I get a bad feeling about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran)
This brought me to a bad thought.
What if this guy already has nukes.
And after the clearing of hamas in Libya is a bit suspicious of the US.
Once we increase our troops to what 400K ???
If this guy were to deliver Via Truck, (not air)
The reason I say the delivery is truck is that it would take longer to track there origination.
1 or 2 Nukes to our US troops in Iraq.
1 or 2 Nukes to Israel.
To me, ????? if this actually accrued, the result is mind boggling.
Especially if the were to hold any of our allies in check with threats of more Nukes directed at them.
Geezzzz
I believe they would gain the respect of the whole middle east and much of the world for crippling the evil USA and annihilating the Israelis.
My god am I nuts as it seems to me they could pull this off an arise as a world power.
Not to mention the deal they could strike with Mexico to help them harvest the enormous oil reserves and solve the countries financial wows.

Sooo, is this scenario I have dreamed up a possibility????

My apologies if this is just way out there, but when that guy came to the US a few months back
I got a feeling that he was here to observe the spoils of a country he planed to conquer.

The president of Iran would never do such a thing. It would be absolute suicide. The only parties at the moment that I believe would actually use a nuclear weapon would be N. Korea (only if backed into a corner) and some terrorist organization. It is absolutely suicide to use a nuclear weapon against the US or anyone for that matter. Not only would we feed them as many of ours as they could handle (making the so talked about glass-factory), but we would instantly regain the full support of the international community in what we're doing, and they would all try to help us. It would be a major blow against us, but any leader that's not s**t-faced on poppy-seeds would know that they would ultimately lose if they did that.

If a 10 kt bomb went off in the middle of Kansas, who is to say who set it off?

Ahmadinejad has an earned PhD degree in Civil Engineering. I don't think the guy is a dummy as portrayed by our media/politicians. I think the guy needs serious watching but I think he is smart enough to know when to fold his hand.

On the flip side, he just may do it.

That is how I see it.
I know we tend to see ourselves as all powerful and untouchable.

Mohmoud Ahmadinejad is not stupid, and I don’t think he is either.
But if warped…this is a problem. To hate the Jews so much to believe and look for proof that the holocaust never existed????

Realize what he would have to gain.
Seriously what would the world look like after the smoke cleared? A crippled US defense force and Israel destroyed or in dismay.
But yes !!!! We would still have a Navy and Air force
And we would be able to defend the USA.

Also you cant assume Mohmoud Ahmadinejad shot the whole wad.
He is still holding

Many countries are true allies to the US
Many are not, and many would have much to gain from such a disaster.

Also consider their religion, how many would gladly die in the name of Allah.
How many would see the convenience of this sinierao an act of Allah.
And how many would see this as an act of sac religious; if the ability exists and no action was taken.


We are putting 95% of our entire land force in right in their back yard (just were they want us ???)We have just placed "another|"an aircraft carrier in the gulf with stated intentions..?????? (Actually an act of war in itself)

Comments from TEHRAN, Iran -
The United States is incapable of inflicting "serious damage" on Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday
They are not really in a position to carry out this action [of attacking Iran]. I believe there are many wise people in the United States who would not let it happen," he added.

It is also been reported that the US has been warned by both Russia and China that a US that an invasion of Iran would have serious consequences. There own national security interest. Why and where: I believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad already has nukes.

And lets not forget one of the reasons we went to Iraq,.... Too destroy the weapons of mass destruction... the ones we gave to Saddam to use on Iran.
I don’t think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has forgotten.

History it self: Gives us Americans many indications as to the vulnerability of great nations. Not many pay attention.
And because we now have wings on our spears this wont change a thing.

tmorrison, your premise has some logic based on the irrationality of the Iranian leader; however, he would be signing his and all Iranian's death warrant if he ever did such a bizzare and devious act. The US would immediately turn Iran into a radioactive parking lot along with any other country foolish enough to side with Iran!

No doubt we would still have the ability to react.
But this is part of my concern.
Like being out of bullets and all ya have left is a stockpile nukes.
I'm also not saying Iran would come out on top.
But they my see things differently.
Saddam thought he could win.
That’s all it takes.
Also to slow things down a bit you would have to identify the attacker before you start pushing buttons.
And remember the Romans, Hitler, Russia, all with undefeatable army's.
Never say Never; War seems almost timeless.
Still fought the same way for the same reasons for 2000 years.

I know for a fact that the possibility to deliver a nuke by truck to Israel from Iran is very very close to zero. No problem there.
That the president of Iran would be the first to strike (nukes or conventional) is very (read VERY) unlikely. First he would loose all support (that counts) he has around the globe and secondly a retaliation attack would be inevitable.
In the case of the opposite, a US or Israeli attack on Iran, Ahmadinejad would gain support and also feel free to strike back.
To take on Iran is in no way as easy as taking on Iraq. Most americans seem to consider Iran as some kind of walk in the park regarding resistance in case of an attack. Iraq was that piece of cake (invasion wise) but I am sure Iran would be a different treat. The US would have to drain all its military force and also start drafting to be able to (if possible) fill the needs regarding personell.
Even if GWB does not understand this, I'm sure most non puppet analysts from CIA and other intelligence agencies are aware of the facts.

regards,
cofor

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Originally posted by wt2c:
If a 10 kt bomb went off in the middle of Kansas, who is to say who set it off?

MASINT analysts, that's who. It'd take them about five seconds.

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Originally posted by wt2c:
Ahmadinejad has an earned PhD degree in Civil Engineering. I don't think the guy is a dummy as portrayed by our media/politicians. I think the guy needs serious watching but I think he is smart enough to know when to fold his hand.

On the flip side, he just may do it.

I agree...he's a smart guy. He's also not suicidal, and neither is the Iranian religious leadership. Heck, even Kim Jong-Il isn't.

Iran isn't pursuing nuclear war. Nuclear weapons are a good thing in the hands of states, but a bad thing in the hands of extremist groups. Until Iran shows to be any kind of threat, we're good.

Kim Jong-I??? Wouldn’t know which way to point it.
But were ever it landed he would declare it a success.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a terrorist!!!!!
If a suicide bomber could strap a nuke to his chest he/she would.

US leaned on him pretty hard last year.
Not enough to have not 1 but 2 US Aircraft carriers sitting off your shore,
With all their missiles pointed at you.

The clearing of southern Lebanon I believe was meant to accomplish two things.

1.To hit Iran in the pocket book and dissolve their investment in Lebanon.

2. Clear the fields of Hezbollah and use the land to stage a war.

That was Israel fighting the war, but you can bet a US commander was in the loop.
And if that were over soldiers taken hostage, Israel would have leveled Gaza and the west Bank years ago.
As it turned out Israel defense forces needed the practice.

I fully realize the Americas defense capabilities. Know doubt we have the capability to react. After the fact.... Maybe there are also possibilities to hold us at bay.
Such as him holding his finger on the button of another nuke in one of our major cities, or an allied country. It wouldn’t even have to be a very big one. Also keep in mind "they will die" but they will die murders.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a very smart guy, but just as much an extremist, and now that he has tasted power in his present position....He wont want to give it up.

And like I mentioned, to them the prize of such an act, may be an act of their own God, or sacrilege not to act.

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Originally posted by tmorrison:
Kim Jong-I??? Wouldn’t know which way to point it.
But were ever it landed he would declare it a success.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a terrorist!!!!!
If a suicide bomber could strap a nuke to his chest he/she would.

US leaned on him pretty hard last year.
Not enough to have not 1 but 2 US Aircraft carriers sitting off your shore,
With all their missiles pointed at you.

The clearing of southern Lebanon I believe was meant to accomplish two things.

1.To hit Iran in the pocket book and dissolve their investment in Lebanon.

2. Clear the fields of Hezbollah and use the land to stage a war.

That was Israel fighting the war, but you can bet a US commander was in the loop.
And if that were over soldiers taken hostage, Israel would have leveled Gaza and the west Bank years ago.
As it turned out Israel defense forces needed the practice.

I fully realize the Americas defense capabilities. Know doubt we have the capability to react. After the fact.... Maybe there are also possibilities to hold us at bay.
Such as him holding his finger on the button of another nuke in one of our major cities, or an allied country. It wouldn’t even have to be a very big one. Also keep in mind "they will die" but they will die murders.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a very smart guy, but just as much an extremist, and now that he has tasted power in his present position....He wont want to give it up.

And like I mentioned, to them the prize of such an act, may be an act of their own God, or sacrilege not to act.

1. What makes you think Ahmadinejad is a terrorist?

2. Neither Iran nor any other regime in that theater has anything close to an ICBM that could reach the United States, so what's all the concern?

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Originally posted by burntorangehorn:

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Originally posted by tmorrison:
Kim Jong-I??? Wouldn’t know which way to point it.
But were ever it landed he would declare it a success.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a terrorist!!!!!
If a suicide bomber could strap a nuke to his chest he/she would.

US leaned on him pretty hard last year.
Not enough to have not 1 but 2 US Aircraft carriers sitting off your shore,
With all their missiles pointed at you.

The clearing of southern Lebanon I believe was meant to accomplish two things.

1.To hit Iran in the pocket book and dissolve their investment in Lebanon.

2. Clear the fields of Hezbollah and use the land to stage a war.

That was Israel fighting the war, but you can bet a US commander was in the loop.
And if that were over soldiers taken hostage, Israel would have leveled Gaza and the west Bank years ago.
As it turned out Israel defense forces needed the practice.

I fully realize the Americas defense capabilities. Know doubt we have the capability to react. After the fact.... Maybe there are also possibilities to hold us at bay.
Such as him holding his finger on the button of another nuke in one of our major cities, or an allied country. It wouldn’t even have to be a very big one. Also keep in mind "they will die" but they will die murders.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a very smart guy, but just as much an extremist, and now that he has tasted power in his present position....He wont want to give it up.

And like I mentioned, to them the prize of such an act, may be an act of their own God, or sacrilege not to act.

1. What makes you think Ahmadinejad is a terrorist?

2. Neither Iran nor any other regime in that theater has anything close to an ICBM that could reach the United States, so what's all the concern?

1 Iran is funding Hezbollah and supplying them with weapons such as rockets and small arms. Iran is supplying the insurgents/terrorists in Iraq with funds and armor piercing IEDs.
Iran is supplying Hamas and the other little heathans in Gaza with arms and funding. Who is the titular head of Iran? Ahmadinejad! These groups are all terrorists, therefore all people who supply terrorists, are terrorists them selves.Ahmadinejad/Iran= Terrorists

Question 2 reply: Wake up and read the news!! You don't need an ICBM to launch a nuke anymore!! You could walk accross our porous borders with a "Suitcase" nuke. You could send one in on a container on a container ship to one of our ports, You could launch a small unguided missle such as a "Scud" or "FROG" series from a merchant ship off shore, or heavan forbid, a guided cruise missle or antiship missle. You could load one on a small or large plane and fly it accross the border into our country before anybody had time to react. It's very small minded to think you need an ICBM to launch a nuclear attack on anybody.

Well said Brother

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Originally posted by WildSnide_USMC53D:

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Originally posted by burntorangehorn:

quote:

Originally posted by tmorrison:
Kim Jong-I??? Wouldn’t know which way to point it.
But were ever it landed he would declare it a success.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a terrorist!!!!!
If a suicide bomber could strap a nuke to his chest he/she would.

US leaned on him pretty hard last year.
Not enough to have not 1 but 2 US Aircraft carriers sitting off your shore,
With all their missiles pointed at you.

The clearing of southern Lebanon I believe was meant to accomplish two things.

1.To hit Iran in the pocket book and dissolve their investment in Lebanon.

2. Clear the fields of Hezbollah and use the land to stage a war.

That was Israel fighting the war, but you can bet a US commander was in the loop.
And if that were over soldiers taken hostage, Israel would have leveled Gaza and the west Bank years ago.
As it turned out Israel defense forces needed the practice.

I fully realize the Americas defense capabilities. Know doubt we have the capability to react. After the fact.... Maybe there are also possibilities to hold us at bay.
Such as him holding his finger on the button of another nuke in one of our major cities, or an allied country. It wouldn’t even have to be a very big one. Also keep in mind "they will die" but they will die murders.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a very smart guy, but just as much an extremist, and now that he has tasted power in his present position....He wont want to give it up.

And like I mentioned, to them the prize of such an act, may be an act of their own God, or sacrilege not to act.

1. What makes you think Ahmadinejad is a terrorist?

2. Neither Iran nor any other regime in that theater has anything close to an ICBM that could reach the United States, so what's all the concern?

1 Iran is funding Hezbollah and supplying them with weapons such as rockets and small arms. Iran is supplying the insurgents/terrorists in Iraq with funds and armor piercing IEDs.
Iran is supplying Hamas and the other little heathans in Gaza with arms and funding. Who is the titular head of Iran? Ahmadinejad! These groups are all terrorists, therefore all people who supply terrorists, are terrorists them selves.Ahmadinejad/Iran= Terrorists

Question 2 reply: Wake up and read the news!! You don't need an ICBM to launch a nuke anymore!! You could walk accross our porous borders with a "Suitcase" nuke. You could send one in on a container on a container ship to one of our ports, You could launch a small unguided missle such as a "Scud" or "FROG" series from a merchant ship off shore, or heavan forbid, a guided cruise missle or antiship missle. You could load one on a small or large plane and fly it accross the border into our country before anybody had time to react. It's very small minded to think you need an ICBM to launch a nuclear attack on anybody.

All completely untrue, but you're discounting the intelligence community. Obviously all those MASINT fellows are deaf, dumb, and blind.

Why are people so concerned about Iran? Iran wouldn't be a problem, and neither would any other ME country, if we'd stop propping up those prick Israelis.

Brad,
Wow dude tell us how you really feel! FWIW I concur with your astute analysis about K.J.I. and M.A. It's amazing what CONUS "liberal" news media pumps into the masses these days... But I will say that CONUS, Iran, and NK all have their own version of slick propaganda. It's who you believe the most, I guess. I personally like zooming the Brits (BBC, etc.) and the Ruskies (Pravda, etc.) these days. Believe it or not Aljezerra has an ex-Marine journalist now. It might be a good idea for the 'Axis-of-evil' "pundits" to check other news media sources other than Fox News, MSNBC, Rush Limbaugh (i.e. the liberal media).

-Q-

I think the Israelis would know if Iran had nukes. And reacted. Their existence depends on it.

One would hope,
but then why does Iran currently have the ability to produce enriched uranium.
The last time they went down this path Israel leveled the complex in short order.
With that experience....
This is one factor that leads me to believe Iran already has a NUKE or has the material.
Why would they ask to be part of the club when they know the answer.....NO
Why would they advertise their ability when they know what happen the last time.
Israel... I have a lot of respect for the Israelis,
Recently????
I would say they seem to be slipping, not sure if I should call it that.
Maybe some bad management (militarily) along with some complacency form the latest generation. Not facts just my thoughts.

I also have no facts just supposition and WAG (wild azz guessing) but I think it is all moot now! I think the deadline is mid-April for Operation Persian Thunder (e.g. WAG!!!) I mean isn't it obvious that The Lap-Dog (UK PM Tony Bliar) knows how to use a GPS spoofing system? How else can 'certain people' get their wishes without having their fingerprints on it? So is this how it will start? A phoney rescue invasion??? Didn't that happen before in Iran 30+ years ago??? Yeah STOp (standard training ops) by the The USS John C. Stennis and Dwight D. Eisenhower (et al) in the Persian Gulf. Russian official says US will be ready to strike Iran in April by John Byrne (Raw Story) 30March'07 All just WAG on my part but is Israel tuning up their bombers and nation (Iran's) rebuilding plans yet? "How do you shoot the devil (Iran) in the back? What if you miss?" - Verbal (Kevin Spacey from The Usual Suspects {1995})

Samuel L. Jackson from Jurassic Park "Hold onto your butts [world]!" We're in for a very rough ride!!! WW3? Naah! WW4 maybe...

Sticking with my original WAG then.
A have a realy bad feeling about this.
The Devel has "big balls", or...Big Bomb ???

If a dirty bomb or nuke went off in LA, NY, or any other city in the USA, would we really have the patience to investigate what happened?

"By the Way of Deception, thou shalt do war"

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Originally posted by tmorrison:
Sticking with my original WAG then.
A have a realy bad feeling about this.
The Devel has "big balls", or...Big Bomb ???

Or big juicy oil fields...