Riiiiight.....

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Originally posted by sabrestrike6:
Well, I didn't start off to cause an argument. I would certainly expect a pro infantry answer if I were on the Infantry board. The facts are simple, Scouts are trained in more tasks than are Infantrymen. While we all share our burdens in combat, the dismounted guys definetly have a hard job. I am a Tanker,Armor is my calling. Having a secondary MOS of 11B I grew to appreciate the motto of "Death Before Dismount".
Our 19Ds are among the finest the Army has to offer. That is not meant as an affront to any other MOS. We are pro Armor, that is who and what we are. If you don't agree, just don't. Otherwise go back to where you came. We are the home of firepower, shock effect and maneuver. The Combat Arm of Decision!

Other than the fact a lot of Cav Scouts I've worked with have a thing for growing mustaches, Infantrymen and Cav Scouts are nearly identical these days. As an 11B in Iraq, my Infantry platoon had MK-19s, .50 Cals, and even LRAS thermal sites mounted on our vehicles. I wasn't in a Delta company either, which is even closer related to a Cav Scouts Mission. We're also trained in Call For Fire. Most Scouts I talked to wish they would switch to 11Series so promotions would come quicker, especially for senior NCOs. They all agreed that the Cav tradition should stay alive if it were to happen. Maybe it will happen when Cav OSUT moves down to Benning. I think if Cav Scouts became part of the Infantry, they should keep the Cav traditions alive if you're assigned to the Delta Company of an Infantry battalion.

Attitude! One group thinks it is the be all end all, the other is. I'll keep my infantry opinion on which is which and let the others argue it out. See infantry can be smart!

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Infantry always a ground pounder.Scouts are on wheels.

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Originally posted by patriot7848:
Other than the fact a lot of Cav Scouts I've worked with have a thing for growing mustaches, Infantrymen and Cav Scouts are nearly identical these days.

Ill agree about the mustaches, which is just creepy in a CHIMO kinda way. I am assigned to a Cavalry unit, but I am in an Infantry company. From what Ive seen the cav guys do things a lot differently than we do. As was said befor, cav drives everywhere. As for the grunts, we carry everything we need on our backs and go places the cav dudes cant. Thats basically the difference. They can go faster, we can go more places. They have heavier weapons, we are more stealthy. Take your pick.

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Originally posted by runfuret:

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Originally posted by patriot7848:
Other than the fact a lot of Cav Scouts I've worked with have a thing for growing mustaches, Infantrymen and Cav Scouts are nearly identical these days.

Ill agree about the mustaches, which is just creepy in a CHIMO kinda way. I am assigned to a Cavalry unit, but I am in an Infantry company. From what Ive seen the cav guys do things a lot differently than we do. As was said befor, cav drives everywhere. As for the grunts, we carry everything we need on our backs and go places the cav dudes cant. Thats basically the difference. They can go faster, we can go more places. They have heavier weapons, we are more stealthy. Take your pick.

I did bro, I'm a PFC now

Cav

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:

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Originally posted by runfuret:

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Originally posted by patriot7848:
Other than the fact a lot of Cav Scouts I've worked with have a thing for growing mustaches, Infantrymen and Cav Scouts are nearly identical these days.

Ill agree about the mustaches, which is just creepy in a CHIMO kinda way. I am assigned to a Cavalry unit, but I am in an Infantry company. From what Ive seen the cav guys do things a lot differently than we do. As was said befor, cav drives everywhere. As for the grunts, we carry everything we need on our backs and go places the cav dudes cant. Thats basically the difference. They can go faster, we can go more places. They have heavier weapons, we are more stealthy. Take your pick.

I did bro, I'm a PFC now

Cav

a PFC in the Infantry

Runfuret

No bro,Proud Fing Civilian now.
No Infantry in my blood.

Cav

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:
Runfuret

No bro,Proud Fing Civilian now.
No Infantry in my blood.

Cav

Oh well, we cant all be perfect

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Originally posted by runfuret:

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:
Runfuret

No bro,Proud Fing Civilian now.
No Infantry in my blood.

Cav

Oh well, we cant all be perfect

Brother I am perfect, I'm Ex-Artillery

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:

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Originally posted by runfuret:

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:
Runfuret

No bro,Proud Fing Civilian now.
No Infantry in my blood.

Cav

Oh well, we cant all be perfect

Brother I am perfect, I'm Ex-Artillery

Yeah, perfectly crazy heh.

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Originally posted by runfuret:

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:

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Originally posted by runfuret:

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Originally posted by CavtheMercenary:
Runfuret

No bro,Proud Fing Civilian now.
No Infantry in my blood.

Cav

Oh well, we cant all be perfect

Brother I am perfect, I'm Ex-Artillery

Yeah, perfectly crazy heh.

Permission to come aboard....Runferet I'm considering the CA Guard & I wanted to know is the 1/18 Cavarly a Cav Scout Unit or an Infantry Unit with Scouts? Also I belive you mentioned the 1-160th LRS Unit, do you know if they consider new troops or do they prefer seasoned soldiers before consideration, and my last question, have you spent anytime training with 1-184th Inf.?
I'm in the CA SMR but am looking to cross over in the next year, I've seen some guys from your unit with the double bolts patch like yours but I thought they were out of the Inglewood armory & at the last drill I noticed some of the guys with maroon berets. Are some airborne or are they a part of the 160th LRS?

Thanks for your service,

I1

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Originally posted by Ignite1:
Permission to come aboard....Runferet I'm considering the CA Guard & I wanted to know is the 1/18 Cavarly a Cav Scout Unit or an Infantry Unit with Scouts? Also I belive you mentioned the 1-160th LRS Unit, do you know if they consider new troops or do they prefer seasoned soldiers before consideration, and my last question, have you spent anytime training with 1-184th Inf.?
I'm in the CA SMR but am looking to cross over in the next year, I've seen some guys from your unit with the double bolts patch like yours but I thought they were out of the Inglewood armory & at the last drill I noticed some of the guys with maroon berets. Are some airborne or are they a part of the 160th LRS?

Thanks for your service,

I1

1-18th Cav (RSTA) is a Cavalry unit. A Troop and B Troop are mounted Cav scouts (19D), and C Troop (me) is dismounted Infantry scouts (11B). So essentailly we are a Cav Squadron with a company of Infantry in it. I don't know much about those other units, but I'm sure they are all proficient in their own way.

C Troop basically does the same job as a marine STA platoon, or a LRS unit, and many of our guys were chosen by our 1SG because we had prior experience in the military, but we have lots of joes too. I would think any unit you want to try and get into would take a certain number of new soldiers. None of the units that I know of in my Squadron are Airborne, so you probably saw the 160th dudes with the maroon berets.

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Originally posted by sabrestrike6:
Scouts are far more highly trained than Infantrymen. As an old tanker getting older everyday I do remember the name of the first tank I ever named way back in the day in 5/32 AR "Beats Walkin"> The sad thing about it all was I was soon sent to Korea up in the western Corridor and was the only 19K in the entire BDE.

I believe that this should be listed under misconceptions. I spent my last deployment with, and am currently in a recon cav sqdrn. I am an 11b and have worked intensively with 19d's in Iraq and while training. My platoon essentialy serves as an Infantry LRS/scout platoon for the squadron which is responsible for brigade recon missions in Iraq. I would say that 19d's are good on the ground, but better with vics. I would say infantry scouts are the best on the ground and ok with vics. I will say that I think that after a little while in Iraq, our 19d's counterparts were doing the same stuff as us, and vice versa. From an infantryman's point of view, I do think it is funny that a guy can just join the army and call himself a "scout" as a 19d just after AIT. To be an infantry scout, you have to earn the right and prove yourself through unit tryouts, or by approval of your chain of command, or being a Ranger, etc. Once you are there, you typically go through much specialized training to complement your skills as a scout such as sniper, RSLC, Ranger school, and more.

To clarify, I have some good buddies that are 19d's and I think they're great. However, if you are talking about the title of "Scout" and the training that goes with it then I think that 11b's are more highly trained and are also selected more carefully.

Due to newly created Recon Cav Squadrons in Light Infantry brigades, I do think that the 19d world will soon align itself with 11 series again based on the types of missions that 19d's are conducting in Iraq.

Any other 11b's want to comment?

Your right, the title "Scout" is isnt something you get out of AIT. Cheers.

Interesting reading about the evolution of the Cavalry Scout. I am an old 11-Delta, from the Vietnam War; (actually trained on M114 Scout Vehicles with a T-bar steering mechanism) operated on M113A-1 ACAVs. Loads of fire power with a .50 Caliber and two M-60s on each vehicle. Each platoon had 3 tanks, 4- Scout vehicles, a command track, an Infantry Squad (an ACAV full of 11-Bravos), and an M82 mortar track. We were rarely outgunned.

Yes, we would drive out to our AO, then dismount and perform our Search and Destroy on foot. Back then Scouts qualified for the CIB. Problem was, with all the noise and dust, Charlie knew we were on the way and rarely stood and fought. We rode in column, and patroled on foot in the appropriate formation; on-line, during and assault, or in column on patrol.

So, in our unit 1/1 Cavalry, the only difference between the Scouts and Infantry Squad was the MOS designation; 11B or 11D. I walked my share of point, and crawled into enough tunnels to know that we had no distinction.

Now, that is not to say that there is no distinction between a mounted Scout and a straight-leg in an Infantry unit.

I just want to tell you active duty and deployed GIs that we are all proud of the job that you are doing, and hope you all return safely after you mission is completed. And, I want to thank you and the veterans on this thread for your service to the country. God Bless you all, and God Bless America.

wow thats special in the infantry you learn a new skill you get a mos 11b,11c,11d,11e,11h,11m thats great in the cavalry we just say 19delta

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Originally posted by BMP612:
wow thats special in the infantry you learn a new skill you get a mos 11b,11c,11d,11e,11h,11m thats great in the cavalry we just say 19delta

Most of those MOSs are gone now.