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Basic Training |
I apologize in advance for the length I know this post is likely going to turn out to be. I have several questions regarding many aspects of the reserve program, many of which I felt were not completely answered during my recent visit with a recruiter. Any help you can provide would be enormously helpful.
1. DEPLOYMENT - Being that I am 31 years old and have a family, deployment is not something I look forward to (whereas when I was single and somewhat younger, I probably would have welcomed such an opportunity). Some specific questions, as they pertain to my current age and life situation, are as follows: a) How long do deployments typically last? I realize that there probably isn't any concrete answer to this question, but insofar as your own experiences go, what seems to be the norm? The recruiter I met with explained that there exists a vast difference between deployment in the CG than in other branches of the military. Based on what I was told by him, deployments usually last for a couple of weeks. Is this truly the case, or just him doing his job and creating the most alluring picture possible? b) Over the course of a six-year commitment (not including the two-year inactive status), how many times should I expect to be deployed? Again, the recruiter I spoke with stated that deployment rarely happens over an entire career with the CG reserves. Is this actually the case? Or, are deployments actually quite common? And lastly, if so, what exactly would you consider to be common? c) To where can a reservist be deployed? Again using my conversation with my recruiter as a starting point, I was led to understand that deployment to the Middle East is part of a special assignment for enlisted CG only (I believe the acronym for the program was D.O.G.), and that those individuals volunteered for this duty. True or not true? And, with regard to other points of deployment, are reserves ever sent to areas outside the continental U.S.? d) Are certain jobs more likely to deploy? On the CG reserve website, it explicitly states that Port Security is a position that typically involves deployment to areas around the U.S. and overseas. However, this is the only position for which such a statement is made. Should I assume, then, that all other positions have a lesser chance of deployment (and, more specifically, deployment outside of the U.S.)? Or, are the chances more or less equal for all positions? 2. BEING AN OFFICER a) Are Officers ever directly involved with law enforcement? Based on what I was told by my recruiter, and also based on what I gleaned from some earlier posts written on this forum, the Officer position appears to be more adminstrative in nature. Does this mean that Officers are never directly involved with ship boarding and other law enforcement activities? b) Where are you stationed? I understand that the concept behind all reserve positions is to allow an individual to still be able to conduct their civilian life and, as such, positions are taken within a close proximity to home. While this may be the concept -- or, the theory, if you will -- is this how it plays out in practice? Or, if you graduate from the academy (and whatever C school you may subsequently attend) and there are not any needs for Officers in your 100-mile radius, do you get sent somewhere where a need does exist? c) Are you more apt to be deployed? As an Officer, are your chances of deployment greater or less than non-Officer, enlisted reserves? d) What are the pros and cons? Aside from such tangible and researchable factors as pay, what are the costs and benefits of joining the reserves as an Officer? And, in your own experience, was this a decision you were happy you made? Or for those of you who are not Officers, are you happy that you instead opted for a different position with the reserves? 3. SPECIFIC JOB INFORMATION - I have interest in a number of enlisted reserve positions, but only have a brochure description of each. What I was hoping to get are unfiltered, real life descriptions and opinions on some of them. a) Port Security b) Intelligence Specialist c) Boatswain's Mate d) Marine Science Technician e) Public Affairs Specialist As you can probably tell, many of my surface-level questions were answered during my recent visit with a recruiter, but what I felt was still missing was the spin-free information. I have a great deal of interest in joining the CG reserve, but I need to know -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that it is the right move for me at this stage of my life. I realize that I've asked many questions. Please know that I am extremely grateful for any help you can provide in answering at least some of them. Thank you again. |
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CG Forums Moderator Mom never liked you, you son of a... |
I guess it was easier for me to join than you are finding for yourself. I had already spent six years in the Army/Army Reserve and had gotten out. Two years later, I missed the camaraderie of the service and approached my wife about enlisting into one of the military Reserves. A co-worker talked me into enlisted into the CGR, and I've been here ever since. I joined three days after my son (firstborn) was born. He was 4 when I went to Saudi, 8 when I went to Haiti, and 15 on 9/11. He's always known me being in the CGR. I hope it will always be a positive memory in his life. Good luck in your decision! |
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Ya know I sopped reading this post half way through the first question.
You don't want to deploy? Join Wal-mart, Burger King, blah blah blah. I wish you would have read the thousands of previous forums related to some person asking exactly what you have asked and been told over and over again... Few have any sympathy for a cat unwilling to do the job or whine about if they have to. I wish you luck and great fortune to you and your family, just not with the USCG. |
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Ask the recuiter for a blank copy of an enlistment contract. Actually, here it is. Read it. Look at the worst case scenario and ask yourself if you are willing to sign that contract. Prett simple.
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JerryG - Nice post.
yn - Not as strongly as some, but I have concerns about someone asking allot of questions about deployments. I usually chalk it up to the usual uncertainty that goes with recruiting into a new organization. The Recruiters do their very best, but no one person can do it all. I know the answers to your questions are important to you, and to your family. Hopefully you will continue to get the info you need. JerryG gave you some great input, Mightyz some great advice. Look at the "worst" case scenario and make your decision based on that. IRT the PSU, have your recruiter schedule a visit to us. In fact, every person considering joining a PSU as their first CG unit should visit the unit first. BMCS PSU 301 |
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Basic Training |
Thank you very much for your feedback. As you can probably tell, I'm trying to make an informed decision on whether or not the CGR is right for me. While some of you may have already arrived at your own conclusions, I still have yet to. The purpose of posting on this forum was to get spin-free feedback. I welcome any future input from anyone else who may be able to assist me in making a decision one way or the other.
Also, I realize that much of what I have asked has been covered in previous posts. However, I feel that everyone's situation is different, and to assume that a "one size fits all" approach to inquiry is inappropriate for something as complicated as the military. Thank you again. |
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Recruiting Forum Moderator Authentic USCG Recruiter Minneapolis MN |
So does this mean you don't even trust the person(recruiter) that works for the service you are thinking of joining? Every applicant I recruit has to be the best, they are the ones that are going to go out to work for my family, my friends family and the american people. If they feel like they were lied to, BS's into joining, or really didn't want to do this, I don't want them in. At 2am in the morning they'd better be concentrating on the job at hand instead of worrying if they got screwed. Jerry had some GREAT advice. I was 5 years Navy and 3 years Army Guard, I've been in the CG for 15 years and plan to make a total of 30 years for retirement. The Coast Guard Reserve = mobilization, that's means they have to be ready to go to active duty when NEEDED. Whether deployed or called up they HAVE to go. Bottom line, if you don't think you could take getting deployed or called up, then you know the answer. CPO Kalbach |
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Basic Training |
I have spoken with 4 different recruiters now, all of which have provided me with different information. As a matter of fact, I just yesterday had a recruiter tell me, and I quote, "Recruiters are salesman. It's what we do. If we have a specific need to fill in a certain area, we'll make that need seem like the best option available to you."
So, to answer your question, yes, I do trust recruiters. I just think that they are good at painting the best picture possible. This is exactly why I posted on this website; to get information from folks that are (or at some point were) in the reserves (whereas all the recruiters I have spoken to were full-time active duty) and who are going to tell it like it is, not like how it can be or should be. |
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yn - While it is true that recruiters need to recruit to a need, those positions should be presented for what they are, nothing more. For the Reserve force, the CG has to fill the needs. If we need cooks and mechanics then the recruiters will be asked to find people to fill those billets. They should wait to find the very best to fill those jobs, and not try to twist a square peg into a round hole. For people wishing to join the CG Reserves, yet want a rating not aligned with our current needs, that person should take what they can get, wait for the right opening, or go to another service. But do it based on timely, accurate, and candid information. Kalbach is always on the mark, and gives very good advice. Look at "recent posts by this member" when clicking on his profile name and read some of his earlier posts. Given our current missions requirements, we need Reservists for mobilization. Whether overseas or here inconus, it will happen in the future. Whether for a natural disaster, force protection overseas, an increase in our MARSEC level here, or protecting all of those troops when they come home through inload ports, we will be called on and called up. If you can do it fine, if not wait for the right opportunity for you. There are many outstanding CG Reservists who never get mobilized or deployed, yet fill critical billets. Many are in a support capacity back here taking care of other Coasties, or filling LE and SAR billets at our frontline stations. But, my opinion is that those billets should first be offered to those folks who have deployed or have completed tours at deployable units. IRT your "salesman" recruiter, next time you talk to this person kindly invite him or her to join us for a weekend at PSU 301, assuming you are talking to one in the RI area, we can discuss how to properly present what we do to prospective Coasties.
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Basic Training |
Read that, so is the worst case that I sign up next month and then I can be activated indefinitely and for longer than 8 years b/c of current actions in Iraq and Afghanistan? |
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Basic Training |
Anything is possible, I would say that scenario is highly unlikely though.
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Basic Training |
Good to know. I think I need to get down to the local units and meet some folks ask some questions face to face. I just keep going through it all and after a bit of worry, I get back to wanting to do it and thinking that we'll all be together looking out for each other anyhow--isn't that what it's about? For NPS like me I think there's a feeling of going to "be alone," whereas you vets know and understand that you already have 2 families. I guess it takes a while for that confidence in others to get through. Is that fair, can you relate to your decision time? I wholeheartedly agree the last thing anyone needs is someone who is into it or unwillinging. In my mind some activities might be something you're not ecstatic about but, you have to be able to knuckle down and get through it. |
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Basic Training |
Here's some honest and unfiltered feedback...what's your hang-up?
The CG deploys people period End of story. Make peace with that before you start looking into officer commissions or potential rates; neither of which will matter if you opt not to join. Stop complicating the decision with talk of second families, feeling alone, going to Afghanistan, etc. At one time all of us harbored feelings of anxiety and lonliness...been there done that...but we made a decision for better or worse. You either reconcile your fears of joining or not. There's no middle ground. Good luck. |
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Basic Training |
No hang ups here. I was just asking about the extending of the enlistment in time of war from curiousity. I don't think in the current situation that's realistic, but if it go to the point where folks could not demob...I'm pretty sure a lot other folks will be getting dragged into uniform. The other stuff I was just sharing how I'm going through the "reconciliation process" you make it sound like I am wrong to view this as joining a team all pulling together and looking out for each other. I don't want to deploy if I'm alone and not being covered (I'm not Chuck Norris! I can understand that you probably get alot of post along the "help me decide" lines which you can't be expected to answer. |
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Well, the truth is that the only person who gives a sheeit about your career is you. |
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Basic Training |
True, that's no different anywhere. I'm not worried about you helping my advance. I was hoping fo a bit more brotherhood if the sheeit hit the fan on a deployment. |
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Basic Training |
Please don't misinterpret my comments. I never said you shouldn't consider the issues you outlined; in fact I believe you'd be remiss not to consider all angles. However, there comes a time when you must make a decision. Many Coasties here provided you with what you asked for: Honest feedback.
Honestly I find your posts hard to follow. Sounds to me like you want someone to give you a bunch of warm fuzzies. Regardless, you must understand that mobilization is real and likely. Let me simplify it a bit by reminding you that when Uncle Sam calls you don't get a choice to stay or go and you stay as long as necessary Look, no one here wants to beat you up but you complicate the issue. My advice is to acknowledge the military life, recognize what the CG offers/requires, and accept what you already know. Again, good luck and I'll respect your decision to join or not. It's completely up to you. |
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Basic Training |
No I read you, and I wasn't trying to be argumentative. Glad to have the feedback. I've got to get down to the recruiter ask all the questions and see what available, and what I'm suited for. My point was that even after going through the natural conerns I come back to wanting to do it. So yes perhaps like you said that's the point where you just put the worries to the side and get onboard--there's no safety guarantees in these times anyway. There are jobs/roles I'd prefer to do with the CG but yes, sometimes you've got to earn that by doing whatever it takes first. The first challenge I've got is to get through the medical anyhow... at 38 thats no guarantee either--in shape or not! Thanks again. |
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Basic Training |
Roger that, I was 35 when I joined, NPS, and never had a problem with medical, exceeding the under 30 PT standards or the LE PT standards. You get out of it what you put in to it.
My only concern is the varied answers you seem to get from the different recruiters. I understand you talked with four already. Perhaps you should get with one of the recruiters who posts on these boards, try the Recruiters Desk, and ask for guidance. Hopefully you won't require too many waivers if at all but again you need to get with a recruiter. These boards don't sub for the real person. Once you get all the preliminary hurdles crossed (paperwork, MEPS, etc.) then worry about jobs, billets and the like. Semper Paratus |
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