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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
If we're supposed to be made in God's image and God is at least some form of what we call energy, then it stands to reason that our form of energy is similar to God's.

So why wouldn't alien life form energy be similar to our's just because their bodies are different? We all know our bodies are merely vessels that contain our personal energy so what really separates us from extraterrestrials?

Not much really.

Given God is the center of all things we've got to accept that we're merely one species and we're all "God's Children" made in God's own image ... energy.

And just like we're connected ... so are they ... and we're all connected together in God's cosmos.

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Yes. Given the billions of star systems with even more billions of planets orbiting them it is mathematically impossible for us to be the only life form in this existence.

If one of our primary purposes in this life is truly to learn, then it stands to reason our interaction has to reach beyond what we currently know thus we find ourselves consistently asking questions in our search for higher understanding.

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
The center of all things.

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Energy beyond our base of knowledge at this point. Consider the mechanics are essentially the same as what we know of as physics in this dimension while in others it's quite different.

Consider that parallel dimensions exist simultaneously in different sizes and shapes and that time itself is circular wherein it repeats itself instead of the linear concept we've come to teach ourselves.

Consider that God is at the center of all and can be loosely translated into being the binding energy which binds us all together.

Consider that spirituality is our very connection with everything and that everything has it's connection with us because energy flows multi directional simultaneously and interacts with other energies by attraction.

Consider that each of our energies radiates in vibrations at frequencies that fluctuate depending on feelings, emotions and moods and that part of our non physical self reads other entities energies whether we are conscious of this simple universal truth or not.

Consider that many who reject the concept of God are truly rejecting the limited approach ancient religions imposed upon themselves and thus they truly are instinctively seeking their own spiritual path even though they might not be aware of this either.

As I continually write, spirituality is our personal connection with our surroundings while religion is a group practice of individual spirituality based on common shared beliefs, definitions and rituals.

It's all laid out before us. All we have to do is open our minds to other possibilities and allow ourselves to go with the cosmic flow and the giant puzzle we call existence unfolds before our very souls.

Consider that this is exactly what the personage of Christ Jesus was actually teaching but the world of his time wasn't prepared for it any more than the world of our time is prepared for it now.

Again ... it's all right there in the New Contemporary Version of the Bible when we retrain ourselves to view things in a more universal perspective.

The really exciting aspect of all this is the same spiritual message in deeply imbedded in all the other major works from the Torah to the Quran to the Tao Te Ching. Again, all we have to do is look for the common threads instead of always trying to look for the discrepencies and everything reveals itself.

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
God bless you Bill. We're all where we're supposed to be and it is what it is. Peace be with you in all things.

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Yes. Given the billions of star systems with even more billions of planets orbiting them it is mathematically impossible for us to be the only life form in this existence.

If one of our primary purposes in this life is truly to learn, then it stands to reason our interaction has to reach beyond what we currently know thus we find ourselves consistently asking questions in our search for higher understanding.

Describe god.

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Yes. Given the billions of star systems with even more billions of planets orbiting them it is mathematically impossible for us to be the only life form in this existence.

If one of our primary purposes in this life is truly to learn, then it stands to reason our interaction has to reach beyond what we currently know thus we find ourselves consistently asking questions in our search for higher understanding.

Describe god.

In a word Energy beyond our comprehension?

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What kind of 'energy?'

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Originally posted by john2x:

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What kind of 'energy?'

Is there more than one kind?

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Kinetic and potential energy, electrical, heat, radiant.

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Originally posted by Nyxt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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What kind of 'energy?'

Is there more than one kind?

Kinetic and potential energy, electrical, heat, radiant.

There are a few types of energy. However in the discussion of god it is generally assumed to be a "creative" energy that is not defined by science.

Onward to what is god. God would be the energy that existed since before time weither or not it is sentient or not is up to your beliefs. Once the energy was released for whatever reason it would have created matter (yes science has proven energy can be converted into matter) and set all the energy and matter spinning through the known universe. And that is where god ends and belief takes over.

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Originally posted by LegionSon:
It's been a long time Nyxt. I like this post. I hope life has been obedient to your wishes.

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And because we are only a derivitive, we could not possibly comprehend the totality of God execpt in the use of the word "Infinite".

I therefore only disagree with the statements concerning energy in that I believe God is more than the energy that He exerts.

- LegionSon -

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Originally posted by LegionSon:

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Originally posted by Nyxt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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What kind of 'energy?'

Is there more than one kind?

Kinetic and potential energy, electrical, heat, radiant.

There are a few types of energy. However in the discussion of god it is generally assumed to be a "creative" energy that is not defined by science.

Onward to what is god. God would be the energy that existed since before time weither or not it is sentient or not is up to your beliefs. Once the energy was released for whatever reason it would have created matter (yes science has proven energy can be converted into matter) and set all the energy and matter spinning through the known universe. And that is where god ends and belief takes over.

It's been a long time Nyxt. I like this post. I hope life has been obedient to your wishes.

Since the word "create" is an action verb and "creative" is the adjective that describes the energy by "God/The Creator" that was exerted before our time so as to create us and all we know to exist(all that is seen and unseen), then just as we exert energy to produce our desired effect or materials, that which is God is the One Being doing the action that creates us.
In other words, the energy exerted is just the result of the action or desire to create.

This equates to --->"The Creators" "Creative action" exerts "creative energy" resulting in "creation".

john2x is right when he points out that "You speak of the conversion of energy." "Energy in equals energy out". And I am pretty sure you had already known this but were just answering in regards to the different types of energy. I brought this up because I agree with you that when God created the universe as we know it, He had use of a certain "creative energy" that we will never be able to attain or comprehend or measure. And, this energy is what created all the other forms of energy as you describe.

It only stands to reason then that we are derivitives and so are the forms of energy that came into existence after the decision was made to use this "creative energy" to form all of what we know as "being".

So, would you not agree with the original post of this thread that no matter what the matter, whether we "beings" are human or alien we are all still created by this God that we all desire to know and understand? Therefore alien life would not disprove God's existence.
And because we are only a derivitive, we could not possibly comprehend the totality of God execpt in the use of the word "Infinite".

I therefore only disagree with the statements concerning energy in that I believe God is more than the energy that He exerts.

- LegionSon -

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Originally posted by billbright:
Does he stand on two feet and walk the earth?

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Originally posted by Nyxt:

Life has not been good to me up until a couple months ago. I ended up losing just about everything materialistic. Ended up swallowing pride and moving back home after 9 years, but things are looking up.Sorry to hear that Nyxt, life has it's ups and downs, better days aheadkeep you head up.

Yes and no.. Matter and energy are tied into each other, energy can be converted into matter and matter into energy, but the whole remains the same. But for us with our current level of technology it is not practical to make anything. And the energy required to create anything is worth more than what we would be able to produce. And yes I'm aware that maybe the scientific term may be energy matter conversion or something like that, I don't get caught up on semantics like that with a religious discussion.Sounds similar to "don't waste your energy because it doesn't matter"lol.
But we are consumers/energy in equals energy out/ so we are in constant need of altering matter to sustain ourselves. And that's what makes it practical to convert energies. It sounds like you are familiar with the farmer that complains that the amount of fuel used to produce the crops sometimes makes it seem impratical to even till the soil at all, but there are still those who need the food instead of the fuel.

As soon as you give the energy an intent on creating life or even the universe you start moving into belief. From there you are going to get 100 million different versions of the same thing.Well, at least we agree on the First Principle of the existence of God. You just concentrate on the energy exerted while I concentrate on the Supreme Being exerting the energy. And your right, there are many differing opinions in this "matter". That's why this country is so great having "Freedom Of Religion" where all men of differing religions have been allowed to remain free thinkers.

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Originally posted by Nyxt:

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Originally posted by billbright:
Does he stand on two feet and walk the earth?

No he stands on 3 feet and hobbles around because he gave up the 4th to make the universe :P

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Originally posted by Nyxt:

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Originally posted by billbright:
Does he stand on two feet and walk the earth?

No he stands on 3 feet and hobbles around because he gave up the 4th to make the universe :P

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by Deanosaur:
Yes. Given the billions of star systems with even more billions of planets orbiting them it is mathematically impossible for us to be the only life form in this existence.

If one of our primary purposes in this life is truly to learn, then it stands to reason our interaction has to reach beyond what we currently know thus we find ourselves consistently asking questions in our search for higher understanding.

Describe god.

In a word Energy beyond our comprehension?

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Originally posted by LegionSon:

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Originally posted by Nyxt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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What kind of 'energy?'

Is there more than one kind?

Kinetic and potential energy, electrical, heat, radiant.

There are a few types of energy. However in the discussion of god it is generally assumed to be a "creative" energy that is not defined by science.

Onward to what is god. God would be the energy that existed since before time weither or not it is sentient or not is up to your beliefs. Once the energy was released for whatever reason it would have created matter (yes science has proven energy can be converted into matter) and set all the energy and matter spinning through the known universe. And that is where god ends and belief takes over.

It's been a long time Nyxt. I like this post. I hope life has been obedient to your wishes.

Since the word "create" is an action verb and "creative" is the adjective that describes the energy by "God/The Creator" that was exerted before our time so as to create us and all we know to exist(all that is seen and unseen), then just as we exert energy to produce our desired effect or materials, that which is God is the One Being doing the action that creates us.
In other words, the energy exerted is just the result of the action or desire to create.

This equates to --->"The Creators" "Creative action" exerts "creative energy" resulting in "creation".

john2x is right when he points out that "You speak of the conversion of energy." "Energy in equals energy out". And I am pretty sure you had already known this but were just answering in regards to the different types of energy. I brought this up because I agree with you that when God created the universe as we know it, He had use of a certain "creative energy" that we will never be able to attain or comprehend or measure. And, this energy is what created all the other forms of energy as you describe.

It only stands to reason then that we are derivitives and so are the forms of energy that came into existence after the decision was made to use this "creative energy" to form all of what we know as "being".

So, would you not agree with the original post of this thread that no matter what the matter, whether we "beings" are human or alien we are all still created by this God that we all desire to know and understand? Therefore alien life would not disprove God's existence.
And because we are only a derivitive, we could not possibly comprehend the totality of God execpt in the use of the word "Infinite".

I therefore only disagree with the statements concerning energy in that I believe God is more than the energy that He exerts.

- LegionSon -