Please talk to yourself with your eyes shut about somebody else.

Don't cry for me ARGENTINA!!!!

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Originally posted by AKinNC:
Don't cry for me ARGENTINA!!!!

That was the first thing to pop into my head as well!

Or Marilyn Manson: Don't Pray for Me

An extra mile to cross the line
I kiss my Judas one more time
I die
For your sin

Life is simple, life is sweet
The perspective from down on your knees
Will kill
You from within

Fortune and fame,
Torture and shame
Think twice before you speak
Glory and blame,
It's all the same
My gain is your defeat

Don't pray for me
I don't need your sympathy
I don't want your god protecting me
Don't pray for me
I don't want your empathy
I don't need your savior saving me
Don't pray for me

I don't care what book you quote
Your poison is my antidote
I don't burn
And I don't bleed

Wrap that guilt up deep inside
Religion as an alibi
What more
Could you need?

Fortune and fame
Torture and shame
You still don't understand
Glory and blame
It's all the same
Some things go hand in hand

Don't pray for me
I don't need your sympathy
I don't want your god protecting me
Don't pray for me
I don't want your empathy
I don't need your savior saving me
Don't pray for me

Sacrifice the innocence
Will you eliminate the decadence?
You celebrate my enemy
We'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams

Don't pray for me
I don't need your sympathy
I don't want your god protecting me
Don't pray for me
I don't want your empathy
I don't need your savior saving me
Don't pray for me

Don't pray for me
I don't need your sympathy
I don't want your god protecting me
Don't pray for me
I don't want your empathy
I don't need your savior saving me
Don't pray for me

Nope! Never listened to anything by him!

I was more into Pink Floyd, Zepplin, Beatles, etc.

Marilyn Manson, now there is entertainment!
I remember when he made his first nation wide TV appearance on some music awards. Chris Rock was the MC and Manson was the last act. After his performance, Rock came out and shouted to the audience, "Everybody get up and RUN to the Church!" Very funny!

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Originally posted by KJ1110:
Nope! Never listened to anything by him!

I was more into Pink Floyd, Zepplin, Beatles, etc.

Yeah, you're right. I never really listened to the dumb sh*t. I'm quite eclectic about music, but there are some things that just don't qualify, IMHO.

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by KJ1110:
Nope! Never listened to anything by him!

I was more into Pink Floyd, Zepplin, Beatles, etc.

Yeah, you're right. I never really listened to the dumb sh*t. I'm quite eclectic about music, but there are some things that just don't qualify, IMHO.

Yeah! One of the great oxymorons of our time: "Country Music!"

Ooooo! I left out Zappa and the Mothers of Invention! Bad me!

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Originally posted by KJ1110:

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by KJ1110:
Nope! Never listened to anything by him!

I was more into Pink Floyd, Zepplin, Beatles, etc.

Yeah, you're right. I never really listened to the dumb sh*t. I'm quite eclectic about music, but there are some things that just don't qualify, IMHO.

Yeah! One of the great oxymorons of our time: "Country Music!"

Ooooo! I left out Zappa and the Mothers of Invention! Bad me!

I have a saying whenever I get into my wife's car and country music is playing. I switch the station and tell her, "Friends don't let friends do country music."

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Originally posted by billbright:
Please talk to yourself with your eyes shut about somebody else.

When people say they'll be praying for me I usually tell them, "It's your time, waste it any way that pleases you."

Well, actually I ask them to get me a new truck, while they are at it on the knees. Might as well give it a try just in case the big guy has the capacity...or the one praying has the compassion to buy me a new truck. ....kind of a hopeless thing, isn't it?

The great part is the reversal of the Cause/Effect theory. They prayed, and it had an effect similar to what they wanted so the prayer must have been the cause. Yet when they pray and they don't get the results they want, god knows best so they don't need it, or it was god's will.

I don't mind faith, just call it as it is not as you want it to be.

I never worry about others praying for me , it at me the ****'s me .
I just say , thankyou , and I'll mention you to the horned God next time I speak to him ,

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Originally posted by billbright:
Please talk to yourself with your eyes shut about somebody else.

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Originally posted by 14413933:
I never worry about others praying for me , it at me the ****'s me .
I just say , thankyou , and I'll mention you to the horned God next time I speak to him ,

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Originally posted by billbright:
Please talk to yourself with your eyes shut about somebody else.

how can it hurt you if someone prays for you ? quietly shure .

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Originally posted by donniejanuarysr:

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Originally posted by 14413933:
I never worry about others praying for me , it at me the ****'s me .
I just say , thankyou , and I'll mention you to the horned God next time I speak to him ,

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Originally posted by billbright:
Please talk to yourself with your eyes shut about somebody else.

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

But... if the person does not believe in God, do you think any of these events is going to change his/her mind? In order for someone to even think about prayer as an option to his/her problems, the person has to believe prayer as a potential solution.
It is assumed (perhaps arrogantly) by believers (of any faith?) that everyone is obligated and glad to recieve their brand of 'kindness, empathy, and selfleness,' in this case prayer. The reality is that sometimes a complete disregard for the opinion of the recipient, changes your 'kindness' to arrogance and disrespect. IMHO

Ixcatl

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

OK, help me out here...

Is it a Christian or Mormon value to wish someone to be held against their will by psychopaths in order to teach them a lesson? Is this an example of the kind of thought process that will cause Jesus to say "Begone, I never knew you"?

No, not really, it is an attempt at a more elegant way of saying "there are no atheists in fox holes." As we know, there are plenty of them there, all dressed up and nowhere to go.

And yes, I am aware that that sounds rather cold, but it is why when a person of whatever faith system prays for them, it is a selfless act. There is nothing to be gained by doing so.

The problem comes when the person INSISTS on telling people that they will do so.....that is a form of insult to an atheist.

So, if you pray for them, shut up about it!! The only ones that need to know are you and God, and that's enough. Just like any other prayer.

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Originally posted by tawodi:
No, not really, it is an attempt at a more elegant way of saying "there are no atheists in fox holes." As we know, there are plenty of them there, all dressed up and nowhere to go.

And yes, I am aware that that sounds rather cold, but it is why when a person of whatever faith system prays for them, it is a selfless act. There is nothing to be gained by doing so.

The problem comes when the person INSISTS on telling people that they will do so.....that is a form of insult to an atheist.

So, if you pray for them, shut up about it!! The only ones that need to know are you and God, and that's enough. Just like any other prayer.

Aman T. good one
D.J.

And what do prayers prove? In or out of fox holes.

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Originally posted by reducetension:
And what do prayers prove? In or out of fox holes.

For sombody that believes in the power of prayer, alot. On the other hand for sombody that dosnt believe in anything why would they need proof? Someof these discussions get pretty livley you would almost think xtians were trying to convert or convence Non believers that their way is the right, but then again the Non believers seem to be trying to convence the believers they(non believers) are right in their thinking, I isnt going to do eather one of you (belivers and non believers) a bitof good because your not gonna convence each other of anything.
oy oy
I do like the disscussions
D.J.

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

In what way is praying for someone whom you know doesn't want it a selfless act? It's an act of feigned piety... a self-righteous kiss-my-axe you atheist piece-of-shirt for not believing as I do.... That's what it is.

Sure, I've had old ladies pray for me who knew no other way and didn't know I despised the ignorant practice. But when someone knows....

So, when I tell you not to pray for me, as I've done above, you know better. Just don't do it. It's not only insulting to me, it's insulting to humanity to act so belligerently and ignorantly. You don't pray in my space and I won't try to be rational in your church.

I wonder how many of them pray out of 'revenge'?.... "I'll sick my god on you and you'll see the light and be as bright as me!" attitude. You really have no value in their eyes until your mind is lost in the same baseless scheme theirs is. Like other people wanting to turn you on to the drugs they use.

And now.......that they've told you what they REALLY think of you are you going to bother any more??

Just askin'

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Originally posted by ixcatzin:

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

But... if the person does not believe in God, do you think any of these events is going to change his/her mind? In order for someone to even think about prayer as an option to his/her problems, the person has to believe prayer as a potential solution.
It is assumed (perhaps arrogantly) by believers (of any faith?) that everyone is obligated and glad to recieve their brand of 'kindness, empathy, and selfleness,' in this case prayer. The reality is that sometimes a complete disregard for the opinion of the recipient, changes your 'kindness' to arrogance and disrespect. IMHO

Ixcatl

Suffering the deeper trials of life have a way of stripping away the oneness of self - -

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Originally posted by AKinNC:

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

OK, help me out here...

Is it a Christian or Mormon value to wish someone to be held against their will by psychopaths in order to teach them a lesson? Is this an example of the kind of thought process that will cause Jesus to say "Begone, I never knew you"?

I wouldn't know. . .would you? Just going on what has been said and written by many POWs such as John McCain, and what has been said by recent castaways who found themselves adrift at sea. Their heartfelt testimonies seemed more credible than those of someone sitting safe and happy within this civilization - -

I'm glad I was given the option of leaving out the phrase "So Help Me God" in my swearing-in ceremony.

To each his own.

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Originally posted by lookitsroadie:
I'm glad I was given the option of leaving out the phrase "So Help Me God" in my swearing-in ceremony.

To each his own.

It's been optional since at least the late 60's (IIRC), but most 18-year olds don't actually pay attention to it one way or the other!

Also, the "Administering Officer" may fail to advise the inductee's of that fact.

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Don't Pray for Me

Obviously, a person expressing such a thought probably needs to spend an extended period as a prisoner in the hands of some oriental communist country, as a hostage in the hands of some fanatical Islamic jihadist group, as a castaway adrift in some shark-infested area of a vast sea, or as a receptor of the information from a doctor that he or she is dying of an incurable disease that will be long, arduous, and extremely painful to the end - -

Praying for someone else is a selfless act that shows a person's willingness to give up self for the needs and trials of others - one of humankind's few admirable traits . . .

Why arrogantly repulse such selflessness, empathy, and kindness?

In what way is praying for someone whom you know doesn't want it a selfless act? It's an act of feigned piety... a self-righteous kiss-my-axe you atheist piece-of-shirt for not believing as I do.... That's what it is.

Sure, I've had old ladies pray for me who knew no other way and didn't know I despised the ignorant practice. But when someone knows....

So, when I tell you not to pray for me, as I've done above, you know better. Just don't do it. It's not only insulting to me, it's insulting to humanity to act so belligerently and ignorantly. You don't pray in my space and I won't try to be rational in your church.

"Don't Pray for Me" Quite a commandment. Are you a dictator or god to have such power?

The above statement is both an attempt to deny free speech and freedom of religion - -

A true believer who fails to pray for ALL of Mankind (pray for all things in all places) would be denying his faith. An atheist cannot require him to do that, since it is a protection granted (twice) by the 1st Amendment....

Oh Great Spirit of Life, watch over this good person and protect him always - -

(My "Church" is the whole outdoors) - -