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N a v a l & M a r i n e C o r p s R e s e r v e T r a i n i n g C e n t e r 7600 East Jefferson Avenue Detroit, Michigan 48214 567-8540 29 May, 1970 INVOCATION Inauguration of the Ninth Naval District’s First Junior NROTC Unit at Bentley High School Livonia, Michigan Eternal Father, We bow our heads, but we raise our hearts and minds to You realizing that in your Wisdom and Love, You have a wise and loving plan for each of us – and You reveal your Plan through the events of our lives. You are present to us today through our actions. This historic moment is a moment in your history of saving events. As You once moved over the waters and breathed and brought order and life out of chaos, so today do You continue to create and build and fashion for Yourself a people whom you draw to Yourself and call your own. Sharing in your likeness, we gather today to activate this Unit of Naval Cadets. You have blessed us with chosen youth who are enthusiastic, adventurous and responsive to your beckoning. We ask that you continue to bless the youth of this command with a successful orientation into the military experience; with a functional appreciation of their chain of command; with loyalty and respect for both their officers and mission which is manifested in the smartness of their dress and in their personal bearing; with a sense of humor and hard work that will bind them together so that each knows his own job and its place in the larger picture; and with a personal initiative which is tempered only by self-discipline and service. We further ask You to help resolve any of the personal and developmental problems these young men may bring with them. Give them an experience of confidence in themselves warranted by their individual and collective achievements. And You have blessed us with a Staff of Officers and Men who are not only experienced, but who are purified by their experiences; who are appreciative of our way of life though it is not yet shared by all our Brothers and Sisters; who are dedicated to the preservation and strengthening of our nation, so that we may not only have your life, but have it more abundantly. Socrates believed that we only come to know a good life by living with good men, so instill in Commander _______ and his Staff the capacity to share their attitudes, ideals, skills and beliefs in such a way so as to enthuse, entice, stimulate, challenge and draw out the best in these young Cadets. May you, Admiral Renken, as well as all of our distinguished Guests, Parents, Relatives, Teachers, Friends and Visitors be renewed, as I am, in our hopes for peace and order by the commitment of these Cadets. And may our Cadets not only find personal growth and fulfillment in this Naval Unit, but may they also enhance the Navy Image by their dedicated parti****tion and thus help secure within the borders of our country a renewed respect for the thousands of Veterans who are returning from bearing the burden of our human condition. May this historic venture by our Cadets today cause us to pause and reflect on their undertaking. May our appreciation of them be second only to our appreciation of those who have made the Supreme Sacrifice for us – as Eternal Father – did Your Only Son! Amen! Barry Herbert Parmeter, O.F.M. Cap. ENS, (CHC), USNR YerOleSeaDaddy@aol.com |
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This isn't a prayer to the Eternal Father. It's a lecture to the Cadets.... as most public prayers are. Of course it was nearly 40 years ago. I wonder how it turned out? Did it get fulfilled or answered and or it just fly into thin air? Nice thoughts, I suppose, but the only ones listening are fixed firmly on the ground. |
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reducetension If you can NOT prove he (G-D) exists, how can you prove he does NOT exist? Also I understand You do not believe (in G-D) but can you explain to me what it hurts for other people to believe( in G-D )? If by some chance everything turnes out like you believe it will, What harm is it going to do? granted there are some on here that condem others for not believeing as they do, but not all. And I have seen several unbelievers make the statements theat all believers are idiots, I hope you are not one of these. As you know I personaly do not believe in the jesus guy BUT I DO BELIEVE in G-D. Just wonderingabout some of this D.J. |
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Hi, Donnie. Wherethefugayoubeen? |
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And I was wondering where were you!! Nice to see that you are still around! Ixcatl |
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Hello Bill Been busy, My whife has been in the hospitle for the past couple of weeks I have been too busy running back and forth to the hospitle, and on top of that Lighting hit the phone line causing an arc between the water lines, ignighting the gas line, burning the inside wall and melting the water line flooding the floor and putting out the fire, OY it has been a heck of a month and it has only been two weeks. D.J. |
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Hello as i stated to Bill looong month, and we are trying to get ready for Rosh Hashanna and Sukkot. We are expecting some other Ben Noach to show up this year for Sukkot. D.J. |
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Donnie, I am sorry to hear that your wife was/is in the hospital. I hope she is better. I also hope you and your family have a sweet new year.  Shana tova Ixcatl |
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I have Fresh Home Grown Honny and some good Sweet apples to help start it off. Might even have a good cold wine to start it off right.   |
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The problem is not personal belief. The problem is the implied 'believe as I do or else'. |
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Especially on the part of a person with inferred authority! It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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If you can NOT prove he (G-D) exists, how can you prove he does NOT exist? Also I understand You do not believe (in G-D) but can you explain to me what it hurts for other people to believe( in G-D )? If by some chance everything turnes out like you believe it will, What harm is it going to do? granted there are some on here that condem others for not believeing as they do, but not all. And I have seen several unbelievers make the statements theat all believers are idiots, I hope you are not one of these. As you know I personaly do not believe in the jesus guy BUT I DO BELIEVE in G-D. Just wonderingabout some of this D.J.[/QUOTE] The problem is not personal belief. The problem is the implied 'believe as I do or else'.[/QUOTE] I understand that, I have been told how i was going to H-ll because I do not believe in the dead guy on a stick, But I still do call them idiots, wouldnt that put me on their level D.J. |
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If you can NOT prove he (G-D) exists, how can you prove he does NOT exist? Also I understand You do not believe (in G-D) but can you explain to me what it hurts for other people to believe( in G-D )? If by some chance everything turnes out like you believe it will, What harm is it going to do? granted there are some on here that condem others for not believeing as they do, but not all. And I have seen several unbelievers make the statements theat all believers are idiots, I hope you are not one of these. As you know I personaly do not believe in the jesus guy BUT I DO BELIEVE in G-D. Just wonderingabout some of this D.J.[/QUOTE] The problem is not personal belief. The problem is the implied 'believe as I do or else'.[/QUOTE] Especially on the part of a person with inferred authority![/QUOTE] But if you do not believe in "the guy with the inferred authority" what could the problem be? D.J. |
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You misunderstood me, Donnie; the "person with inferred authority" would be the Chaplain delivering the (obviously Christian) invocation to a "captive audience," many of whom may not have been (probably weren't) Christian or, indeed, even believers on any level!
It delivers the message (as RT pointed out and you yourself have experienced firsthand) "Believe as I do or run the risk of being castigated!" It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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The problem is not personal belief. The problem is the implied 'believe as I do or else'.[/QUOTE] I understand that, I have been told how i was going to H-ll because I do not believe in the dead guy on a stick, But I still do NOT call them idiots, wouldnt that put me on their level D.J.[/QUOTE] I ment to put NOT befor call them idiots my keyboard seems to have a mind of its ownsomtimes. |
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Not to worry, I think we can figure out how you feel about us..... |
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T. I realy have no ill feelings toward anybody when I made the statement my key board was messing up I ment just that MY key board was messing up. D.J. |
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"The dead guy on a stick"....real original Donnie. "Jewcicle" was the original rendition of that little complement..........
Sorry if I don't buy your demurral with the excuse of the key board. I've seen a LOT of keyboard errors but never one like that. |
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If it's not a 'dead guy on a stick', T, what is it? Of course Protestants don't have 'dead guy on a stick', just the 'stick'. And, as I believe D.J. alluded to, if you don't believe in the 'stick' stuff you might get beat with it!
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T. I refered to the fact that my spacebar was notworkingproperly , and that some of the keys were not working right. As for the statement no that was not a problem with the keyboard. D.J |
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I don't think any of use want to know why your keys were sticking.  |
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Joe....read between the lines.......
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Should we protest the cross as a terrorist's weapon? Report children wearing a symbol that is an instrument of torture to their schools? After all, they prohibit the wearing of gang symbols... And, that's what the Christian kids have become in schools today: little gangsters for Christ. They're constantly pressuring my daughter to join in their little cliques. She is actually afraid to come to a freethinker's party at her own house with her dad. She doesn't want to be excluded from the 'gang.' My brother often said that he wouldn't wear a replica of a Remington rifle around his neck if someone he appreciated had been shot to death with one. He's a Christian. |
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Where in the flippin' world do you live and why don't you do something to protect your daughter from these "gangsters" as you call them if they are as dangerous as you say they are?
Are the two questions that come to mind. There were some in my daughter's public school that had things to say about the cross my daughter sometimes wears..... along with her goth clothes!! One was so foolish as to physically accost her over it....BAD career move all around!! I went to school the next day and was dressed down by the principal. I then asked him why the teacher did not stop the altercation, why was it left to my daughter? He said there was not time to do so. Oh?? What happened, in the teacher's opinion. The teacher was called to the principals office and it was relayed to us how the girl in question called Carly a few names the teacher started in their direction then the girl punched Carly...Carly then drove one between the girl's running lights and one more in the mouth as she went down.....fight over. I then contributed the thought that Carly was doing as she had been instructed....finishing the fight....ultimately they were forced to agree although they would have preferred she use different methods. I assured them she would only reply in kind to what methods were used against her in the future, as she had that day. They seemed to accept that. Good for them!! They then went on to institute a program in the school that I had designed vis a vis religious tolerance between ALL people of whatever faith. Or none at all, much as I have done elsewhere. It begins at the third grade level and goes right through grade school and I make sure it is received for free to all who ask. T |
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I suppose we could think of it as a lower case letter 't'... for terrorist. |
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No need to read between the lines T. I say what i mean, I dont use strange words just plain English, in order for a person to hide information between lines a person would have to be two faced. I say what I mean directly. D.J. |
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It's T's imagination that lies between the lines, D.J. You can be read as well as any book. |
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Ya know i didn't want to go here but old Joe just eats this crap up so here ya go.....
For the adults in the audience when some body tells you to read between the "lines" and nothing has been presented in writing....what could they possibly mean???? Simple.....it MEANS they are holding up their HAND and telling you to read between the "lines" ya know.... the ones between their fingers!!! Har de har har de har har har!!!!! Imagine that Joe a flippin' joke.....sorta......no real imagination required!! NOW pick up your spoon and keep stirrin' the pot big guy.... let's ALL have a laugh!!! |
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Well T. This isnt Joe but I reckon that one went right over my head, Some time I am realy thankful I do not have your debating skills or education. In an instance like this I have to admit I am proud to be the uneducated idiout i have been accused of being.
D.J. |
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Whoz accussed ya of dat??? Point 'em out! I'll murdelize 'em! It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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