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I found the religious aspects of this story to be quite troubling.
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Agreed. I understand the concept of "Hate the sin, love the sinner." But in such cases where the conversion comes so quickly after being caught, shouldn't the religious folks have a little skepticism? Give the guy a little time to see if his sudden religious faith is going to stick before embracing him and defending him? Or better yet, embracing him into the fold without forgetting his crimes?
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Conversion to any belief system, or for that matter "conversion" to atheism from a previously followed belief system, is no defense for crimes committed.
I am reminded of an incident some years ago when a woman was raped and became pregnant from that rape. She stated in a newspaper interview that she was planning on getting an abortion. Some pro-life fools felt that, if the rapist married her and helped raise the child, it would somehow absolve him of the crime of rape - and additionally forcing the rape victim to marry her rapist would somehow prevent the abortion. |
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These are egregius examples of the human being to any and all kinds of stupidity to avoid the TRUTH!!
I have seen these and many more examples of criminal, catastrophic stupidity, in my work with kids and the safe sanctuary projects I have participated in. I have no solutions, save one.....the fervant hope that the perpetrators of these acts will do the right thing.....and kill themselves before any trial, to let the survivors begin to move toward a new life. I realise that is extremely harsh but after years of dealing with this, it seems that it is one of the best courses as those that have taken this final step, have released their familiess from any and all complicity in furthering the charade of humanity in the miscreant. T |
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Here in Okla.the state prisons are full of inmates that have "been saved" most of these were saved the first, secound and third times they were put into prison. They have found(the prisoners) they can get parolled faster and easer if they have church goers attending their hearings claiming how their lives have changed because they are saved now. (No T. I am not blaming all churches.) but there are alot out there that would let a child molester out in a heart beat if the fella told them he was saved again and went to their church. And it wouldnt matter if this was the 2 or 3rd time he had been caught. they were forgiven so all is well now.
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As often as convicted (and even indicted) felons claim to "find Christ behind bars," I am forced to wonder what he was convicted of that warranted an apparent sentence for infinity!
It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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maybe playing god? |
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Hello BobApril, Unfortunately there are lots of 'Christian' groups that do not really study scripture. Forgiveness does not equal, get off scott free. Somehow these two concepts have been brought together. Scripture is clear that you will face the consequences for your crime. Once found guilty, especially through confession or eye witness, justice should be carried out in accordance with the law. That is what scripture supports. Not what has been posted in this tragic case. He is fortunate that I was not on the Jury. The unit is also fortunate that I was not a member. I had a way of making sure that things like this were handled correctly. I was all4Truth even back then. LJ |
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all4truth does not necessarily imply all4justice. I think many here are feeling that difference and the conflict it creates.
That child will feel this crime for the rest of her life. Will he? I doubt it. Organized religion has a notorious history of affording monsters the luxury of forgetting their past; and what they forget they repeat. |
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This is a true story:
A man had abused a young girl at a local church and asked after serving his sentence if he could return there for worship. The Pastor after careful consideration and stern warnings that she would be watching this guy like a hawk approached the congregation with the question....no debate, they all thought it was a grand idea to practice forgivness don'tcha know! Four years later a woman who had embezzled money from the church's thrift shop after paying it back and serving a six month term in jail asked also to be allowed to return to worship...... The congregation met and NO FARGING WAY, NUH UH!! Was the general answer. Go figure....I can't fathom it....neither could the Pastor she felt bad for asking as she could have just said yes and it probably would not have been questioned....the amount purloined?.....Less than 500.00 dollars..... |
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It just goes to show what American's truly value! I'm uncertain which makes me sadder; the situation, or the fact that it surprises me not at all! It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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This story reminds me of a somewhat similar local story from the past year. There was a young man who was a member of an evangelical church here where he taught Sunday school and helped out with the church's other youth programs. He was also a frequent baby sitter for several families from the church. A single mother reported him to the police after one of her children told her that he had sexually abused her. When she questioned her other two kids it was apparent he'd molested at least 2 of the 3. After his arrest he freely admitted his guilt and confessed to abusing numerous other kids from the church since he moved here and joined the church almost 2 years earlier. There were girls and boys among the victims and the abuse ranged from fondling to penetration.
A couple of months before he was due in court a group from his church (I'm not sure how many were involved) began a letter writing campaign in the local newspaper to garner sympathy and support for this child molestor. The really bizarre thing about this group was that it even included the parents of some of his victims! The letters preached about Christian forgiveness and stressed what a devout Christian and all around loving person the guy was. Some inevitably tried to make lame excuses for his crimes by claiming he had a troubled childhood. The paper also published a letter the molestor had sent from jail. He claimed he intended to plead guilty, only to save the children and their families from the pain of a trial of course. I, like most people I talked to about it, thought that was BS. His letter and the avoidance of a trial where all the details would come out were just an attempt to draw pity and leniency. The mother who first reported the crimes finally wrote to the paper to describe some of the pain & agony his betrayal had caused her and more importantly, her children. She said that if anyone else wanted to forgive him that was their choice, but she believed he should get the maximum jail sentence and never be allowed access to children again. On the day of the guy's sentencing there were at least a dozen people from his church who appeared as character witnesses or who just read statements begging for leniency. The mother who had first reported him and the father of another of the victims where, if I remember correctly, the only ones who made statements arguing against leniency. That guy mentioned that his wife and a few other parents of victims had said that they didn't feel they could handle an appearance at the sentencing. The guy only got a little less than the maximum jail time the sentencing guidelines called for, mainly because of the guilty plea and his full cooperation with investigators. Shortly after the sentencing that woman wrote another letter to the editor. She thanked people who had sent letters to the paper that supported her position. She also described the second betrayal she and her children had faced as a result of all this. She had come under intense pressure in her church and in the paper to join the group of supporters who were seeking leniency for the guy who had molested her children. Since she had stood her ground she had begun to feel increasingly isolated from the rest of her congregation, even from those who hadn't overtly pressured her. This was a church she had attended for years, and the only one her kids new. She said that since she and her children no longer felt welcomed there, they would not be returning. What kind of skewed principles or morals are at work when people have more compassion for a twisted criminal than they do for his innocent victims? |
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The same twisted morals that are extent in society in general. If we don't hold this P.O.S accountable for what he/she did, well when I farg it up, they won't hold me accountable either!!!! And that is, in short, what almost half of Americans operate with, that they call "morals". |
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You mean like Jesus and the criminals that got excecuted with him? |
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OOPS!!
Sorry Joe, hit too close to home again did I??? |
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Notice of promotion... to General Ization. Bruce why do you always go on and on about how bad America is today? If you look at the stats, it's good compared to many, or most, other periods in our history. Do you live in a really, really bad neighborhood? Honest question. Maybe I've got these rose-colored glasses, but I see good kids, active parents, and law-abiding people around me, and very little 'scum.' Hell, if the kids today did half the crap we did as kids, they'd be locked up. |
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Bill;
No my neighborhood, while not the best, is a looooong way from being what I grew up in!! I don't necessarily see the world as you describe but I do credit what I see. People, as you say, are all those things, but there is a slippage that is also readily discernable if one looks. There is increasing violence in our youth, and it is of a nature far worse than that practiced by such as myself when young and I was a rotten little B******!! It would have NEVER crossed my mind to do some of the things that kids take for granted today. But I must admit that the discipline applied to us was almost instant and of a nature to be effective. Today that is not so. The most egregous example is being evidenced in our courts and from there down through society. I don't write of doom and hellfire, or speak of it in my preaching. But here, we talk about many things I don't get a chance to discuss "in real life" I must be much more circumspect. Remember the flack I took from so many because I wouldn't and won't preach at you, Joe and Bob among others? I tried then to explain this is, in a way, my living room and you guys and gals are family and we can talk about lots of things we can't bring up with others! And really, couldn't you say the same?? T |
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