Can you be both? I have a book that I bought but have not started it yet. Can you be Mormon and a MAson?

k_9MP:---No. At least not in the State of Utah. The Masons know that the L.D.S. (Mormons) founders (Joseph Smith & co.) stole the Masonic apron and ceremony/words and made it part of the L.D.S. Temple ceremony.

My source? My Dad,Grandpa,Uncle---Masons.

More info about Mormons and Masons can be found at:

http://www.saintsalive.com/

http://www.utlm.org/

An individual can be both a mason and a member of the LDS church(mormons). All grand lodges in the USA accept applications (petitions) from men regardless of their individual religious beliefs (provided that the petitioner believes in God).

If you need information for your particular state, I suggest that you contact the lodge in your city, or your Grand Lodge. You may also wish to contact the bishop at your local LDS meetinghouse.

The information contained on the websites in the preceding post are from anti-masonic sources, and cannot be taken as authoritative.

Go to DeseretBook.com and search the #4985116 Mormons and Masons the book is on sale.
And mormon.org you can fell the Spirit.

Yes, you can be both LDS and a Mason. there have been issues in the past from both sides (Much the same as Catholicism and Masonry), however, there ar eno restrictions on the Masonic side here in Utah. Some local church leaders on the LDS side will attempt to restrict membership, but thats their problem, not Masonrys.


Steve
Joppa Lodge #26
Price, Utah

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Originally posted by k_9MP:
Can you be both? I have a book that I bought but have not started it yet. Can you be Mormon and a Mason?

Yes, because the two are separate and distinct groups. Freemasory is a fraternal organization and the LDS / Mormon Church is a religion. Freemasonry is not a religion. I am a Freemason who just happens to be Catholic. Yes, one can be both a Freemason and Catholic. Some individuals and Catholic clergy tend not to agree with being a Mason and Catholic. However, on the other hand, Freemasonry allows any man who believes in a supreme being to belong and this concept includes all religions. I am not aware of the Catholic church issuing edicts informing it's members what fraternal organizations they can or cannot belong too. If there is any doubt, ask your church is there are any such edicts. If not, there is nothing to fear. If there is such and edict, make a decision. Anyway, I could be wrong, but I believe that religious organizations should mind their own business and teach religion rather then control it's members activities. My .02 cents. Here is a link to Freemasonry and Mormonism.
http://www.freemason.org/cfo/may_june_2001/mormon.htm

Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

Do you belive in a supreme being? Are you a man of good morale character? Do you meet the current age requirement for the Grand Lodge of your state?

If you answered yes to all of these questions, you too can become a Mason!

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Masons were necessary during the Revolution so as to make a clean break from England. Their secret handshakes, etc.. all served to benefit sumbersive agendas. The 1800's brought about Religious fanatasism and hundreds of religions evolved. WW I and II sobered things up a bit, then the 1960's revolution evolved spirituality to another level.

So, IMO, Masonic Lodge 33% is old and outdated. Glorifying the days of yesteryear.

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Sum

Bash the masons on another site, not here.

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Masons were necessary during the Revolution so as to make a clean break from England. Their secret handshakes, etc.. all served to benefit sumbersive agendas. The 1800's brought about Religious fanatasism and hundreds of religions evolved. WW I and II sobered things up a bit, then the 1960's revolution evolved spirituality to another level.

So, IMO, Masonic Lodge 33% is old and outdated. Glorifying the days of yesteryear.

This topic is about LDS and Freesonry. Please refrain from non-topic related commentaries. I direct you to read the General Rules:

Re: Criticisms Of Freemasonry - While this is predominantly a forum for Masons, we recognize the occasion when non-Masons seeking information, or desire to enter into discussion on this forum. However, an attack on any Mason or Freemasonry will subject violators to removal from the forum. Also, please avoid SHOUTING on this forum.

Please heed the warning. Thank you.

Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

Thanks, I finished reading the book and they did not specify either way.

Interested in learning more...

Thanks again

I wouldn't consider it a forum. It is more of a propoganda tool. The OPS are incredibily sensitive about opinions that try to invite honest discussion. That makes me wonder. Masons are free to serve in the military and play their cover-up-for-bad-behavior games. But don't rattle their cage. It's a sacred cow. This country does not revolve around sacred cows.

This thread isn't that evolved much anyway. Joe Smith was a criminally mischeivous "prophet" who stole Masonic rituals and implemented them into his Temple worship. I strongly believe that Masons wrote the Book of Mormons and Smith literally stole it and ran off with it.

Just honest discussion here. Why is it just about non-Masons seeking info?? Do you have to be a Mason to have an opinion about Masons?

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Originally posted by Sumati:
I wouldn't consider it a forum. It is more of a propoganda tool. The OPS are incredibily sensitive about opinions that try to invite honest discussion. That makes me wonder. Masons are free to serve in the military and play their cover-up-for-bad-behavior games. But don't rattle their cage. It's a sacred cow. This country does not revolve around sacred cows.

This thread isn't that evolved much anyway. Joe Smith was a criminally mischeivous "prophet" who stole Masonic rituals and implemented them into his Temple worship. I strongly believe that Masons wrote the Book of Mormons and Smith literally stole it and ran off with it.

Just honest discussion here. Why is it just about non-Masons seeking info?? Do you have to be a Mason to have an opinion about Masons?

In reply: "The purpose of this response is not an exhaustive defense of Freemasonry, because none is required. Rather, it is to explain the goals of the organization within the context of recent criticism. Indeed, the institution of Freemasonry is not above criticism simply because it is a human institution and like all such institutions, imperfect and open to improvement. Criticize us if you wish, but more importantly, continue your examination of our fraternity. We certainly have nothing to hide and are justifiably proud of our ancient heritage. I would ask one favor, though. Please do not knowingly misrepresent our fraternity and claim and to be doing the work of whatever religion and supreme being you believe in. This is not only a disservice to the fraternity, but to society as a whole and goes against the concept that religious beliefs can serve to elevate the cause of mankind. Freemasonry is a unique institution, generating a deep loyalty among its members and an equally great misunderstanding among non-members. We realize that it may be difficult for those with strong individualistic religious and moral convictions to believe that a group of men meeting behind closed doors could be doing anything good. And yet, that is precisely the work we are pursuing. Good work, based on the teachings of the Holy Bible, that takes good men and makes them better men, husbands, fathers, sons and brothers. Incredible, isn’t it that there is still an organization dedicated to the encouragement of religious, family and civic values? And yet, this is exactly what we have been doing since the middle ages when we were a fraternity of operative stone workers with a heritage dating back to biblical times based on a solid foundation of a belief in the same God who created all of us. Unfortunately, zealous critics like yourself and others will go well beyond what a reasonable person might do by fabricating vicious lies about our gentle fraternity that are wholly untrue and unproven and based entirely on hearsay, rumor and innuendo. What a shame and what a waste this practice is because when we could be about doing good works in the world, we are instead being forced to defend the principles of our Masonic institution. Tolerance is one of the major underlying principles of Freemasonry. Freemasonry teaches its followers tolerance even of its assailants. The standard Masonic response to detractors has historically been to ignore critics and turn the other cheek to those who speak ill of the craft, preferring to let them wallow in their own ignorance and stupidity. However, the level of maliciousness and deceitfulness has grown to the point where a response is overdue and demanded by the harsh attacks leveled at our fraternity by the terminally misinformed. We are astonished and perplexed at the level of hatred directed toward us supposedly in the name of religion. This willful fraud does not serve a supreme being like God, or man constructively, but instead reinforces the powers of evil; against which mankind must continually struggle. Using the name of religion as a justification for a so-called holy mission against the “evils” of Freemasonry is probably one of the best definitions of the word “blasphemy”. Each and every comment about the evils of Freemasonry works against God’s holy teachings, because all Masons hold God in the highest reverence and trust Him above all else. We have no other hidden agenda, no treasures, no idols and no pagan rituals. What goes on in our lodge rooms are only labors designed to improve the moral character and lives of our members---nothing else. We lead each man as an individual to the Holy Scriptures, whatever his beliefs in a Supreme Being, and ask that he lead his life by the teachings he finds in those pages as he finds them there. We trust that he WILL find them and employ them through diligent prayer and application in his daily life. Repeated attacks on Freemasonry by religious fundamentalists are a total waste of time. Individuals purportedly speaking for everyone else in society do nothing for the service of religion and only serve to alienate those who truly DO serve Him. Perhaps we incur your wrath because of Masonry’s pluralistic nature, believing that man will chose to serve God in his own way as he understands God’s holy teachings, rather than adhere to a strict dogma promulgated by a single belief. Maybe it is because we do not allow prostylization in our lodge rooms, preferring instead to let each brother cleave to the faith of his choice and practice it to the best of his ability. But one thing we WILL NOT suffer is an agenda of hatred and intolerance imposed on us by religious hypocrites acting in the holy name of God. If that is a battle we must wage, then let it begin HERE. It is important for you to know that Masonry does not teach Salvation by works. Rather, it teaches that it is important for each man to do good in the world because we have a duty to make the lives of others better. By so doing, we each ratify God’s choice to give us free will as free men by making right choices. If salvation comes along with the good works, that is fine, but even if it didn’t, these are the kinds of things we would be doing anyway because we love God unconditionally. Our critics say that Masonic teaching is incompatible with biblical teaching, but they confuse religious teaching with teaching about religions. Masonry does not offer information about the various different religions, but we do offer religious teachings of the highest moral caliber based on chapters found in the Old Testament. If a brother wishes to pursue the teachings of Christianity found in the New Testament, that is his choice to make unencumbered by the fraternity and we encourage his every effort at religious enlightenment according to the scriptures he embraces. In closing, I believe the critics of Freemasonry need to take a closer look at the fraternity without any preconceptions or prejudices. If they do, they will see there is nothing to fear and little to criticize about what we believe. It is frighteningly true that the repeated attacks on the fraternity proves that it is being put on trial by the self-righteous extremists who hold little patience or tolerance for the moderate views of their fellow man and while expecting that they can bully us into their way of thinking through their agenda of hate and deceipt. Actually, by so doing, they violate the very precepts in whatever religous belief they choose to justify their attacks. So Mote it Be.

Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

P.S. - Prior post from Sumati under internal review for TOS / General Rules Violations.

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Originally posted by Sumati:
I wouldn't consider it a forum. It is more of a propoganda tool. The OPS are incredibily sensitive about opinions that try to invite honest discussion. That makes me wonder. Masons are free to serve in the military and play their cover-up-for-bad-behavior games. But don't rattle their cage. It's a sacred cow. This country does not revolve around sacred cows.

This thread isn't that evolved much anyway. Joe Smith was a criminally mischeivous "prophet" who stole Masonic rituals and implemented them into his Temple worship. I strongly believe that Masons wrote the Book of Mormons and Smith literally stole it and ran off with it.

Just honest discussion here. Why is it just about non-Masons seeking info?? Do you have to be a Mason to have an opinion about Masons?

I only have a few questions for 'Sumati':
Were you there when Joe Smith did whatever it is that you think he did to see it and be able to speak of it?

Were you there to see any Mason write the book of mormons?

Do you have anything valid to say that goes beyond your opinions and suppositions that is worth discussing in this or any forum?

Has any mason gone into your livingroom and question your way of life and insulted you with opinions and suppositions?

Why do you do it here in our livingroom? Remember that you are a guest here, not an owner.

The LDS Church has no position on Freemasonry. The Masonic Faternity in Utah rescinded its prohibition on Latter-day Saint's membership in 1984. The Grand Master-elect of Utah is LDS.