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On Warning 20 Days 08/29/08 Fin "Lakum deenukum waliya deen" To you be your Way, and to me mine (109:6) |
I found this on the net on a message board. I don't know the author, but I believe it's a good hypothesis and a good start for debate.
I believe the question should not get people to admit one way or the other, but it should surely make one think. I have read and heard many a non-Muslim rebuttal which normally revolves around Aisha's (ra) age, 900 Jews, or something else. But never has one naysayer commented on motive. Why go through all the trouble just to live in abject poverty anyway, yet starting out wealthy and powerful? |
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"Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
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Suspended again for disruptive posts. |
for the radical Muslim one must convert or die.
God never forces anyone yet Mohammed's does. What's up with that? Mo did not live in abject poverty. He was an angry person. He himself thought he was possessed by a demon. Aisha was his constant source of encouragement. |
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On Warning 20 Days 08/29/08 Fin "Lakum deenukum waliya deen" To you be your Way, and to me mine (109:6) |
Correct. Key word "radical"
False. Where is that in the Quran?
Nothing, it's a lie.
Really? So what did he leave when he died outside a straw mat and some tattered clothes? Did he live in a palace? Or anything like that?
False. Why is it he didn't kill everyone in Mecca when he won in the end?
False. Nice try with an unreliable Hadith though....
Actually, that title would probably go to Khadijah (ra) Aisha (ra) is known as one of the first Islamic scholars. |
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On Warning 20 Days 08/29/08 Fin "Lakum deenukum waliya deen" To you be your Way, and to me mine (109:6) |
Either way, what does that have to do with the initial post?
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Muhammad: a Prophet or an imposter?
Hitler: a Prophet or an imposter? I believe both questions generate two questions... Profit to what... imposter of what... "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
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yea good reply... |
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Basic Training |
God never forces anyone yet Mohammed's does.
False. Where is that in the Quran? It's not verbatim in the Quran, as you well know. It's implied in the history of the Faith. From the early days when tribes converting wanted to raid they were told it wasn't permissible to attack other Muslims. It therefore became permissible to raid or attack idolaters and unbelievers. Expansion was the immediate and inevitable result. Precedents were set and edicts put forth by scholars of the Faith. Now it is quite acceptable to commit attrocities in defense of the Faith, after all, it will be as Allah wills it. The problem is not the Quran. It never has been. The problem lies in the later additions, many of them based on events put forth in the Hadith, many more of them later convoluted to fit more modern desires. How many times have I heard Muslims proclaim that they are humiliated? Just as often I hear how that is because the Muslims are weak, and that when the Muslims are strong they will teach a painful lesson. It occurs so often that I tend to think of Muslims as a very pridefull bunch, and I wonder where they might have read THAT in the Quran. I don't remember anywhere the Quran telling us that Muslims were meant to "dominate the world", yet just the other day I read an article from some high and mighty proclaiming just that. (Granted, my copy of the Quran is translated as I do not read Arabic, but I'm reasonably confident that it isn't a simple translation error in this case.) This line of reasoning obviously strikes a chord somewhere, otherwise there wouldn't be so many "Martyrdom-seeking Operations" going on. That same high and mighty also proclaimed that unbelievers (not only idolaters but people of the book, as well) didn't have any rights, that there were no special protections for them. We both know that isn't correct, yet he has a substantial following. Let's not forget that if I were to walk into Tribal Pakistan, it would mean my head being sawed off on internet video within hours, yet this man could easily walk into any Western city and speak freely all day of his views and recieve only some dirty looks. Now I ask you: Does it have to be in the Quran to be true? |
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You could continue that same line of reasoning with: Joseph Smith: a Prophet or an imposter? Mary Baker Eddy: a Prophet or an imposter? James Hagee: a Prophet or an imposter? Pat Robertson: a Prophet or an imposter? If they believe as you do, they are "prophets". If they believe differently than you do, they are "imposters". |
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Have these four persons you list led armies against the world ... ...Fightdirector... ...stay on target... "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
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What do means have to do with a calling? |
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In all seriousness, to just the statement and question reduced to above; Any US Marine... To the rest after being put into context as written; All the major prophets and most especially Christ himself... A well written, logical, and well situated piece of work. Thank you for your diligence and delivery. I am impressed, as you show the intellect and dicipline it takes to be an accomplished writer and advanced student of what appears to be a Masters or better level of accomplishment. I too, am working to accomplish this level, but in Theology and the Divinity of Christ. It appears we are on different sides of the fence with almost the same argument. If I'm correct, let's trade theses when we get to that point. I have started mine; How the tradition of the church is stifling the work of the Spirit and is in most cases not the originally intended Theology and Tradition. In a nutshell; "The collateral damage of the Kingdom of the Traditional Church". Or something close to that, it is a work in progress! Of course if I'm wrong, forgive me and accept my applause for your style. I.H.S. CJ |
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[/QUOTE]Have these four persons you list led armies against the world ...
...Fightdirector... ...stay on target...[/QUOTE] The answer is a resounding yes! Spiritually... |
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"Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
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Think... Before You Post... FIVE TIGERS |
Have these four persons you list led armies against the world ... ...Fightdirector... ...stay on target...[/QUOTE] The answer is a resounding yes! Spiritually...[/QUOTE] Spiritually...no we are talking about flesh and blood... "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
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OK Tiger, this thread became hard to understand. If the question was; Did these men lead armies against this world in the flesh? The answer is no. If the question was; Did these men lead armies in this world? The answer is yes, in a spiritual battle as strong leadership. I guess I did not understand the intent of the question. As to what does means have to do with calling; I can only guess the question is begging the answer; Means should have nothing to do with a Prophet or his ability to accomplish. His accomplishments are God-inspired and Spirit lead. If he needs means (a way or tools to accomplish) he's probably not Spirit lead/equipped as a Prophet. Just my 2 cents, the way I understand this question. Peace Y.B.I.C. CJ |
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Shalom Y.B.I.C. "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
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"Sarcastic Member" |
What does having the means to affect world events have to do with being a messenger from some divine agency? |
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