MY BUFF CREW WOULD UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO ADD "THE COLD WAR" TO YOUR LIST OF WARS...

WE FOUGHT THE RUSKIES ON THE GROUND FOR 7 DAYS A WEEK EVERY OTHER WEEK (SAC GROUND ALERT) AND IN THE AIR FROM THURSDAY NIGHT TAKEOFFS UNTIL TUESDAY NIGHT LANDINGS (SAC CROME DOME /HARD HEAD MISSIONS) BUT WE WERE YOUNG AND NAIVE, SO...

WE VOLUNTEERED TO CROSS-TRAIN INTO THE TALL TAIL D MODEL AND GO TO THE HOT WAR AS THE FIRST "ARC LITE" AUGMENTATION CREW IN 1968...

ANY OTHER SAC CREWMEMBERS OUT THERE? WE WERE ON THE MAY TO OCTOBER ROTATION IN 1968 AND IN 1969!

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VOTE TO ADD "THE COLD WAR" TO YOUR LIST OF WARS...

I second that request.

By-the-way I spent 4 years in SAC.

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Originally posted by RONCO:
MY BUFF CREW WOULD UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO ADD "THE COLD WAR" TO YOUR LIST OF WARS...

WE FOUGHT THE RUSKIES ON THE GROUND FOR 7 DAYS A WEEK EVERY OTHER WEEK (SAC GROUND ALERT) AND IN THE AIR FROM THURSDAY NIGHT TAKEOFFS UNTIL TUESDAY NIGHT LANDINGS (SAC CROME DOME /HARD HEAD MISSIONS) BUT WE WERE YOUNG AND NAIVE, SO...

WE VOLUNTEERED TO CROSS-TRAIN INTO THE TALL TAIL D MODEL AND GO TO THE HOT WAR AS THE FIRST "ARC LITE" AUGMENTATION CREW IN 1968...

ANY OTHER SAC CREWMEMBERS OUT THERE? WE WERE ON THE MAY TO OCTOBER ROTATION IN 1968 AND IN 1969!

I really don't have too much of an opinion on the Cold War as a designation of Conflicts. After all, the Cold War was more political than it was really man on man. It was an era that encompassed the War in Korea, the War in South Vietnam, the war against the HUKs in PI, the Central American Conflicts, and even in our own back yard with the likes of the VVAW and others.

In June 1965, the 26th to be exact, I, while a member of the 2nd Battalion 8th Marines, was sent north of the Arctic Circle to play games on an island on the East side of northern Norway, just 10 miles from the Soviet Union, and each day more than several of those big a_s Soviet Bombers would fly over our head.

I don't know? Would that be considered a conflict with the Soviets? Or, would it be the training for the sought after eventual fight with the Soviets? I mean, just by the observance of Bombers overhead did not make that a conflict; it only meant that we saw planes in the sky!

Most respectfully,
Joe Carey

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Yes, definatly add the "Cold War". It's the only war that we've won in the past few decades.

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Yes, definatly add the "Cold War". It's the only war that we've won in the past few decades.

When I left Vietnam we were winning, come to think of it, when the combat troops left Vietnam we were winning! And, I am sure that there are some Cubans in the Carib Island of Greneda that would disagree with you, as well as some burnt up corpses of Iraqi Soldiers in Kuwait that most certainly will disagree with you!

We did our missions and we did them well no matter what the constraints were. In Vietnam, the enemy never won a major battle, and they never won any territory while we were there. They were welcomed to the hills and the unpopulated areas of the country. The country of Vietnam did not fall for a year and a half after our combat forces left, and only because the US Congress forbid us from going in and saving our ally in South Vietnam. In Greneda the whole thing was over in relative short time. In Kuwait it only took 100 hours to complete the mission against entrenched troops of the 4th largest army in the world. even in Iraq, the government was thrown out inside of almost Four weeks of fighting through the population centers of the country, and it was a Brigade from the Seventh Cav that took the City of Baghdad against some very fierce fighting. All of our fights are the things that History is made of and from. It is the politics of the situation that sucks!

The only loser I see here is you, not the US Military!

We win our wars, the Congress and the American public lose them!

Joe Carey

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Originally posted by Joe_Carey:

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Originally posted by pken:
Yes, definatly add the "Cold War". It's the only war that we've won in the past few decades.

When I left Vietnam we were winning, come to think of it, when the combat troops left Vietnam we were winning! And, I am sure that there are some Cubans in the Carib Island of Greneda that would disagree with you, as well as some burnt up corpses of Iraqi Soldiers in Kuwait that most certainly will disagree with you!

We did our missions and we did them well no matter what the constraints were. In Vietnam, the enemy never won a major battle, and they never won any territory while we were there. They were welcomed to the hills and the unpopulated areas of the country. The country of Vietnam did not fall for a year and a half after our combat forces left, and only because the US Congress forbid us from going in and saving our ally in South Vietnam. In Greneda the whole thing was over in relative short time. In Kuwait it only took 100 hours to complete the mission against entrenched troops of the 4th largest army in the world. even in Iraq, the government was thrown out inside of almost Four weeks of fighting through the population centers of the country, and it was a Brigade from the Seventh Cav that took the City of Baghdad against some very fierce fighting. All of our fights are the things that History is made of and from. It is the politics of the situation that sucks!

The only loser I see here is you, not the US Military!

We win our wars, the Congress and the American public lose them!

Joe Carey

Joe, you've got a chip on your shoulder. You put far too much into what I said.

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Joe, you've got a chip on your shoulder. You put far too much into what I said.

No! I have no chip on my shoulder! I only have a highly developed propensity to correct erroronious statements! We are the best and the brightest Military in the world, and by the fact that we are Americans, we are the most couragious, and the most generous peoples of the world.

We fight with the constrains given to us to fight within, and it is rare that we faulter in our duty to complete our missions with honor and as perscribed.

For someone to read your statement that knows not what the real truth is, is to receive a false idea of what we can do and what we have done. Your statement was simply stating that we were losers! I take take a severe difference with that line of thought!

The Americans have been in wars for almost every ten years of our existance as a Republic, and not other than with the Spanish Amnerican war did we take more land then was needed to bury our dead in the cause of Liberty for others.

South Korea is still a very prosporous country with its borders in tack because of the American fighting man. We went there to take back Korea from the invading forces that attacked that country and we did it. Mission complete!

Vietnam, as I have said before was a mission frought with constrains to protect the government of South Vietnam, and we did that mission and we left. And, it was a year and a half after we left that the North Vietnamese ever took an inch of ground in South Vietnam, and that mostly with the assistnce of our Democrat Congress.

Even if we go into a country such as Iraq, we will eventually leave a country that is able to be its own nation.

How you define not winning is beyond me! We did everything we were supposed to do, and no one beat us down as we were standing there doing our duty!

Where have we not won victories in decades?

Joe Carey

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We've won victories.....we've won battles.......and we've won incursions.

Wars?

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We've won victories.....we've won battles.......and we've won incursions.

Wars?

The last legal war we were in was started December 7th 1941, BUT since December 31 1946, the official end of that 'War' There has been no wars. Korea was a Police Action, Vietnam was a Conflict all the way up to the Congressional Resolution of Terrorism! Least we not forget that the Congress does know what the word war means and they can actually say it. Hell! There was the War on Drugs, and the War on Poverty, and the current War on the George Bush Presidency! Yet, they can not call a situation where people are shooting at our US Servicemen a WAR! WTF? Over!

I think you're finally grasping what I said. Now, if you'll retract calling me a loser......which was an unwarranted PERSONAL attack on me. I am however, thick skinned!

Pken, the old lawyer trick question is: "Yes or No, are you still beating your wife?

There is no real answer to that question that will do you any good, if you answer yes, that means that you do beat your wife, and if you answer no, that means that you were beating your wife, but you haven't done so lately!

The statement you made was: Yes, definatly add the "Cold War". It's the only war that we've won in the past few decades.

The problem with this statement is that we never fought a Cold War, and it was never a declared war the same as was World War II. It falls into the same list as that of Korea, Vietnam, and others, including our current adventures! There was no victory in the Cold War, only a temporary lull in the hostilities as Putin is now gearing up for round two in the political Rhetoric that was the Cold War.

Military Victories! We have had plenty along the way in the last couple of decades. Perhaps the only real defeat that we suffered was in Iran under President Carter, and that was to the elements, not to an armed enemy!

I stll say that your wording sucked: Quote "Yes, definatly add the "Cold War". It's the only war that we've won in the past few decades." To the uneducated, it would actually seem like it was a war won! It was not! It was not even a war!

Korea, for all intents and purposes was a war. Men died to take back a country from aggressor forces, and we did our mission! South Korea is a free and a prosporous nation today because of the lose of American Lives, while North Korea is still an armed camp of starving people!

Vietnam! Like I said, we were winning when I left, and we were winning when the US Congress cut off the funds to both the American Ground ttroops and the South Vietnamese, and they disallowed the Americans to come back and to punish the North Vietnamese for any violations of the Peace Accord they had signed. You do remember us signing a Peace Accord do you not?

Kuwait was the same as was Korea, we removed an aggressor nation from a country that they took with force, and a Truce was signed to remove the aggressors from the country, and yet, they violate that Truce on so many occations during its twelve years in effect with no more than a hand slap for their indescreations during the apeasment era of US Politics, finally a President stepped in and ended the political rhetoric!

By your definition and by mine, there was no Cold War! Yet, the US has done well for all the DISPUTES that they have conducted themselves well in since oou last WAR!

If you wish to retract you claim of the Cold War being the only war won in decades, I am sure that I will retract mine!

As I said....you have a chip on your shoulder. Oh yes, you'll go far!

I'll just ignore you from now on.

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The problem with this statement is that we never fought a Cold War

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN... I RISKED MY LIFE DAILY FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS ON A SAC COMBAT CREW THAT STOOD DOWN ONLY AFTER WE HAD WON THE COLD WAR YOU SAY WE NEVER FOUGHT...YOU SHOULDA BEEN A LAWYER FOR THE ACLU

ARC LIGHT WAS A HOT MISSION AND I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WAR...SEEMED LIKE A WAR TO ME

GROUND AND AIRBORNE ALERT WAS A COLD MISSION AND I DONATED OVER 4000 HOURS IN THE AIR, AND COUNTLESS 7 DAY ALERT SHIFTS IN THE MOLE HOLE, READY TO STRIKE THE WELL-KNOWN ENEMY WE FACED IN THE WAR YOU WERE UNAWARE OF

GUESS IT IS ALL IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND VOCABULARY...THANKS FOR SERVING BUT NO THANKS ON YOUR POLITICS

IF YOU WERE ON A B-52 COMBAT CREW IN THE SIXTIES AND EARLY SEVENTIES, YOU WERE A PART OF ARC LIGHT AND THE COLD WAR

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Originally posted by RONCO:

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The problem with this statement is that we never fought a Cold War

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN... I RISKED MY LIFE DAILY FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS ON A SAC COMBAT CREW THAT STOOD DOWN ONLY AFTER WE HAD WON THE COLD WAR YOU SAY WE NEVER FOUGHT...YOU SHOULDA BEEN A LAWYER FOR THE ACLU

ARC LIGHT WAS A HOT MISSION AND I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WAR...SEEMED LIKE A WAR TO ME

GROUND AND AIRBORNE ALERT WAS A COLD MISSION AND I DONATED OVER 4000 HOURS IN THE AIR, AND COUNTLESS 7 DAY ALERT SHIFTS IN THE MOLE HOLE, READY TO STRIKE THE WELL-KNOWN ENEMY WE FACED IN THE WAR YOU WERE UNAWARE OF

GUESS IT IS ALL IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND VOCABULARY...THANKS FOR SERVING BUT NO THANKS ON YOUR POLITICS

IF YOU WERE ON A B-52 COMBAT CREW IN THE SIXTIES AND EARLY SEVENTIES, YOU WERE A PART OF ARC LIGHT AND THE COLD WAR

Look! I am not going to get into whom it is that has the most impressive war record here, and whom it was that saw more of the enemy that the other. I am saying that the Cold War was a Political Era, not a war, just like the Iron Curtain was nothing more that a border of a certain number of countries under the Communist Empire, and for those of you that think that Russia will not rise again for round Two, you may well be placing your head in the ground one more time.

Please tell me that there was a declaration of war in the Cold War that was anything near that the Golf of Tonkin Resolution or the Resolution on Iraq. Please show me the resolution by our US Congress that established a COLD WAR!

Believe me! I know what a GD War looks like! I have seen the blood run in streams down the sides of hills. I have seen men torn apart! I have have smelled the bad breath of the enemy in my face, and I have killed the enemy with my hands! Please don't tell me that I do not know what a war is, or that I am any less an American than anyone else here on these boards, or even that I have a chip on my shoulder. I have watched the enemy's eyes go blank!

Please tell me that the American Military does not do all those same things that you did still, even after the supposed Cold War is over!

ACLU Lawyer in deed!!!

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THANKS FOR SERVING, JOE

I OBVIOUSLY AM INVISIBLE TO YOUR EYES...I AM MOVING ON.