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...at the Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, North Carolina.
"http://www.amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/Download99.html" I'm afraid I'll miss it. If I went, they's probably throw me into the fire along with the "Satanic" Bible translations, music, and other books. I was particularly suprised to see Billy Graham's books, James Dobson's books and Tim LaHaye's "Left Behind" books on the burn list - I figured Mother Theresa and the Pope would be on it, but not them. |
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Hi FightDirector, I am curious, why you did not expect to see these on the list? I thought it was a grab all list effort when I first read it on yahoo news. LJ |
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I agree, burn them all. If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for us.
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Uhhhh....Navy?? Jesus didn't HAVE the K.J.V. Bible....He didn't have ANY Bible!!
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As the son of an American Baptist Convention minister, I was well aware that many fundamentalist Protestant Christians believe that Roman Catholics are not Christians and are, ipso facto, doomed to Hell for all eternity, which explains why I wasn't surprised about seeing Mother Theresa and the Pope on the list. Further examination of their website reveals their emnity against Billy Graham: he worked over the years with various ecumenical groups which included Roman Catholics, making himself a Satanist by association. One would assume, however, that Child Psychologist James Dobson, founder and boss of Focus On The Family and Tim LaHaye, author of the Left Behind books and co-founder (with his wife) of Concerned Women For America, being fellow fundamentalist Protestant Christians, wouldn't be on their list. There was no specifics on their website that I could easily find as to what they did to achieve thier place on this Independant Baptist Church's "blacklist"/"burn list". |
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Sorry, just quoting former Texas governor "Ma" Ferguson. She may or may not have actually said this, but it has been attributed to her for some time. |
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OK, Now that you have expanded your post with these words. let me make a stab at it. Any one or book that does not fit their "core elements and doctrines of the Christian faith" seems to be the target. A quick search brought me to wikipedia "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Baptist" which has some good data that points to other search criteria and supporting web references. Thanks for your response. Since I am against "denominations" in Christianity, I sometimes am completely unaware of some of the peculiarities associated with religious organizations. A funny and curious thing is I can not find a single popular denomination listed in scripture, even with all of the translations listed.  Given that many churches all claim to be THE "remnant church", I would have thought one of them would be listed.Oh well, on with seeking the truth, always!  LJ |
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Now, now, xnavycg. No fair giving credit where it can not be proven. You have now been given credit, since you did not originally list your source. Stay safe, LJ |
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Now for my real views, I think book burning is a horrible idea, even offensive books. A portion of my personal library is made up of books that were to be thrown away or destroyed when the Navy base at Treasure Island was closed. I Have Roman Missals, the Catholic Lectionary, and other books that I normally wouldn’t buy or read, but hate to see books, any books, thrown in a dumpster.
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I have sold many books on eBay in the past decade, even some fundamentalist ones I'd rather compost, but at least someone was will to pay something for them... and enrich my newer book collection... which, will of course, be sold on eBay after my decendents get ahold of them!
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Here, here my good man.  LJ |
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Would you like me to translate xnavycg's comment? I'm fluent in sarcasm. |
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Leave it for Duster to explain; I think he's been mentoring Navy!  It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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To those perhaps not in the know.......
Exnavy knows EXACTLY what he said...... I know EXACTLY what he said.......... Exnavy knows EXACTLY what I said......... Since both of us KNOW what we said I would suggest that we need no translation....... I think........... |
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OK by me. LJ |
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What he said.  |
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Is a bible like a flag: once it touches the ground you have to burn it? What DOES become of old and abused bibles?
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Several of mine are quite old (my German one is about 40 years old). They're on my bookshelf in my home office. Since I would never intentionally abuse a book of any kind, I don't have an answer for that one. |
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My mother was a librarian thus books were highly respected in our home when I was growing up, especially returning them on time!
However, in the early 1970s I was in a group discussion on religion at which the fundies claimed the bible was the living word of god and should be respected as such, at which point I threw an old Gideon bible into the fire place (which was burning). One young fundie leapt up and grabbed it out of the flames. Quite a show ensued but my point was made (it is just a paper book) and the Fundies defended their faith. And it of course made it all the harder for them to obey Jesus and love me. Cursed I was. I’m sure they expected me to burst into flames! Of course, I never told my mother I threw any kind of a book in a fire! That is until she passed away I never told this story... but you know how parents can control you from the grave! (In the Christian's case, its god’s kid that controls them.) |
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Hi Fightdirector, I understand your post and from the group that I know anything about, an old bible is mostly kept because lots of notes, family history and other personal information is stored inside and on the pages. Like you, I typically do not destroy a book of any kind, but there is nothing that I know of making it sacrilegious to destroy that is taught in my circles. I know there is a difference in other religions. LJ |
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Several months old, but still germane:
Library fight riles up city, leads to book-burning demand By Jason Hanna CNN (CNN) -- A fight over books depicting sex and homosexuality has riled up a small Wisconsin city, cost some library board members their positions and prompted a call for a public book burning. The battle has stirred much of West Bend, a city of roughly 30,000 people about 35 miles north of Milwaukee. Residents have sparred for months on blogs, airwaves and at meetings, including one where a man told the city's library director he should be tarred and feathered. The row even spread to this year's Fourth of July parade, which included a float featuring a washing machine and a sign that read "keep our library clean." "If you told me we would be going through a book challenge of this nature, I'd think, 'Never in a million years,' " said Michael Tyree, director of the West Bend Community Memorial Library. The strife began in February when West Bend couple Jim and Ginny Maziarka objected to some of the content in the city library's young-adult section. They later petitioned the library board to move any sexually explicit books -- the definition of which would be debated -- from the young-adult section to the adult section and to label them as sexually explicit. Ginny Maziarka, 49, said the books in the section of the library aimed at children aged 12 to 18 included homosexual and heterosexual content she thought was inappropriate for youths. She and her husband also asked the library to obtain books about homosexuality that affirmed heterosexuality, such as titles written by "ex-gays," Maziarka said. "All the books in the young-adult zone that deal with homosexuality are gay-affirming. That's not balance," she said. The library did not agree with the Maziarkas' suggestions, and the couple appealed to the library board. Ginny Maziarka, a mother of four, began blogging about the issue and the local newspaper picked up the dispute, sparking the opposition. Maria Hanrahan, also a West Bend mom, set up a rival blog to argue the other side. "I'm against any other party telling me what's appropriate for my child and what isn't," said Hanrahan, 40, who also created a West Bend Parents for Free Speech group. "We don't mean to say these are appropriate for everyone, but we don't feel they should be set apart from other materials or restricted from the young-adult section." By this time, many more people had become caught up in the issue, which was generating heat. When Hanrahan appeared on a local radio, callers attacked her views, she said. "People were being very passionate on both sides of the issue. I think it divided the community a little bit," she said. With the debate raging, the city council voted in April against renewing the terms of four library board members, in part because council members thought the board was dragging its feet, library director Tyree said. The Maziarkas were still fighting to have books moved, having identified 82 questionable titles -- more than double their original list. Then they stopped targeting a list of books and circulated a petition that asked the board to label and move to the adult section any "youth-targeted pornographic books" -- including books that describe sex acts in a way unsuitable for minors. The books could still be checked out freely by anyone. "We're not talking about educational material. We're talking raunchy sex acts," Maziarka said. One book she objects to is "The Perks of Being a Wallflower," in which a fictional teenage boy tells about his freshman year in high school, including rape and homosexual and heterosexual sex between teens. Tyree said book excerpts found on Maziarka's blog had been taken out of context and, in the case of "Wallflower," the criticism missed some of the book's points. "In this book, there were consequences of ... rape, of indiscriminate sex. Those were not portrayed so glowingly," he said. By the time the library board met on June 2, each side had collected more than 1,000 signatures backing their position. Dozens of residents spoke at the meeting before the board -- still including the outgoing members -- unanimously voted to keep all policies the same. The demand to move the books was always going to be problematic because no authority has determined that any of the titles are pornographic or obscene, Tyree said. Book challenges aren't new. More than 500 were reported in the United States in 2008, mostly in schools and public libraries, Deborah Caldwell-Stone of the American Library Association said. But this one was attracting extra attention. Caldwell-Stone, who monitored the dispute, said moving any young-adult book to the adult section would have been a form of censorship, even if teens were free to check them out. "The whole intent was shelving books not on the basis of age or reading ability, but because they disapprove of the content with the intent of restricting access. That's a burden on First Amendment rights," Caldwell-Stone said. Outside West Bend, the fight caught the attention of Robert Braun, who, with three other Milwaukee-area men, filed a claim against West Bend calling for one of the library's books to be publicly burned, along with financial damages. The four plaintiffs -- who describe themselves as "elderly" in their complaint --- claim their "mental and emotional well-being was damaged by [the] book at the library." The claim, unconnected to the Maziarkas, says the book "Baby Be-bop" -- a fictional piece about a homosexual teenager -- is "explicitly vulgar, racial and anti-Christian." Braun, who says he is president of a Milwaukee group called the Christian Civil Liberties Union, said he singled out the book because it "goes way over the line" with offensive language and descriptions of sex acts. The call for burning the book showed his passion, Braun, 74, said. "I don't sit on the fence when I do these things. When I make a decision to speak up on something, I go for it." The ALA will help the library oppose the claim if it goes forward, Caldwell-Stone said, adding she felt that was unlikely because "it has very little basis in law." Back in West Bend, the Maziarkas and their supporters are gearing up for another go at the library, in part because the board now has its four new members. They do not want books burned, but they do want action. "We want parents to decide whether they want their children to have access to these books ... and we want the library's help in identifying [them through labeling and moving]," Maziarka said. "It's just common sense. |
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Ah yes, the democarcy of censorship.
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I'm still not sure whether or not I'd keep the old family bible my mother had, if I even had the chance. I'm tempted to say I would. I fondly remember her keeping old clippings and pictures and pressing 4-leaf clovers in it. |
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If the parents are really that concerned about what THEIR childern read then they should pay attention to THEIR childern and act like parents. But of course that is NOT what is happening they want to use the power of government (force) to make sure other parents childern can not read what they disagree with.
Or look at these idiots, if they did not like the subject of the book why read it, if they didn't read how do they know what is in it and in any case how could it have HURT them?
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Some think a book being "anti-Christian" would be a good thing.
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And some think being anti-pagan or pro-christian or anti-welfare are good things. If they do then they should read those books and it the others upset them not read them. If as parent they don't want their kids reading something they don't like then they should be parents and tell THEIR childern not to read those books. IMO ignorance NEVER helped anyone make a good decision so personally I always preferred discussing an issue with my kids as young adults rather than trying to hide things from them, at least this way I had some ideal what information they were getting. |
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Are libraries a 'government' facility?
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They are a facility of those who pay for it: public or private. Most city libraries are public funded. Some University Libraries are considered private if it is a private University and are subject to the library/university directors. Public libraries are subject usually to city councils. Public school libraries to school boards.
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I guess I was baiting with that question. Why? Because, from the religious person's perspective, if a library is a gov't facility and it can have religious tomes, why can't a school? Of course, we know the answer to that ...and the rebuttals. So, that may be why nobody bit.
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I figured you knew the answer, Bill, but being a teacher I couldn't help my self!
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