This post concerns a suspicious removal of a page which challenged Obama's citizenship qualification for President.

Here's the original URL which has been deleted.

http://www.aina.org/news/20080610032620.htm

Although the page is gone, I'm making this post to preserve the gist of the argument presented by the page.

Earlier today (Tues, 6/10/08) the now gone page at the above URL argued that Obama's mother's citizenship history didn't satisfy immigration law requirements for making Obama a natural born citizen, a requirement to be President. In other words, her US citizenship time was not mature enough by naturalization laws to automatically make Obama a citizen when he was born. The page argued that she had Obama a few years too early with respect to the laws for this to happen.

Questions and observations...

If Obama wasn't born a citizen by naturalization laws, when did he become a citizen?

Also, the 14th A. doesn't automatically make everybody who is born in USA a US citizen. However, you can get the impression that it does when you don't read related parts in their entirety.

The truth of the matter is that I was intrigued by the short essay questioning Obama's citizenship because foreigners outside the reach of our politically correct MSM can sometimes read our laws more objectively than we can, in my opinion. And hindsight tells me that its not surprising that foreigners would know more about US citizenship laws than we do.

Also, I would never have questioned Obama's citizenship qualifications for President if I hadn't stumbled onto the page. And given my limited research, the question mark concerning Obama's citizenship qualification for President has not gone away, even if the page has.

Finally, sorry this post isn't better organized. My head was spinning a bit after discovering the page had disappeared no more then two hours after first seeing it.

What am I overlooking, other than I'm not familiar with naturalization laws?

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Originally posted by TenthAmendment:
This post concerns a suspicious removal of a page which challenged Obama's citizenship qualification for President.

Here's the original URL which has been deleted.

http://www.aina.org/news/20080610032620.htm

Although the page is gone, I'm making this post to preserve the gist of the argument presented by the page.

Earlier today (Tues, 6/10/08) the now gone page at the above URL argued that Obama's mother's citizenship history didn't satisfy immigration law requirements for making Obama a natural born citizen, a requirement to be President. In other words, her US citizenship time was not mature enough by naturalization laws to automatically make Obama a citizen when he was born. The page argued that she had Obama a few years too early with respect to the laws for this to happen.

Questions and observations...

If Obama wasn't born a citizen by naturalization laws, when did he become a citizen?

Also, the 14th A. doesn't automatically make everybody who is born in USA a US citizen. However, you can get the impression that it does when you don't read related parts in their entirety.

The truth of the matter is that I was intrigued by the short essay questioning Obama's citizenship because foreigners outside the reach of our politically correct MSM can sometimes read our laws more objectively than we can, in my opinion. And hindsight tells me that its not surprising that foreigners would know more about US citizenship laws than we do.

Also, I would never have questioned Obama's citizenship qualifications for President if I hadn't stumbled onto the page. And given my limited research, the question mark concerning Obama's citizenship qualification for President has not gone away, even if the page has.

Finally, sorry this post isn't better organized. My head was spinning a bit after discovering the page had disappeared no more then two hours after first seeing it.

What am I overlooking, other than I'm not familiar with naturalization laws?

If you can pull up your browsers 'history' list click the page and see if loads from your browsers cache, if it does center the appropriate text on the screen, hit 'print screen' on your keyboard, open up your paint program, and using the edit tab select 'paste' and save the document. If this rough screen shot works lemme know and I'll link you to a pic hosting site so you can post that screen shot.

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Originally posted by samh32:
Dam!! you all are reaching!! hell McCain was born in Panama!

To American citizens I presume?

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Originally posted by Raunchy:

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Originally posted by samh32:
Dam!! you all are reaching!! hell McCain was born in Panama!

To American citizens I presume?

And...If the paperwork (I-551) stamp in your passport, youre a citizen of the country you were born!

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Originally posted by MaddogK:
If you can pull up your browsers 'history' list click the page and see if loads from your browsers cache, if it does center the appropriate text on the screen, hit 'print screen' on your keyboard, open up your paint program, and using the edit tab select 'paste' and save the document. If this rough screen shot works lemme know and I'll link you to a pic hosting site so you can post that screen shot.

Thanks, I've been examining contents of browser cache. Unfortunately, the "sorry Charlie" from the server with the deleted page is the only thing I've found so far.

But it remains that we've got a good question that needs to be answered concerning Obama's citizenship qualifications as a presidential candidate.

I looked around the internet and the gist of the argument seems to be that Hawaii is not really part of the USA, because the statehood of Hawaii was a violation of the 1893 treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii, or something.

In other words, a crackpot theory.

I agree, I'm no Obama supporter, but this is a non issue.

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Originally posted by BabySupine:
I looked around the internet and the gist of the argument seems to be that Hawaii is not really part of the USA, because the statehood of Hawaii was a violation of the 1893 treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii, or something.

In other words, a crackpot theory.

Looks like the same ploy used vs Goldwater--- Since he was born into Arizona Territory before it became a State, some question of his eligibility came up because of it.

McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

I think both assertions towards the candidates is so much political hogwash.

Another issue. Hey, what about the REAL issues that are important to REAL Americans. Well, I guess if this is all those who are against Obama have, it looks like an Obama presidency. In other words, the Republicans don't stand a chance. Get used to it .... President Obama, thats right, and be sure to say it right ...

If Obama was born in the United States into a marriage that was made under state/federal law, not much argument for him not being a citizen...cuz that's how it works, at least on paper..

Subject: Barack Obama’s Mother

Thought you might find this interesting reading. This is the first I’ve heard anything really about her.
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> Stanley Ann Dunham, at Mercer Island High School
> Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro ( November 29, 1942 - November 7, 1995), known as Ann Dunham and Stanley Ann Dunham, was an American anthropologist, left-wing social activist, and the mother of Senator Barack Obama. She was born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, to Stanley and Madelyn Dunham.
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> Barack Obama, Sr. left Ann and their son in 1963 to attend Harvard in Boston. Press reports claim Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. were divorced around this time; however, no evidence has yet been presented to show they were ever married. The senior Obama obtained a masters degree in economics at Harvard and returned to Kenya in 1965 where he obtained a position in the Kenyan government. He was killed in an automobile accident in 1982.
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> The school Ann attended, Mercer Island High School , was a hotbed of pro-Marxist radical teachers. John Stenhouse, board member, told the House Un-American Activities Subcommittee that he had been a member of the Communist Party USA and this school has a number of Marxists on it’s staff. Two teachers at this school, Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman, both Frankfurt School style Marxists, taught a critical theory curriculum to students which include d; rejection of societal norms, attacks on Christianity, the traditional family, and assigned readings by Karl Marx. The hallway between Foubert’s and Wichterman classrooms was sometimes called “anarchy ally.”
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On that note, now it is time to move this thread to the proper forum.

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Her family moved to Hawaii and Ann attended the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where she studied anthropology. When Ann Dunham arrived in Hawaii , she was a full fledged radical leftist and practitioner of “critical theory” She also began to engage in miscegenation (inter-racial relationships) as part of her attack on society. Susan Blake, one of her friends has stated she never dated “the crew-cut white boys,”

On review, this looks to me like racist spew. Not something we care to allow on military.com.
I see from your notes that this is a habit of yours.
You are hereby suspended indefinitely. If you wish reinstatement you can contact a chief mod or admin.

No disrespect intended to the moderator here, but I didn't sense any racism in that narrative written about obama's family...i also don't know much about wht that poster has written before either, but personally, i DO see these things as issues.Our backgrounds are scrutinized intensely for our security clearances. Why shouldn't a potential presidents also be? It took my wife several months to get here clearance simply because her holocaust survivor father had changed his family name several times during his escape from dachau!

US CONSTITUTION
AMENDMENT 14

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Obama was born in the state of Hawaii on 4 August 1961.

Besides
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Foreign countries seem to be picking up on concerns about Obama's USA citizenship and his qualifications for President more than we are.

Almost two months ago in June the Assyrian International News Agency questioned Obama's qualification for President and now the Canadians are.

The point that foreign news agencies are bringing up is that, because Obama's father was not a USA citizen, Obama's American-born mother was not old enough (18) by law when Obama was born for Obama to automatically become a USA citizen. I believe that foreign news agencies are arguing that she needed to be 21 when she had Obama in order for Obama to have automatically been a USA citizen.

Regardless that the Assyrian article was pulled shortly after it was put on the web site, the article by the Canadian Free Press has essentially the same information.

• Obama not presidentially qualified

Also, here's the dead url for the Assyrian article.

Dead link to Assyrian article challenging Obama's presidential qualifications.

Note that the original Assyrian article questioning Obama's citizenship possibly appeared in message boards on same day that the Assyrian News Agency posted it, the same day that I first saw it. In fact, note that this thread was originally created by me within hours after the seemingly short-lived Assyrian article disappeared.

Again, foreign countries are probably more familiar with USA citizenship laws than USA citizens are.

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I have to add my spin on this, First this is a non-issue. Obama will become the next president, I'm not a supporter of his but he is an enigma right now. That will be a sad day for us all. I'm not too keen on McCain either, when liberals are endorsing you than you are not a true conservative. JM may be less-damaging for the USA in the long run but he is not connecting with enough voters to win. This is my fear, Obama wins and some nut-job [either on his own or affiliated with a group] pops off a shot at him....any of you remember what happened when those cops beat Rodney King? What follows will be worse! We could have had a black president years ago...a real leader, Gen. Powell. Hell I would have voted for him. BUT even he knew this country is not ready for a black president. He could have easily won, I'd like someone to argue the counter-point. I voted for GB twice, mostly voted against the "other" guy. In retrospect the general probably would have done better than 'duba. I think it a serious possibility that Iraq would have been pulled off in a more positive manner overall given the generals background.