Hey there. I wandered on to this forum because my father is a Freemason - so is my grandfather and some of my uncles. When my father was younger, though, he was a DeMolay. I've done some research, but all I got was a lengthy biography of Jacques DeMolay. It didn't really do much in terms of explaining the differences bewteen the two orders. A couple years ago, my father asked me if I'd like to become a 'constellation'. I knew almost nothing about the existence of Masonic youth until I reached high school where one of the JROTC leaders was a DeMolay. Anyway, to get to the point, does anyone know the difference?

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Originally posted by lacitadel:
Hey there. I wandered on to this forum because my father is a Freemason - so is my grandfather and some of my uncles. When my father was younger, though, he was a DeMolay. I've done some research, but all I got was a lengthy biography of Jacques DeMolay. It didn't really do much in terms of explaining the differences bewteen the two orders. A couple years ago, my father asked me if I'd like to become a 'constellation'. I knew almost nothing about the existence of Masonic youth until I reached high school where one of the JROTC leaders was a DeMolay. Anyway, to get to the point, does anyone know the difference?

With all due respect, I refer you to make this inquiry of your father, grandfather and uncles who are Masons. If they can't answer that question, accompany them to the local lodge to converse with well informed Masons. Hope that helps.
Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Indiana Freemason
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Why not just point out the obvious, Terry - Youth organizations are for youth and a young man is recommended by a Mason to a DeMolay Chapter. A Rainbow is likewise recommended to Rainbow. A Job's Daughter is the daughter, grand-daughter, or niece of a Mason. Each order is built on virtues to be exemplified in life but each ritual is it's own distinct entity. Adult organizations are for adults and a good man wanting to be a better man asks of his own accord to join. A wife, a daughter, a sister, a mother, a widow of a Mason who are good women who want to be better women join Eastern Star - again with a totally unique ritual from that of the Masons. Closest of ties - entirely different.

I see that you are a young woman. Since your dad and grandfather are Masons, I hope that you will on your 18th birthday consider joining the Order of the Eastern Star - related by the dearest ties to the noble institution of Masonry but again its own unique organization and ritual - helping an already good woman become a better woman. I wouldn't change the decision I made to follow the Star when I was your age for anything! Our Masonic extended family IS a way of life!

Coleen, Past Matron
Arcadia Star #299, Arcadia, CA
Lexington #172, El Monte, CA

Check out:

www.demolay.org

The Order of DeMolay, is a masonically affiliated organization for young men 13-21. The applicant need not be related to a Mason, or be recommended by a Mason. The exact qualifications are spelled out on the web page.

The Job's Daughters is masonically affiliated organization for young ladies 13-21, the applicant must be related to a Mason. Daughter, sister, cousin, niece, step-daughter, etc.

The Order of the Rainbow for Girls is a masonically affiliated organization for young ladies 13-21. The applicant need NOT be related to a Mason.

The Constellation, is a masonically affiliated organization for young ladies 13-21. It exists only in the state of New York, and is sponsored by the Eastern Star of New York. As of now, it is only in New York State.

If you are over the age of majority, and are female, you may petition the Order of the Eastern Star, you need not be related to a mason. The exact requirements are spelled out on their website.

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Originally posted by CalDreaming02:
Why not just point out the obvious, Terry - Youth organizations are for youth and a young man is recommended by a Mason to a DeMolay Chapter. A Rainbow is likewise recommended to Rainbow. A Job's Daughter is the daughter, grand-daughter, or niece of a Mason. Each order is built on virtues to be exemplified in life but each ritual is it's own distinct entity. Adult organizations are for adults and a good man wanting to be a better man asks of his own accord to join. A wife, a daughter, a sister, a mother, a widow of a Mason who are good women who want to be better women join Eastern Star - again with a totally unique ritual from that of the Masons. Closest of ties - entirely different.

I see that you are a young woman. Since your dad and grandfather are Masons, I hope that you will on your 18th birthday consider joining the Order of the Eastern Star - related by the dearest ties to the noble institution of Masonry but again its own unique organization and ritual - helping an already good woman become a better woman. I wouldn't change the decision I made to follow the Star when I was your age for anything! Our Masonic extended family IS a way of life!

Coleen, Past Matron
Arcadia Star #299, Arcadia, CA
Lexington #172, El Monte, CA

Honorable Past Matron Coleen: Thank you for the explanation of this appendent bodies of Freemasonry. Actually, I am a man and not woman as your note suggested. I believe that you have convinced me to ask for a petition into the Eastern Star because I know of so many wonderful individuals both men and women who are in this order. Now, if I could get a petition to my wife of 30 years, that would indeed be an accomplishment. However, I believe that I will start by going into the order of Eastern Star first and go from there. Thanks for you nice explanation.
Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, Past Master
Centre Lodge No. 23 F&A.M.
Indianapolis, Indiana
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Originally posted by CalDreaming02:
Why not just point out the obvious, Terry - Youth organizations are for youth and a young man is recommended by a Mason to a DeMolay Chapter. A Rainbow is likewise recommended to Rainbow. A Job's Daughter is the daughter, grand-daughter, or niece of a Mason. Each order is built on virtues to be exemplified in life but each ritual is it's own distinct entity. Adult organizations are for adults and a good man wanting to be a better man asks of his own accord to join. A wife, a daughter, a sister, a mother, a widow of a Mason who are good women who want to be better women join Eastern Star - again with a totally unique ritual from that of the Masons. Closest of ties - entirely different.

I see that you are a young woman. Since your dad and grandfather are Masons, I hope that you will on your 18th birthday consider joining the Order of the Eastern Star - related by the dearest ties to the noble institution of Masonry but again its own unique organization and ritual - helping an already good woman become a better woman. I wouldn't change the decision I made to follow the Star when I was your age for anything! Our Masonic extended family IS a way of life!

Coleen, Past Matron
Arcadia Star #299, Arcadia, CA
Lexington #172, El Monte, CA

Thanks so much for your response! I didn't even know that order existed. I'm going to try looking it up. There aren't too many active Masonic lodges in my part of New Jersey, but I understand there's quite a few just across the river in New York City.

Terry,

I believe Sister Coleen was refering to the young lady who initially asked the question, not you.

Anyway, I think you will enjoy the OES. It is a very beautiful ritual and the ladies need as much help as the rest of our organization.

Let me know how it goes for you!

Br. Arthur Peterson

Lacitadel, Look Up Frank S. Land, the founder of the Order of DeMolay.

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Originally posted by BroAPeterson:
Terry,

I believe Sister Coleen was refering to the young lady who initially asked the question, not you.

Anyway, I think you will enjoy the OES. It is a very beautiful ritual and the ladies need as much help as the rest of our organization.

Let me know how it goes for you!

Br. Arthur Peterson

Bro. Art: Thanks for the clarification. I will indeed help out the OES, they are a wonderful group and any group like that would welcome help from a committed brother.
Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Indiana Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

Since there was an interest in DeMolay, I went ad found a brief bio on the founder, Frank S. Land. If this is in anyway copyrighted, please forgive me, for I have sinned.

The Order of DeMolay was founded in 1919, in Kansas City, Missouri, by a young man named Frank S. Land. Land was a community leader who, at the age of 28, already had a successful business career as a restaurateur behind him.

The main event that lead to the founding of the DeMolay movement was World War I. This was a time when the nation was caught up with a passion and desire to bring democracy to the world. When the United States joined in the fight against German power, every resource of men and materials was poured into the war effort. America suffered not only the loss of its men who had fallen in battle, but on the homefront as well. A positive response to this critical situation came about with the development of many charitable organizations. Frank S. Land was selected to act as the director of the Masonic Relief and Employment Bureau of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. This charity would come to help hundreds and hundreds of families.

Near the end of the war, Land became concerned with the problems of boys who had lost their fathers. He thought "how lonely it must be for a boy not to have a man to talk with, or a man to provide some type of inspiration and direction." Frank decided there was a need for an organization where boys would have the opportunity to associate with other boys, a place they could share common interests, learn responsibility and other skills that would benefit them throughout their lives. His ideal model for this organization included having business or professional men, Masons, taking interest in the young people, being a friend to them, advising them, and perhaps even providing them with employment opportunities.

In March, 1919, Land met with young Louis Lower. Louis' father had died, leaving the young man without a father figure in his life. Land took the time to listen to Louis, learn about his dreams, and to help him. He learned that others, like Louis, sought companionship, leadership, inspiration and competition. He asked Louis to invite some friends to a meeting, the original group of nine DeMolays: Louis G. Lower, Ivan M. Bentley, Edmund Marshall, Gorman A. McBride, Jerome Jacobson, William W. Steinhilber, Elmer Dorsey, Clyde C. Stream, and Ralph Sewell. At the second meeting, there was a total of 31 young men present. They were excited about their new club!

The group needed its own identity and its own name. After Dad Land related the story of Jacques DeMolay, the group decided to name itself for this historical figure connected with Masonry.

Dad Land, as he came to be called, provided the philosophy and principles to be embodied. As interest in DeMolay spread, Land answered many requests for information and authority to start chapters. Initiations and ceremonies took place in all locations. By the fall of 1920, Mother Chapter had developed activities for its members as well. These included an outstanding baseball team, a DeMolay marching unit, and even a 100-piece band!

By the end of 1921, Dad Land realized he had to devote full time to this new organization and become a full time DeMolay employee. As DeMolay chapters grew in numbers and strength, the organization as a whole grew in prestige. With this greater prestige, interest developed in the Masonic fraternity. Official recognition and approval by Masonic groups began giving their seal of approval to foster DeMolay in their states. Many distinguished organizations endorsed DeMolay including the General Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons, Grand Lodges, Knights Templar, etc.

A devoted champion of Freemasonry and of its teachings, Land would become a figure of international prominence within Masonry, eventually becoming Imperial Potentate of the Shrine of North America. He counted among his friends U.S. Congressmen, state governors, movie and radio stars, military leaders, leaders of industry, Presidents of the U.S. and a veritable legion of young men in their teens.

Dad Land worked tirelessly for the Order of DeMolay until his death on November 8, 1959. Hundreds of other devoted workers aided in the creation and extension of the Order of DeMolay, but looked to one man for guidance. Frank S. Land was the charismatic leader of the Order. Frank S. Land was truly a great man, a proud American, and a person who came to be known by millions, simply as "Dad". Frank Land's life touched, and continues to impact generation after generation of young people, young men looking to better themselves by emulating the lessons and examples by which he himself lived.



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For the complete biography of Frank S. Land, check out Hi, Dad, a paperback book available from the DeMolay and More Store.

hi i am kendall and apprently the only demolay on here so let me explain by asking you check out the demolay site at www.demolay.org and that DeMolay is an appendant body of the blue lodge for young men between the ages 12-21 that believe in god and are of good morale we believe and teach the lessons of fillial love, reverence for sacred things, courtesy, comradeship, cleanness, fidelity, and patriotism. since joining demolay 8 years ago, after i had joined cub/boy scouts and Jrotc and taekwondo, i have found that demolay provides me with the best lessons for me as a young man preparing me for my years of manhood. and yes i still worthily wear the Crown of Youth. to join DeMolay you do NOT have to have a masonic relative like Job's Daughter's which along with rainbow for girls is a masonic youth, the constelations and triangles and even the order of nathan hale are all mosonic youth frayernities and sororities. if you have any more questions i will be here.

also try the site www.freemasonpride.com that has a section specificaly for masonic youths like myself. OBTW Mr.Terry i got my petition for EA and i am filling it out right now, so now i gotta get my $50. i will be petition bartlett lodge #796 F&AM in tennessee (i believe thats the number

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Originally posted by southerndemolay:
also try the site www.freemasonpride.com that has a section specificaly for masonic youths like myself. OBTW Mr.Terry i got my petition for EA and i am filling it out right now, so now i gotta get my $50. i will be petition bartlett lodge #796 F&AM in tennessee (i believe thats the number

Congratulations Brother - Thanks for sharing this will all of us.
Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Indiana Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

as i said in case anyone has questions about the masonic youth orders especialy Demolay contact me and i can answer most of the questions. but yes demolay is supported by a sponsoring masonic body or church (though i have never heard of any but that does not mean they don't exist)and there acnnot be a demolay chapter meeting without an advisor present (usualy a master mason i.e. the chapter "DAD")

What would be the steps for a Demolay recommended by a Mason initiated into a Chapter but didn't follow through to enter into the Mason Chapter after the age of 21? Thanks

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
What would be the steps for a Demolay recommended by a Mason initiated into a Chapter but didn't follow through to enter into the Mason Chapter after the age of 21? Thanks

To follow through with a Mason after age 21. The requirements to begin the process is to be of lawful age (21 in most states), belief in a Supreme Being, and coming well recommended. All of which must be answered in the affirmative and on your own free will and accord.

Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
U.S. Army (Ret)
Hot Topics Moderator

short and sweet. also try www.freemasoninformation.com or www.masonicinfo.com