it out" with the VA going thru the appeals process, and therefore had ALOT of "official correspondence" with them. And; almost without fail, there were mistakes in every piece of paper they sent me. Some small and more or less inconsequential, some not so small and consequential, I think I ended up submitting my sons birth certificate 4 times to the VA before they "got it right".
Now, is your son eligible for "Chapter 35" benefits?? Usually say it right on the 1st page of the award letter, depends on how yer 100% is rated.
If so; and ya ain't done it yet, get on that paperwork!!! YOU gotta submnit paperwork, HE has to submit paperwork, and THE SCHOOL gotta submit paperwork. That rate right now is $880 @ month, full time at school(and its "pro-rated" for lesser enrollment levels).
Full time thats $880 @ month straight into yer kids pocket, every month he's in school.
I personally could care less HOW MUCH you get a month, I ain't ona those "you get more than me" kinda Vets. I have other income streams and what I get from the VA almost all goes into an account for my grandchildrens college. I don't get SSDI and I'm not retired from the military.
All I'm saying is MAKE SURE that the check you cash each month is right. But; then again, if ya don't wanna cause ya think somebodys accusing you of something, then don't.
But if 10 years from now ya get a letter from the VA saying "Dear Mr Steve, we just found out we've been overpaying you these last 15 years and ya owe us $15K dollars. We'll be keeping yer monthly check till ya pay us back. Thank you very much and have a nice day, Sincerly, the VA.", remember that way back someone advised ya to check and confirm what you were supposed to be getting every month-JRC
Yes, my son has already submitted paperwork for backpay on his chapter 35. He will be receiving 860.00 a month and this makes all thisa moot point because VA will take back the 222.00 that they have paid me anyhow once his paperwork is approved.
I did call the VA and was told that the 2832 is the correct amount!
Welp, ya confirmed it via phone and ya should have it in writing in your award letter, yer a$$ should be covered.
GOOD LUCK on getting the Chap 35 retro!!!!!
My son never got it. He was just heading into his 3rd year of college when I finally got my 100% thru appeal and they gave him chap 35 bennies(with a retroactive date same as the retro date of my claim, five years preceding)and they only paid him forward, never got one penny of retro chap 35 money. Even though according to my award letter he was entitled to 2 years of it!!!
I made a couple calls and sent a couple letters, but nothing ever came of it. He was entitled to it according to my award letter, but the office that was handling his chap 35(I think it was Buffalo NY)were a pack of a$$holes to deal with.
I was sick and tired of dealing with the VA by then(five years of appeals can do that to ya, especially when the primary issue was the VA not following their own rules & regs) and I kinda left it up to my son. I told him I'd fight it if he wanted me to, other than that I was just gonna let it go. The attitude of the VA and some of its personnel WILL wear ya down!! Woulda been about $9K in his pocket.
But, he was very happy just to get what he was each month, and said "fogetaboutit", which is exactly what I did.
Like I said I got "other" income streams and he was very well taken care of while he was in college. He's now a husband and a Dad and I STILL "enhance" his bottom line, my granddaughter as well. You'll probably do the same-JRC
Now that it seems the money part for my son is settled, does anyone know how the VA computes the back pay and does my retirement pay 2244 month and 2173 last year have anything to do with their calculations?
What ya get, $29505???
According to the numbers you published here a couple ago thats what the straight math retro shoulda been.
All they do is go back to the beginning date of the claim and pro-rate; each month, the difference between what you were getting and what the retro increase amount was.
Like I said, and maybe they don't do it anymore, but when I finally got done with the VA and got my award letter the bulk of it was a long detailed month by month of what I got, how much the increase was, and I think each "bullet" ended with words akin to "and therefore entitles you to $XXXX.00(fill in the dollar amount) additional compensation for this month".
Also included was any detail about dependents/spouses additional compensations.
Kinda just a chronological detail of my VA financial payments with all the retro payment info included in it.
Did ya get less??
If ya did(and like I said), maybe ya owed something. You Owe, they take.
As far as the retired part and CRDP and that whole ball of wax they created ta give you retirees back what they stiffed ya outa all these years, I don't know. I did "seven and out".
But yer VA Service connected disabilty compensation is "stand alone" far as I know in that XX percentage of SC disability get ya XXXX amount of dollars a month, differences based on spouses and dependents. But all cut and dry straight numbers-JRC
I think they should have payed me 29,000 too but instead they only paid me 11,000. I went to the VA regional office and talked to the person who did my calculations and she couldn't come up with the same numbers twice and once even told me that I owed money. She said that she would check into my back pay and get back to me next week. That's why I'm trying to see if anyone knows if there is a different method to be used for retirees; I do know that I received the difference from 40% and 70% on my last rating.
My math is (and I have an accounting degree so I think I can multiply) using an approx of $1,400 (for this purpose rounding is OK) times 20 Months, equals $28,000. Add the few hundred extra for 2006 and 2007 and $29,000 is a good number by my math. Now one thing, I think that without your CRDP being adjusted, there may be calculations that I do not know. That is the only way it could be different - if they subtracted - wrongly - military retirement pay.
Holy crap, how do you receive so much? Are you a retired officer or something? I retired as an E-6 and I only receive about $860 a month from the VA, and about the same for my AF pension. I wouldn't think the extra 20% would make that much difference in the amount of compensation.
The difference in VA payment from 50% to 100% is more that triple from $712 to $2,471 for vet only. It does not matter the rank for the VA. It matters the level of disability.
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Steve, let me see if I can help you on how much back pay you should receive.
Your back pay will not exceed your retired pay minus what you have been paid in CRDP.
If I read what you have stated, your Retired pay is now less than your 100% VA.
At 70% VA you started drawing $250.00 a month in CRDP in Jan 2004. You have received an increase of somewhere around $104.00, they round down in Jan 05.
The CRDP is computed by taking the difference of what you were receiving, the $250.00 a month from your VA of $1,291 in Jan 05. This would leave $1,041 times 10% which equals $104.00 I think. In Jan 06 the difference was times 20% and in Jan 07 30%, in Jan 08 it will be times 40%.
You will not get back pay for the CRDP already paid to you. You will also not receive more back pay than your retired pay.
The 2244 in retired pay you are showing now, is this your gross retired pay? I need the gross amount before anything is taken out. What is the VA Wavier showing and go over on the last page of your pay statement under remarks and it will show the amount for CRDP. Since your VA is more than your retired pay, the VA Wavier and the CRDP added together will not exceed your gross retired pay. In my case my retired pay is more than my VA so my VA wavier and CRDP is the same as my total VA pay which is $2,610 since I just have a wife and no children at home or in school. I hope this helps you some. If you need more help let me know and give me exact numbers. You can send them to ctx51400@Centurytel.Net if you wish to do so.
O yes, I was going to say that the difference between 90% VA and 100% VA is right at $1,000.00 per month.
You can go to www.va.gov and look at the charts.
Steve, did you received my answer to your personal email, I sent it two days ago I think? I did receive the same one from you through military.com, it came two days after the first one.
As I stated, please let me know if I can help you any more and does the math check out with the information I gave you. I would like to know so I can know how to help the next person. Thank you. You can just do a reply to my email that I sent to you.
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Thanks for your email. I still need some more details, are you 100% IU or 100% Schedula? Since you are still receiving only part of your retirement back in CRDP, I would guess that you are IU. What was the total amount of your backpay before taxes? We do have to pay income tax on CRDP.
I would think the difference would be between what you have received in CRDP and your new rate of CRDP.
You did not give me your new VA Waiver amount for the 100% VA. Also, when did you start receiving your new VA payments for the 100%? The new VA Waiver amount should be $753.00 based on the new CRDP amount of $1,491.00. The two items have to equal your retired when it is less than your VA.
I am coming up with somewhere around $14,130.00 before any taxes are taken out.
Some of the other ones are way off by saying up around $28,000.00. They are taking the difference between the 70% and the 100% and not allowing for the fact that your retired pay is less than the 100% VA and the fact that you are still on the phase in for CRDP if you are IU.
This is about as close as I can come without more details. Hope this helps some. I find it hard to believe that the VA can not come up with the same figures. Did you ask for a supv. I always get a supv on the phone when I am having a problem.
Please send more detail information and I will if I can come up with the same figures. I use to figure pay raises on active duty right down to the penny in income tax and state income tax.
You stated your current new CRDP is now $1,491.00. I was able to go backward and came up with $1,200.00 a month CRDP for 2006 I think. I have an Excel Spreadsheet that figures all this out for the CRDP phase in and projected pay raises to include SSD.
Let me know if you would like a copy.
May God richly bless and keep you and your family.
In His Service,
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