I've removed all my posts, concerning Charles. since we have a brother that believes he should send all our posting to our Grand Lodges, I always thought that this was a safe harbor. Any brothers
that would like to communicate with me feel free to email me. I will be back after I after I scan my last Grand Lodge Communication concerning Prince Hall and my written Proxy to my Sr Warden to vote No.
Fraternally
Bryan

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Originally posted by USNGunner1:
My question is can you say something, have a debate stay respectful and stay here or is it right for someone to take these conversations to your Grand Lodge? Should this brother contacted me first before going to the Grand Secretary?
Bryan

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It was stated: Concrete in California, our Grand lodge does not recognize lodges or Grand Lodges that does not recognize Prince Hall Masons.
GAC: Your Grand Secretary disagrees with you.

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Indeed, the Grand Secretary of California advises this is not a correct statement.

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The Grand Secretary e-mailed me 1 May.

In reply: I direct your attention to the general rules of this forum. I have posted an applicable summary of them below. With regards to your question, advice cannot be given, however, use your best judgement in the course of action you take. (See summary of general guidelines below):

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Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Major, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Hot Topics Moderator

My Brother, I do not see what alternative one had in this situation. You stated clearly that you were presenting concrete facts on the subject. Even when others stated that they believed you were in error, you continued to insist that your facts were accurate. So, what choice did one have but to check your facts at the source?

I don't think it was done with melicious intent. I believe it was only done to confirm the facts you were insisting were accurate. Any time I comment on my Grand Lodges rules, I prefer to quote the section of our code that supports my statement. This allows me to find out if my statement is accurate before I make it.

It's all good Brother. Live, learn, love.

Brother,

I would not have contacted your GL because frankly, what GLofCA does is no concern to me. However, the other Brother in question felt he needed to get confirmation from your GL. I don't feel his intent was malicious, but I am not involved. I suggest you both communicate and work it out as Brothers Privately. That is what I would do. The internet leaves a lot of room for miscommunication. I wish you both the best of luck as you work this out together.

FYI, your integrity was never in question with me and there is no need to prove your word. You did that at the altar as far as I am concerned.

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Originally posted by BroAPeterson:
My Brother, I do not see what alternative one had in this situation. You stated clearly that you were presenting concrete facts on the subject. Even when others stated that they believed you were in error, you continued to insist that your facts were accurate. So, what choice did one have but to check your facts at the source?

I don't think it was done with melicious intent. I believe it was only done to confirm the facts you were insisting were accurate. Any time I comment on my Grand Lodges rules, I prefer to quote the section of our code that supports my statement. This allows me to find out if my statement is accurate before I make it.

It's all good Brother. Live, learn, love.

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Originally posted by BroAPeterson:
FYI, your integrity was never in question with me and there is no need to prove your word. You did that at the altar as far as I am concerned.

I agree with the poster. Keep in mind that there are Masons and non-Masons on this forum, along with cowans and eavesdroppers, so govern yourselves accordingly. This reminds me of a saying that a wise attorney once told me and it goes like this, "Never say or do anything that you would not want read in open court."

Fraternally and sincerely,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

To be clear, I didn't forward any e-mails. I didn't give the poster's name when I discussed it with the Grand Secretary. I didn't even give the name of the e-mail list.

This was an issue affecting my jurisdiction and it did not appear the Cal GL Proceedings had been issued. Consequently, I believe the contact was appopriate and discreet. I did not send a formal letter, but an informal inquiry. I don't believe I could have been more low key in correcting the error.

I must say that if the brother had been correct, the Conference of Grand Masters would have been much more entertaining as letters withdrawing recognition were being mailed across the world.

FWIW, I believe the confusion was because the brother did not attend Grand Lodge. It is my understanding from discussing this with another senior brother at the AASR Leadership Conference in Seattle that the matter was on the agenda, but was not approved.

G.A. Cook

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Originally posted by cookslc:
To be clear, I didn't forward any e-mails. I didn't give the poster's name when I discussed it with the Grand Secretary. I didn't even give the name of the e-mail list.

This was an issue affecting my jurisdiction and it did not appear the Cal GL Proceedings had been issued. Consequently, I believe the contact was appopriate and discreet. I did not send a formal letter, but an informal inquiry. I don't believe I could have been more low key in correcting the error.

I must say that if the brother had been correct, the Conference of Grand Masters would have been much more entertaining as letters withdrawing recognition were being mailed across the world.

FWIW, I believe the confusion was because the brother did not attend Grand Lodge. It is my understanding from discussing this with another senior brother at the AASR Leadership Conference in Seattle that the matter was on the agenda, but was not approved.

G.A. Cook

Brother: So noted. Remember, one never has to be defensive among his brethren unless in a trial of his peers. Let the chip fall where they may, everyone has to answer to someone. There is another saying that applies here and it goes like this: "If you do the right thing, you can't go wrong."

Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

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Originally posted by TerryTCT:

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Originally posted by cookslc:
To be clear, I didn't forward any e-mails. I didn't give the poster's name when I discussed it with the Grand Secretary. I didn't even give the name of the e-mail list.

This was an issue affecting my jurisdiction and it did not appear the Cal GL Proceedings had been issued. Consequently, I believe the contact was appopriate and discreet. I did not send a formal letter, but an informal inquiry. I don't believe I could have been more low key in correcting the error.

I must say that if the brother had been correct, the Conference of Grand Masters would have been much more entertaining as letters withdrawing recognition were being mailed across the world.

FWIW, I believe the confusion was because the brother did not attend Grand Lodge. It is my understanding from discussing this with another senior brother at the AASR Leadership Conference in Seattle that the matter was on the agenda, but was not approved.

G.A. Cook

Brother: So noted. Remember, one never has to be defensive among his brethren unless in a trial of his peers. Let the chip fall where they may, everyone has to answer to someone. There is another saying that applies here and it goes like this: "If you do the right thing, you can't go wrong."

Fraternally,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

OK, I stand corrected via PM which means Private Message, not Past Master. LOL
Fraternally and sincerely,
/s/
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

Because a PM would never correct, would he? <BFG>

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Originally posted by cookslc:
Because a PM would never correct, would he? <BFG>

Never say never my friend. Nothing in life is permanent except an appointment with the grim reaper.
F & S
Terry, PM
Freemason
Hot Topics Moderator

Just surfing through. Thought I'd say hello to my brothers out there. I had a pretty diesent profile but it's all been erased after not logging in for over a year I guess, oh well:| Travel Light!
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