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Originally posted by Whirled_Peas:
The article is less about a new theology...church theology...its about what the doctrine of Yahshua is morphing into... and more about demonizing environmentalism. For example, the article points out that all the "gloom and doom" scenarios indicated by environmentalists haven't happened yet, but they neglect to acknowledge that certain things haven't happened because our society has taken steps to prevent them from happening. Bald eagles didn't die out because we stopped polluting their habitat. If we'd continued, they'd be gone. The polar bear increase has been largely due to the major slowdown of hunting, but their habitat is still disappearing. Just because someone stops shooting at you doesn't mean you'll still survive if you have no place to physically live. Polar bears also contain some of the highest levels of persistent organic chemicals (a class of rather nasty biologically active toxins) of any living creature, and those will eventually disrupt their ability to reproduce at all.

Even if you don't give a hoot about polar bears, consider the "canary in the mineshaft". We're not exempt from the impacts of our habitat. The more toxic and unstable our environment becomes, the more we poison ourselves. For example, the percentage of children with asthma has increased every year over the past few decades. Children are reaching puberty far younger than they should because of the chemicals in our food and water. We're poisoning our own children, and people think this is "about polar bears".

AIDS is a crisis. When more than half the people in a country are dying of an incurable illness... that's a crisis.

And as for the souls... souls are never lost. They're all journeying. ...to where...

Some of us don't buy into this ludicrous notion of the "end times", in which our planet will no longer matter because we'll all be in heaven or hell. Some of us would like our planet to last for a while. Why not read the book of Rev. no where does it say the earth will no longer matter...read it real slow and learn...

In the meantime, respect for the environment is respect for other human beings. I don't see what's "radical" about wanting to stop our society from poisoning itself. I don't see what's radical about recycling. The only reasons why people would consider these things "radical" is if they're stuck in their narrow world view and too LAZY to do anything but help themselves.

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Originally posted by whtetiger:
And as for the souls... souls are never lost. They're all journeying. ...to where...

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Some of us don't buy into this ludicrous notion of the "end times", in which our planet will no longer matter because we'll all be in heaven or hell. Some of us would like our planet to last for a while. Why not read the book of Rev. no where does it say the earth will no longer matter...read it real slow and learn...

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Originally posted by Whirled_Peas:

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Originally posted by whtetiger:
And as for the souls... souls are never lost. They're all journeying. ...to where...

Towards oneness with the Infinite.

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Some of us don't buy into this ludicrous notion of the "end times", in which our planet will no longer matter because we'll all be in heaven or hell. Some of us would like our planet to last for a while. Why not read the book of Rev. no where does it say the earth will no longer matter...read it real slow and learn...

I've read it "real slow" at least 20 times. I have heard you say this before..."I've read it "real slow" at least 20 times."...do you read everything at least 20 times?... I've studied it in depth. I've read academic commentary on the Book of Revelations by Christians of many different denominations, by Biblical scholars, by anthropologists, by historians, and by philosophers. ...sure you have... It was a vision that someone had, and he wrote it down. Maybe he drank some bad wine the night before. There are SYMBOLIC elements in that writing, but I can't take that stuff as literal....thats to bad sorry you can't see...I was that way... Neither can most academic experts, including those who consider themselves to be Christian. ...some have head knowledge but no heart knowledge...I know where you stand and what I see is you haven't much head knowledge of Scripture...

So, you're right - it does not say that the planet won't matter. However, a lot of people seem to think..."they seem to think... that once they're "raptured up" (which isn't strictly Biblical itself), the mess they've made back here won't matter. So its the "Christians" that have made the mess...is this what you are telling us?...

According to the Bible, Yeshua preached good works, stewardship, compassion, and kindness towards one's neighbors. He preached against greed. Greed is what's driving the destruction of our planet - the demand for resources without restraint, the demand for convenience regardless of the cost. As for the victims of AIDS in Africa and around the world... didn't Yeshua tell you to care for the sick and the dying?

Matthew 25:40: Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, THAT you do unto me.

The impoverished, the starving, the dying, the homeless... that's the face of AIDS. Why would it not be the mission of any diligent Christian to care for those people? Go ahead, write them off. If you think it's more important to preach at those people instead of giving them food, medicine, and education, then you do that. Tell them that Yeshua loves them, and then turn your back and walk away while they suffer a slow death.

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Originally posted by whtetiger:

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Originally posted by Whirled_Peas:


According to the Bible, Yeshua preached good works, stewardship, compassion, and kindness towards one's neighbors. He preached against greed. Greed is what's driving the destruction of our planet - the demand for resources without restraint, the demand for convenience regardless of the cost. As for the victims of AIDS in Africa and around the world... didn't Yeshua tell you to care for the sick and the dying?

Matthew 25:40: Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, THAT you do unto me.

The impoverished, the starving, the dying, the homeless... that's the face of AIDS. Why would it not be the mission of any diligent Christian to care for those people? Go ahead, write them off. If you think it's more important to preach at those people instead of giving them food, medicine, and education, then you do that. Tell them that Yeshua loves them, and then turn your back and walk away while they suffer a slow death.

You are correct greed is the cause of all the sickness in the world...what is the cause of your sickness...I know what caused mine...

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Originally posted by tawodi:
Some where in the middle, as always, is the answer........where is the middle??.....That's what's so damned hard to figure out!!!

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The Emerging Churche’s Radical Environmentalist Agenda
According to emerging church theology, the object of the church’s mission on earth is not the preaching of gospel but the building of the kingdom of God on earth. It is earth-minded and mocks a heavenly-minded orientation. It gets more excited about solving the “AIDS crisis” and saving the polar bears than winning lost souls.
Emerging church writings say very little about the salvation of the soul, but they say a lot about the salvation of society and creation.
True Discernment
2 Timothy 4:3-4

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Originally posted by whtetiger:
The Emerging Churche’s Radical Environmentalist Agenda
According to emerging church theology, the object of the church’s mission on earth is not the preaching of gospel but the building of the kingdom of God on earth. It is earth-minded and mocks a heavenly-minded orientation. It gets more excited about solving the “AIDS crisis” and saving the polar bears than winning lost souls.
Emerging church writings say very little about the salvation of the soul, but they say a lot about the salvation of society and creation.
True Discernment
2 Timothy 4:3-4

Don't you just hate it when you spell something wrong in the title of a thread? Of course, when you repeat the error in the body of the post, then it becomes evident you don't know how to spell it. But you CAN go back and change that one once you figure it out by hitting that little eraser button in the lower right of the posted message. ...You knew that, right?

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Originally posted by whtetiger:

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by whtetiger:
The Emerging Churche’s Radical Environmentalist Agenda
According to emerging church theology, the object of the church’s mission on earth is not the preaching of gospel but the building of the kingdom of God on earth. It is earth-minded and mocks a heavenly-minded orientation. It gets more excited about solving the “AIDS crisis” and saving the polar bears than winning lost souls.
Emerging church writings say very little about the salvation of the soul, but they say a lot about the salvation of society and creation.
True Discernment
2 Timothy 4:3-4

Don't you just hate it when you spell something wrong in the title of a thread? Of course, when you repeat the error in the body of the post, then it becomes evident you don't know how to spell it. But you CAN go back and change that one once you figure it out by hitting that little eraser button in the lower right of the posted message. ...You knew that, right?

doesn't matter to me...but you little man will not get over it...to bad...

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by whtetiger:
The Emerging Churche’s Radical Environmentalist Agenda
According to emerging church theology, the object of the church’s mission on earth is not the preaching of gospel but the building of the kingdom of God on earth. It is earth-minded and mocks a heavenly-minded orientation. It gets more excited about solving the “AIDS crisis” and saving the polar bears than winning lost souls.
Emerging church writings say very little about the salvation of the soul, but they say a lot about the salvation of society and creation.
True Discernment
2 Timothy 4:3-4

Don't you just hate it when you spell something wrong in the title of a thread? Of course, when you repeat the error in the body of the post, then it becomes evident you don't know how to spell it. But you CAN go back and change that one once you figure it out by hitting that little eraser button in the lower right of the posted message. ...You knew that, right?