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USA Today 27Jun-07

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By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — For three decades, reports of rogue CIA operations from plotting Fidel Castro's assassination to collecting files on U.S. citizens have trickled into the public arena. Now the agency is acknowledging its past illegal activities and revealing in startling detail how it crossed the line.
Tuesday's disclosure of the CIA's secrets from the 1950s until the early '70s shows how the agency repeatedly violated its own charter. As the CIA now endures criticism for its role in pre-Iraq war intelligence failures, it has exposed past flaws by complying with a 15-year-old request to disclose those activities.


REPORT: CIA used mobsters in plot to kill Castro

One set of documents details a 1960 plot to poison Castro's food by conspiring with organized crime figures and an aide to tycoon Howard Hughes.

Gen. Michael Hayden, the CIA director, said the agency has learned "from its history" and moved beyond the abuses detailed in the report. "We will find in the press coverage of today's release reminders of some things the CIA should not have done," Hayden said in a note to agency employees. "The documents truly do provide a glimpse of a very different era and a very different agency."

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Releasing "unflattering" details of the CIA's history will increase public trust in the agency, said Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

"This decision may upset some who worry that releasing these so-called Family Jewels puts the 'good old days' in a negative light," Reyes said. "But the truth is that the 'good old days' weren't always that good."


MORE: Some other examples of CIA misconduct
ON THE WEB: Click through newly-released CIA documents

Critics say the modern CIA is too quick to distance itself from past abuses. The documents provide an important historical record of the CIA's "skeletons," said Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a watchdog group. The Archive's 1992 Freedom of Information Act request prompted the documents' release.

"The CIA cannot be allowed to simply walk away from its skeletons," he said. "Especially when some of those skeletons, like warrantless wiretapping, are alive and walking around today."

The documents, which contain many blank pages, provide little information about current operations, says Ted Gup, author a Nation of Secrets, a 2007 book on government and private sector secrecy. "History welcomes disclosure," Gup said. "But what we as citizens need is something vastly more insightful."

CIA officials compiled the documents in 1973, after newspaper reports connected the June 1972 Watergate break-in to former CIA officers E. Howard Hunt and James McCord.

The report, a collection of various memorandums from CIA officials, also shows how the agency:

• Collected files on 9,900 Americans active in the anti-Vietnam War movement. In addition, the agency planted agents in peace groups in the 1960s and sought information on radicals and black militants.

• Carried out "behavior modification" experiments on unwitting citizens, including mind-altering drugs. Some test subjects were secretly given hallucinogens such as LSD so agents could observe their reactions.

• Spied on columnist Jack Anderson and three of his researchers, including Brit Hume, now a Fox television news anchor, in an attempt to learn their sources.

• Planned to assassinate Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba and Rafael Trujillo, leader of the Dominican Republic. Both men were killed in 1961. The CIA had no role in Lumumba's murder but had a "faint connection" to Trujillo's death, the report states.
Well I have to admit I am surprised. However, does anybody feel that the CIA has not revealed ENOUGH? We all knew these things were going on but nobody wanted to go on record. The really humorus thig was the DRUG TESTING... All that revelation and no mention of the 1953 incident in NYC hotel with the CIA doctor... Well I guess DCIA Helms burned-bag everything so I guess National Security Archive Executive Director Thomas Blanton, Senior Fellow and CIA expert John Prados, and Deputy Director Malcolm Byrne just don't have the CLEARANCE to pull that data...

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does anybody feel that the CIA has not revealed ENOUGH?




===========Yeah, the Crack in the Black Community. Executive Order 12333 removed the responsibility for the CIA to report to the Justice Department when working with drug criminals. cia.gov /library/ Report: CIA; Cocaine; Contras has the details in extended legalese. Will be glad to point to key sentences if asked.
Clinton brought Tenet and intel to Senate Impeach day. Five GOP senators were shown daddy Bush's involvement and decided not to impeach.
John Roberts of the Supremes was White House Council and didn't explain to Reagan the effect of the E.O.-----that it allowed the CIA to work with drug mafias in and out of the US.
Has anyone noticed Roberts is a zombie?
 
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none of this garbage surprises me. with the exception of the drug experiments, this is why we have a cia. its not pretty or nice, but if they did not go around spying on people for no apparent reason, what would they be doing? think about that: highly trained clandestine cells of american agents with nothing but time on their hands. i would almost rather have the cia make stupid mistakes than sitting around looking at each other. at least they are out there doing something to make mistakes while doing it. for them to watch an american person is almost a given, it is when they interfere with the lives and freedoms of citizens that the problems start.
 
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Good point Greensandman. I never looked at it that way...


Shoe,

Yeah John is supposedly very sick. I wish somebody would have spotted that before making him Supreme for life! Don't they do physical exams in those Senate confirms? (just joking)

So how do you like this... The new guard on the 7th floor is now trying to lay blame on George Tenet for the failure to spot 9/11 and the failure to do anything about UBL... WTF!!! I guess Michael F. Scheuer - Chief, 1996 to 1999, of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka "Alec Station"), the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counter-terrorist Center was just fictitious???

Is this pay-back for his new book? The new DCIA says no. Yeah right... I'm glad George responded to them. Went something like "GET F/***ED YOU NECON A**HOLES!" or something like that. I may be paraphrasing a bit...

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PS - Hey Shoe you still watching your 6 these days? Miss our loggerhea-laden convos. :-)
 
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Good point Greensandman. I never looked at it that way...

====Truman erred by accepting the Dulle minded boy's reccommendation to create an agency to hide Werhardt Galen's Nazi espionage establishment to continue the world-wide uniform-less terror operations delegated to Donavan during a war with a Congress-recognized enemy.
Military Intelligence organs then and now are/were capable of sensing dangers to US. The "Company" has been exposed as more responsive to economic/political interests of Economic and Political interests.=========





Shoe,

Yeah John is supposedly very sick. I wish somebody would have spotted that before making him Supreme for life! Don't they do physical exams in those Senate confirms? (just joking)

=======Did my best to point out to the JUD. Committee that he had failed to let Reagan know(as his White House Counsel) the effect of Executive Order 12333 that allowed the CIA to work with drug criminals. Maybe he was out sick that week.============

So how do you like this... The new guard on the 7th floor is now trying to lay blame on George Tenet for the failure to spot 9/11 and the failure to do anything about UBL... WTF!!! I guess Michael F. Scheuer - Chief, 1996 to 1999, of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka "Alec Station"), the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counter-terrorist Center was just fictitious???
============You've picked deeper into that scab than I. Haven't read Tenet yet. I wrote a long post on stuff US will not likely see in it. Like his visit to the Senate Gallery on the day Senate failed to excommunicate Bill. He won't mention that he was there to make it obvious to 5 Republican senators of they voted yes Bill would have Tenet expose BushI's complicity in the drugs on non-lethal-aid transports. etc.
And of course say noting about the Taliban eradicating poppys and the Northern Alliance(Drug Lords) being the world's supplier now.======

Is this pay-back for his new book? The new DCIA says no. Yeah right... I'm glad George responded to them. Went something like "GET F/***ED YOU NECON A**HOLES!" or something like that. I may be paraphrasing a bit...
=========George responded? Where/when?-------
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PS - Hey Shoe you still watching your 6 these days? Miss our loggerhea-laden convos. :-)



========Certainly we have learned by now to obey the commandment that one doesn't use a certain name in vain in an intellectual conversation. Good to see your hand again
 
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I haven't heard any thing about this on the "outside" of the us to confirm a public statement .
 
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Ask and ye shall receive... From the ROCK STAR'S* mouth to your ears "Before 9/11, no agency did more to attack al Qa’ida than the CIA." - *George J. Tenet ( NY Times 21-Aug'07)

Listen to his response on NPR 01May'07. Click here. Keep your head up George!

Shoe - He may have done a lot of things he wasn't proud of... Is someone proud about giving old huey choppers to questionable Mexicans? Sorry - just being a smrt azz ;-)
 
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I haven't heard any thing about this on the "outside" of the us to confirm a public statement .
Hiya' Lisa! Impressive USCG background! I see you were in my neck of the woods once? USCG Acad NLON CT?

I knew this VNV USCG guy once... We we're rag chewing at work about stuff & things of that period and I inadvertently said something stupid about how no USCG ppl were on duty in-country at VN and certainly never did any intel work while there... Well when they were removing his foot outta' my butt I guess I got a new perspective on the USCG - Much respect!!! Big Grin

Hope we can rag chew a bit like I do with my very back-story opaque friend up there I affectionately call "Shoe"...

Hey Shoe? Any more contact with our tall dark Jewish DEA friend from NYC? Do you listen to his radio show at all?
 
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Nope, haven't listened to the talk dark Jew yet. Reception here in Mississipi probably isn't. Line of sight FM etc. Trying to remember the neat piece of poop he gave me.
The helicopters to Mexican dopers was under DCI BushI and Casey.
 
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O I C said the blind man... Smile

If you want to listen to him just click that link up there I posted called "radio show"...
 
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The CIA seems to act as a destabilizing force in outside countries. It is also roumored to be involved in black budget projects funded by selling drugs and other bad stuff. What I find most disturbing is the MK Ultra / Mind Control Experiments that started in the 1960's and may never have stopped for all we know.

See Further links at the UVC :

THE CIA : 21 Topics :
http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php/board,417.0

PROJECT MK ULTRA : 24 Topics :
http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php/board,265.0

PROJECT SHAD : 4 Topics :
http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php/board,264.0

PROJECT 112 : 6 Topics :
http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php/board,435.0

OPERATION NORTHWOODS : 5 Topics :
http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php/board,306.0

Lots of weird stuff out there .........

Tom Trefts / Director of the Unified Veteran Coalition . AKA : Rainbowrising or catorain
 
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Yes we know Tom. Some of us Roll Eyes were involved in it (not me of course I'm a civvie contractor at the TPC (the phone company - AT&T))... I only got to meet some of the victims of that program by chance (I hope). Some showed here in our FISHBOWL thread. Not a very SANE bunch. Here's a trivia question fer' ya' what does MK stand for? No its not MIND KONTROL...

Yes you're right the program was N-E-V-E-R term'd. Per ODCIA Tenet in a Congressional hearing... There's now a new scuttlebutt that a certain POTUS was a voluntary victim because his dad was ODCIA. I don't know if I believe that one but I read it during my pointless goofing-off OSINT jaunts on the Info Highway somewhere...
 
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http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php/board,417.0
Hey I really like your website... really neat... Hey Shoe check it out maybe you can find some of yer' old buds from Operation YKW???
 
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Ok 00q, just noted the site. Jeez, yeah, I'll play there a bit. Remember when you advised me to not talk so dirty cause some old agents simply wanted to relax on the internet a bit? I agreed.

The past abuses have been by the Executive who abused his powers.
 
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Ok 00q, just noted the site. Jeez, yeah, I'll play there a bit. Remember when you advised me to not talk so dirty cause some old agents simply wanted to relax on the internet a bit? I agreed.

The past abuses have been by the Executive who abused his powers.
Not really as I say so much here... (Furbies: "Yeah... Yah think 00Q?"). But anyway SIS should have a place to let their hair down and not be tormented by YKW...

"Past abuses"? You're not referring to Mr. Tenet are you? If you look at the agency's history I'm sure you can find a WHOLE lot more by other DCIs than him. I mean the present SecDef for instance??? Or how about POTUS-41 just from the short list?
 
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