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Obama dismisses Dobson criticism about Bible
Barack Obama said Tuesday that evangelical leader James Dobson was "making stuff up" when he accused the presumed Democratic presidential nominee of distorting the Bible. Obama said Leviticus suggests slavery is OK and eating shellfish is an abomination. Obama also cited Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, "a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application." What has the Defense Department got to do with the Sermon on the Mount… http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1427946 |
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Dobson accusing others of distorting the Bible.
What was that bit about pots and kettles? |
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Hi Tiger, Obama would do well to leave Dobson alone… Obama voted 96% straight down the ultra-liberal venue… kind-a strange how none of that has even been broached yet. Sure doesn’t sound like change to me – just more of the same… Dobson is too well respected to be thumped by a knucklehead like Obama… I mean Obama helped his pastor, Jeremiah Wright; organize Farrakhan’s “Million Man March,” but he’s never heard his pastor say disparaging things… hmm, Obama’s family supported a dude named Frank Davis – who was supposedly a known member of the Communist Party USA and a Communist writer – again, another supposed “mentor” of the “I never heard him say that” Obama… He mentions the guy in his book. Obama also worked with someone named Saul Alinsky – another communist loyalist… Obama is linked to Carl Davidson the leading member of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism… I never thought it was possible but I’m starting to believe Obama has more dirty laundry than Bill & Hillary combined… how is that even possible? If only half of that stuff is true, Obama needs to figure out which war he’s fighting. Personally, I folks are sitting on the real damaging info on him. It doesn’t make sense to leak it all out now. They’ll wait until Sept- Oct then it will come pouring out and he won’t have time to put out that many fires… I think the guy is toast… They already shoved so much stuff under the rug it’s created second floor… |
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Just in case you don't know what Obama is talking about when he says Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, here it is. Now explain it away so the Dept. of Defense can use it or even James Dobson for that matter.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. And remember, it is so much easier to say you believe in Jesus than it is to believe Jesus. And one wonders why there are skeptics about Christians meaning what they say? Jesus is a "liberal", kids. You think he was a 'conservative' like you, ask him what he'd do about tax breaks for rich. Nice check list, those teachings of Jesus. Wouldn't it be grand if any Christians took them seriously. Go ahead, give them a try, Christian. |
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Hi rt, It’s late I gotta get home, but just wanted to pun in… So, how do those statements fit in with the Nation of Islam – especially, Farrakhan’s brand…? That’s the part that me thinks I need to smoke another bowl or something – sumpin aint rite sumwhir… Obama just don't add up right... too many contradictions... Just my thoughts… PS – Jesus was a liberal – just not a democrat! He still "liberates" lots of folks - you too can join in... He wasn’t a pacifist, unless you think reprisal in 70AD was for kicks… Do you think giving to Caesar was His first choice? Or do you think that was their due because they wanted a king like all the nations – back when they whined about having a human king instead of God…? You know what it says, don’t you… Israel was paying Caesar because of their own dumb fault… not GOD’s! They made their bed – and you know the rest of that story… See ya later |
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Wouldn't it be grand if the world took them seriously...there would be no need for the Defense Department...carry on scholar... |
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"Stand in the ways and see, And ask for the old paths, where the good way is, And walk in it; Then you will find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it." Jeremiah 6:16
Obama accused of ‘dragging biblical understanding through gutter'... |
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“a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application.” |
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And wouldn't it be nice if instead of whining about placing the Ten Commandments up in public places that Christians put as much enthusiasm into getting the Beatitudes up instead - even in their churches and hearts? I like the Jesus I see in the New Testament, like Jefferson did - not the one the typical evangelical parades to the public - like James Dobson does.
Give me a liberal from an inner city mostly black church any day that understand and make real efforts to repeatably try to take the teaching of Jesus serious towards the widows, orphans, poor, sick and in prison. I'll believe those folks long before I'd believe a character like Dobson from a "yuppie" town in Colorado. When people like Dobson start giving their own coats away and start practicing the beatitudes that Jesus taught, then maybe I'd sit up and pay attention... but few there are that follow those footsteps. Who cares what Obama's former pastor said? It can't possibly be more dangerous than the Pharasetical thumb-screws Dobson wants to apply to people... even those who don't ascribe to Christianity. Besides, the election isn't about religion - we aren't electing a "pope" or reaffirming the bible as our rule. We are selecting a secular leader. Period. Some one to uphold and defend the Constitution and not some notion about what god really wants. Someone, hopefully, that will dredge us out of this past eight years of hypocrisy... and do it with as little religious b.s. as possible. |
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You poor deluded professor. The above paragrphs are a display of the depth of the delusion of anti-christian bigotry so popular among evolutionary atheistic folks today. How is it that produce tension and others of this stripe would know more personal information about respected Christian leaders (such as their tithing habits) than those who love and support 'worthy' ministries. There has NEVER been any positive comment by such as these about well known ministries of which I am aware. I am at a loss (no surprise there) as to what sort of shims are used by these "Jesus Seminar" types that keeps the egomaniac heads of the anti-Christ crowd from caving in. Pity the stoogents that hold these egomaniac folks in high regard and must face the world after enduring some of these unbalanced educational systems, the promoters and tenured profs. Wish I was in error about this stuff but at the least there is the promise of a coming day!! RT likes the NT Jesus (G-d). Just doesn't understand the OT ONE. That too can change and is more likely to change WAY before any Obama changes take affect. Let's hope so. If the O-man (tsk tsk) were elected nothing would seem to change as I see it; but, then, I'm color blind so to speak. That is a good thing.  |
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Hi Duce, Yep – it’s a bit long – Your (x)hippie-anti-authority rebellious side is glowing on that one… The Ten Commandments & Beatitudes come from the same God – both with equal love and passion – both with the intention to help us live humanely. Without law – there is chaos. In reality, without consequence, there is no protection. I’m sure you know this stuff better than I do… Here’s your contradiction Duce - Why is it that Rev. Wright is supposedly more believable, according to your description above, yet, obviously spews some serious militant venom – supports Farrakhan’s twisted mantra of hatred, is building a 10-million dollar mansion paid for by his church? And I bet he has some pretty big closets with lots of coats…! Yet, you give him a free-pass. So… Are you saying “IF” Dr. Dobson were to start preaching like Wright & Farrakhan, you’d respect him more, you’d “then” believe Dobson…? Sure ya would… what’s wrong with that picture…? Dobson gets busted quite a bit from religious leaders on all sides. He’s a doctor who is also a Christian. He isn’t a preacher – pretending to be a doctor. So, okay, let’s compare notes: First and foremost: – Dobson is Christian man, husband, and father, who cares “passionately” about children. His passion for the physical & mental health of children is paramount. To understand Dobson, one must grasp that first - all else pales in comparison. If I were to describe Dobson, it is simply this - He tenaciously defends children and this passion that motivates him to focus on the family (no pun intended). His convictions are humanly based and biblically balanced (not perfect) upon this simply principle; that abused (all degrees & variations) children are innocent victims from the arrogances and whims of irresponsible adults. That’s just my 30+yrs of the Christian life & experience with his ministry. Now, here’s another twist to your strange-logic for attacking or badgering this man. Dobson is not a preacher! He is a licensed psychologist who is also a Christian. He is a Christian man, husband, father, and professional. I’ll simply paste some of his accolades for your convenience… Dobson was for 14 years an Associate Clinical Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Southern California, School of Medicine, and served for 17 years on the Attending Staff of Children's Hospital of Los Angeles in the Division of Child Development and Medical Genetics. He has an earned Ph.D. from the University of Southern California (1967) in the field of child development. He is a licensed psychologist in the state of California and a licensed marriage, family and child counselor in both California and Colorado. He is listed in Who's Who in Medicine and Healthcare. IN RECOGNITION of distinguished service in preserving the family, Dr. James Dobson has been recognized with academic honors over the past 20 years. Honorary Degrees Doctor of Laws from Pepperdine University (1983) Doctor of Humanities from Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ohio (1988) Doctor of Humane Letters from Seattle Pacific University (1988) Doctor of Humane Letters from Asbury Theological Seminary (1989) Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters from Mid-America Nazarene College (1992) Doctor of Letters from Liberty University (1993) Doctor of Humane Letters from Campbell University (1994) Doctor of Humane Letters from Point Loma Nazarene College (1994) Doctor of Literature from Biola University (1995), Doctor of Humanities from Abilene Christian University (1995) Doctor of Humane Letters from Huntington College (1997) Doctor of Public Service from Greenville College (1997) Doctor of Humane Letters from William Tyndale College (1998) Doctor of Humanities from Harding University (1999) Doctor of Humanities from Olivet Nazarene University (1999) Doctor of Humane Letters from Indiana Wesleyan University (2005) Dobson has written over 50 books – I won’t bore you with the titles… Awards and Recognition Dr. Dobson was chosen as Layman of the Year by the National Association of Evangelicals in 1982. He was honored in 1987 as "The Children's Friend" by CHILDHELP USA, an organization devoted to the prevention of child abuse. He received the Alumni Merit Award from the University of Southern California General Alumni Association (1989); the Humanitarian Award by the California State Psychological Association (1988); the "Philip Award" from the United Methodist Church (1994); the "1996 Man of the Year Award" by the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists; and 1997 International Human Life Award from Human Life International; Salvation Army "Others" Award (1999); the "Christian Counseling in the Media Award" from the Board of Directors of the Christian Association for Psychological Studies (CAPS)(1999);the Catholic Alliance Family Advocate of the Year Award (2001); and the "Proudly Pro-Life Award," given by the National Right to Life (2002); the "Churchill Award" for Courageous and Committed Service to the Conservative Cause from the Council for National Policy (2002); the Fellowship of Christian Athletes "Tom Landry Award" (2003); and Marketplace Ministries "Integrity in Family Award" (2004); Promise Keepers "Trail Blazer Award" (2005); Indiana Wesleyan University's Society of World Changers induction (2005); the First Baptist Church of Dallas' "W.A. Criswell Lifetime Christian Citizenship Award" (2006); the inaugural Family Research Council “Vison and Leadership Award” (2007); and the Ma’ayaney Hayeshua Medical Center “Defender of Life” award (2007). Now – let’s look at who reaches who James C. Dobson, Ph.D., is founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, a non-profit organization that produces his internationally syndicated radio programs, heard on over 3,000 radio facilities in North America and in twenty seven languages in approximately 4,130 additional facilities in over 160 other countries. His commentaries are heard by more than 220 million people by way of radio every day, including a translation of a program carried on state-owned radio stations in the Republic of China. He is seen on approximately 60 television stations daily in the U.S. Leadership Salaries of Focus on the Family Dobson – Chairman - receives ZERO compensation (I think) President – not compensated President, Focus on the Family Institute – 123k per yr Senior VP – 121k per yr VP of Global Services – 114k per yr. …and this is the result of ONE-MAN’S vision – conviction – and passion to do the best for children and families. Yet, you don’t like the guy because he, like Wright, has an opinion. Duce – the irony of it is this – (IMHO) aside from a few things, your views are much closer to Dobson’s than Wright’s rhetoric. Dobson advocates decency and respect. Your hiccup is he opposes abortion and gay marriage. He opposes abortion because it “kills” kids. He opposes gay marriage because based upon his professional opinion, it is wrong. Sadly, what folks don’t realize about him is – it isn’t so much as being “against” gay marriage as it is that he believes folks entering into those relationships & lifestyle are being sold a lie. They are trading the best for something less. He is vilified because simply because he is against gay marriage & abortion and he has the podium to voice his opinion. Yeah, I know this was long... |
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Blessings GlassOnion,
Have you visited this web site? http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/ LJ
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 GlassOnion thank you |
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NO - thanks for "exposing" it... I'm going to dig into this one and find out how they justify their reasoning... I have yet to hear Barack espouse a single conviction of his own... IMHO - everything he has offered is nothing more than well memorized and rehearsed “prefab” statements. Honestly, it really disappoints me. I really did hope Obama had something – substance – authentic – smart enough to know what he believed and why he believed it. However, the more I hear him talk – especially when he’s being asked something the “first” time… He back peddles – hesitates – pauses – dances – wiggles – then finally, his little Memorex comment splicer grabs onto a file and he sort-a slurs pieces of it out – without any context… Simply – it isn’t him – it isn’t his conviction or belief or just good ole’ honest (right or wrong) opinion – it’s a fragmented hard drive desperately trying to access that freaking file – but can’t… If it were him, if it was the “man” Obama – his answers would regurgitate – and they’d be succinct, consistent, without all the hoopla… Hit him with a question today and two days from now, he’ll have a well versed answer. That tells me all I need to know – he’s a politician… But he isn’t JUST ANOTHER politician, not from my perspective… IMHO – like I mentioned, the more I hear him, the more dangerous I think the guy really is… Maybe I’m wrong – I honestly hope I am – but I think the guy has a seriously twisted agenda. What the republicans need to recognize is – he might be a newbie politician on the national seen but he isn’t a newbie manipulator. He comes from one of the most politically corrupt areas of the country. This Nation of Islam thing is not going away. Thus far, most issues have sort-a bounced off without leaving too much of a stain. However, I don’t think it’s because they are none issues. I think it’s because the republicans don’t want to give him and the liberal media too much time to spin it away. I’d like to see what these folks are using to justify supporting someone who has “THE” most liberal record in the entire senate. Barack has socialism so closely tied to every part of his life – it’s beyond ridiculous. Socialism is the backbone of the liberal agenda. Communism is the underpinnings of the ultra liberal agenda… Have you ever seen this website… http://www.worldsocialism.org/index.php The folks I mentioned previously were all mentioned in Barak’s book(s) or friends of his family. Some of those folks are hardcore socialists. This explains Barack’s inability to convey substance. He can’t because his answer would be “pinged.” So, he must internalize it – then reconfigure it within an acceptable verbiage so not to set off alarms. IMHO – this explains why his speeches are appealing – yet, empty of any substance. It explains why he’s so polished with speeches – and deflective when hit with new issues. I’d be willing to bet – when they finally start debating – Obama’s camp will force or secretly do whatever it takes to learn about the subject questions prior to debate. Maybe I’m wrong but my gut tells me otherwise. |
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Blessings GlassOnion, Not exposed but shared. My initial research is that the comparative statements adn quotes are very accurate. There is more comparison to d and I may or may not do it, time permits. Hopefully the debates will help me sweep away the chaff and see clearly. On the candidates: (1) I spent 9 years in Arizona in the early John McCain Senate terms and know a bit about him and his history. For me, the Jury is still out for a specific reason. (2) I have some friends who are radical churches and others acquaintances who frequent the Nation of Islam relays and events. Barack Obama is not a friend to the radical chirch nor to the Nation of Islam. He has caused a huge decline in attendance to both organizations. So the issue is to find out exactly what he proposes to do and how he proposes to do it. For me, the Jury's still out and stupid attacks are clouding my ability to zero in on the facts. Stay alert as more information is to come, I am sure. LJ P.s. BTW I am one of them Independents that both candidates want to vote for them. 
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