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How common is it for someone to earn both an Air Warfare Specialist Badge and a Surface Warfare Badge?
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It can be done, however it depends on your motivation.
How motivated are you. |
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Navy Forums Moderator Sick and tired of being sick and tired.  |
It's not all that uncommon anymore. Used to be, it was rather difficult to earn two warfare devices. Now that ESWS, IMO, has been watered down so much, it makes it easier to achieve that qual. Not sure how easy it is to get the EAWS.
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TMC, we had a thread discusion on that here some time ago. I sure hope that got bumped and not dumped. |
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It also depends on your rate and to a greater degree NEC's
You can be motivated and all get out but if you are and Aegis FC or an STG or GS you will probably never get the chance to be stationed on a EAWS capable platform CVN/LHA/D IE Ship with an "Air Dept." Same for the odds of getting assigned to an Air station. |
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Thanks, everyone, for the replies. I didn't mean to imply that I was considering earning an Air Warfare Specialist Badge and a Surface Warfare Badge myself. I'd be proud to be deemed worthy of either, but, as a civilian, neither is in my future.
After reading some of the posts here and in the Naval Air Forces forum, I got to wondering if those badges were earned on divergent career paths. I wondered because of someone (on a news group) who claims both along with posting he was on "a photo recon squadron on USS Ranger. RVAH-13 - The Bats" and something about working with "remote guidance systems for missiles", etc. As for how long ago, he's posted that he was drafted in 1970 and that he retired as an E7 and "as the last Chief Aviation Fire Control Technician on active duty in September of 1991". Also, nothing to do with that guy, but just from a writers' curiosity about the paths that people take, do y'all mind telling me how you got where you are? I noticed that (in the civilian world) most people drift into their careers, often on mere happenstance. And, the majority don't like their jobs. After following some of the discussions on the boards here I've gotten the distinct impression that I've come across a higher incidence of people who appear well matched to their occupation, and, not surprisingly, a higher incidence of people who range from being satisfied with their work, to really enjoying it, to taking pride in what they do (in a good way). Even folks here who aren't in the military anymore seem to reflect that. Does that make sense? It just hit me when I was replying about the badges, so I haven't thought about it much. Anyway, I'm wondering how much of that has to do with, say, the Navy's filtering or sorting process. In your experience do they do well in matching strengths with occupations? Do you feel well matched? How much say did an individual have in his or her path when you joined? How easy is it to switch occupations if you want to? How long ago did you enlist/were you drafted? Did you have a clear idea of where you were going when you joined or did that become clear to you later? If you are a vet, how would you say what you did in the Navy affected what you do now? Didn't know you were gonna be assigned homework, did ya?  I don't expect anyone to answer all those questions, but if you have something to say about one of them, I'd appreciate hearing it. If you think I should be asking a different question, I'm open to hearing that too. Thanks. |
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"Hits Count" |
Whew!!!!, Lots of questions...
Not sure of anyone else, but as for me, I let my desires take me where I wanted to go. Even if it ment big changes. The Military is one of the best opportunities anyone can ever take advantage of. Despite the fact it has changed so much and is so watered down as far as standards and lack of discipline. (Sorry, I see it everyday, so I know what I’m talking about) Despite these facts, it's all about attitude anyway. If you have the right one and persevere, there are no limits, As you climb up in rank/rate and responsibly, then it becomes a matter of wanting to make a difference and more about selfless service. I.E. The Mission, The Men, then Me. Even though my Navy time was only a small part of my total military career, I consider it the defining time as far as building the basis of what made me who I was, what I went on to be and who I am now. And still Damn Proud of What I did, and proud to be serving now as a DAC, supporting the GWOT. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth..... |
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When I was aboard CVN 70 I remember seeing quite a few SW/AW qualified guys. Not everybody but enough that it seemed pretty common. Knew an AS1 who had both and an EW2 an EWC who was ESWS coordinatoor. Percentage wise I am not sure but it was not unusual to be both.
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The Grumpy Submarine Troll  |
I have a question for anyone that knows about this. I was in awhile ago (87-93) and used to see some of the permant shore duty types wearing a command career badge where someone would wear a warfare pin. Is that allowed? I thought it looked kinda silly myself. But then I am just a grumpy old troll.
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I know the female Sailors would wear the Command Career Counselor badge, etc., in the position where a warfare pin would be worn. Don't know of an occasion where a male would do so off-hand. Anyone know something different?
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Proudly Served 1970-1990  Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group |
I have been out since 1990. The Career Counselor Badge was worn below the pocket flap as were MAA Badges.
YN1Mike USN, Retired |
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Hell, around here it's not uncommon to see dual qual'd E-3s. AW has been watered down BIG TIME over the last few years. I started the old program in '98 and never finished because it was so time consuming. I did the new program in'99/'00 and finished in about a month. Never had the desire to try for SW, but heard the new program is only slightly harder than AW. |
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Boats is right on this. Females wear devices above the left pocket. If you have a female that has a warfare pin and a device, she would wear the device above the warfare pin. |
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Well,
let me tell you I earned my ESWS in 1988 when it was up to the individual. I was working 12 on 12 off underway on USS ROANOKE AOR-7. Between working and getting my quals signed off. I was plenty busy. there was only 8 of us when went tot he board. I stood watch in enginering steam plant. plus stand the OOD U/W watches. so did not have time for much sleep and then go back to watch. I was very fornuate that my best friend I was in Nam with was on the boat with me and he drilled me in the enginering terminolgy. I passed and was issued my ESWS on September 3rd 1988. I still wear it with pride today. back then the navy gae you 5 points for getting the ESWS. I have a daughter in the navy when she went in 2000 she got hers as a SN. While onboard the USS FRANK CABLE. She is now a weapons instructor at nav weapons school norfolk. she has been in almost 8 years. she will take the GM1 test in march. I am a RM2(SW), USN, RET. I was on 5 ships 2 amphibs USS TARAWA LHA-1, USS PELIEU LHA-5, USS OKLAHOMA CITY COMSEVENTHFLT STAFF AS A RM3, USNS PASSUMPSIC T-AO-107, and USS ROANOKE AOR-7. When I retired they figured out I had over 15 yeas sea time. all those ships were either in san diego or in japan. it is hard to get both badges. just concetrate on one then wait till you are at a different command to get the other one. well that is it. RM2SWUSNRETKIRBYTX |
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Leave request approved GerryRM3 |
I don't know if this is even pertinent to this thread or not BUT I was authorized to wear a C.A.C. & A.W.S. Badge's. I was an A.O. over 40 yrs. ago. I don't remember how or when I earned them. They were never presented to me so I never got them. I found this out four years ago.
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My ship authorized 18 months from the time you received your PQS to finish ESWS/EAWS. While working 12 hour days plus a college course and only 4 hours of sleep a night I finished my ESWS in 7 weeks. To be quite honest I dont think I know(knew) as much as I should have having earned the pin. I hope its a different story after I complete EXW. I want to know that when Im out there, I have the knowledge necessary in that environment.
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Leave request approved GerryRM3 |
How did I wind up in the Navy? I was going in the Marines. The recruiter did not show up when he was supposed to so I joined the Navy with 8 other guys from my area. We were told we would have our choice of three rates to choose from. I chose EM, UDT, HEO. The navy said ,you are a GM. I said, do you have anything else? We can make you an AO. What do they do? They load bombs on airplanes. That's for me. I only had one week of mess cooking, never chipped paint Never swabbed the deck, Work area only. What's the old saying? I loved the navy. Just hated the A-Holes that ran it. Wouldn't give a dime to do it over again but wouldn't take a million for the memories.
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Sylvia7,
In my day it was uncommon. Now days since I'm still in Civil Service (WG-08) after I retired from the Navy I work around "ACTIVE DUTY SAILORS" on a daily basis I see a lot of sailors with both. Even E-3's with both. So times have changed! Now days if your in Avaition you MUST have (EAWS) Enlisted Aviation Warfare to be eligible for 1st Class Petty Officer. It's NOT AN EXTRA anymore. AD1(AW), USN (Retired) "Life is: You reap what you sow!!" "Go ahead make my day!!" |
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I think it all depends on the ship. The last ship I deployed on got off on not letting anyone ships co or riders get quald. On that deployment, probably 10 ships co, 10 ACU-5, 5 MDSU, and 3 Corpsmen all started the PQS. About half of us made it to board and we were all failed. The coordinator got a NAM for failing the applicants and on a ship with really poor morale, it really took a dive for the worse.
I had some buddies in different ACU-5 dets that quald AW & SW before they got to the persian gulf because they gave it out like a command ball cap. I guess it just depends on the ship. |
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