|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||
|
Go
|
New
|
Find
|
Notify
|
Tools
|
Reply
|
|
Experienced Member |
Those who believe in Him: How big is he? Is he jolly-fat? Does he have tattoos?
People by the billions believe in some sort of god, but the Abrahamic religions can't describe the one they believe in. It's an intentional mystery, some say. Read the scanty descriptions of him that you can find in all the religious literature, not just the Bible or Koran. He's a monster of un-described proportions. In some instances he lives in a cloud [see Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night], other times he's taller than a mountain and walks the earth as a giant, [See Exodus 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by. 23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.]...Nobody is allowed to look upon his "glory" and live, though he has no problem with Moses seeing his tukus. You'll note that the Exodus passage seems to indicate that he's at least twice as tall as a high hill or mountain, inasmuch as he lifts Moses up and sets him on a handy cliff to look at His azz. Here he's either a fire, or he walks around in a fire; obviously he talks: Deuteronomy 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. He's evidently male, inasmuch as he created Adam to look like "them." ...Which leads to the question of who the others are in "we." Mrs. God must be baking cookies for the church bake-sale all this time. Does God have horns? Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. [Some have said that the horns are actually a reference to his sexual organ and masculine prowess. Me, I don't know... It's just mythological gibberish.] It sounds like he has really large hands, large enough to cover an entire people at once, not to mention their land, golden hemorrhoids, and mice: 1 Samuel 6:5 Wherefore ye shall make images of your emerods, and images of your mice that mar the land; and ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel: peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods, and from off your land. |
||
|
Member |
 |
|||
|
|
On Warning 20 Days 08/29/08 Fin "Lakum deenukum waliya deen" To you be your Way, and to me mine (109:6)  |
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
2:255 GOD - there is no deity save Him, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsistent Fount of All Being. Neither slumber overtakes Him, nor sleep. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth. Who is there that could intercede with Him, unless it be by His leave? He knows all that lies open before men and all that is hidden from them, whereas they cannot attain to aught of His knowledge save that which He wills them to attain. His eternal power overspreads the heavens and the earth, and their upholding wearies Him not. And He alone is truly exalted, tremendous. 112:1 SAY: "He is the One God: 112:2 "God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being. 112:3 "He begets not, and neither is He begotten; 112:4 "and there is nothing that could be compared with Him. 59:22 GOD IS HE save whom there is no deity: the One who knows all that is beyond the reach of a created being’s perception, as well as all that can be witnessed by a creature’s senses or mind: He, the Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace. 59:23 God is He save whom there is no deity: the Sovereign Supreme, the Holy, the One with whom all salvation rests, the Giver of Faith, the One who determines what is true and false, the Almighty, the One who subdues wrong and restores right, the One to whom all greatness belongs! Utterly remote is God, in His limitless glory, from anything to which men may ascribe a share in His divinity! 59:24 He is God, the Creator, the Maker who shapes all forms and appearances! His alone are the attributes of perfection. All that is in the heavens and on earth extols His limitless glory: for He alone is almighty, truly wise! |
|||
|
Experienced Member |
I think this is the third time bill has started this thread.....................
|
|||
|
 LEAD MODERATOR HOT TOPICS   |
So why not answer our friend Bill......
You want to know what my God looks like? He looks kinda like the face of my wife of 20 years..... and he looks kind of like the face of my middle child, oxygen deprived at birth, diagnosed as bipolar, childhood depressed, extreme add/adhd, with extreme aggression disorder.. who now is happy, healthy, on grade level in school, and on the honor role...... and he looks a little like my best friends wife, of another race, who was with my wife when my last child was born, since I was in the Gulf at the time..... and he looks a lot like the face of my Daughter, as she comes to kiss me goodnight..... God has many faces, friend..... and if you seek him, you can recognize his face almost anywhere. zack  "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."~~~Theodore Roosevelt~~~ |
|||
|
|
Think... Before You Post...  FIVE TIGERS |
...and he looks like the face of Bill... "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1)  |
|||
|
|
Experienced Member |
Did I...? I forget. There are other places I visit on the web. The funny thing is... nobody has ever been able to describe that in which they say they believe fervently, except in poetic terms like Salaam, et al. Nobody knows if he's seven feet or seven miles tall. Nobody knows if he has a thirty-two inch waist or a thirty-two mile waist... or, for that matter, whether or not he, she, or it has a waist at all. On the scantiest of evidence, people stake their lives on this creature, their reputations, and indeed the lives, reputations and sanity of their own children. How can this be? |
|||
|
|
Experienced Member |
You see... that's the problem. You have no idea if I am indeed THE living god. How can you know? You would be one of the first ones to say that god moves in mysterious ways, wouldn't you? Maybe SS is the one. ...Or, just maybe, no one is. |
|||
|
|
Member |
quote by billbright: "You see... that's the problem. You have no idea if I am indeed THE living god. How can you know? You would be one of the first ones to say that god moves in mysterious ways, wouldn't you? Maybe SS is the one. ...Or, just maybe, no one is."
------------------------------------------------ GOD IS God Is... that "is" to say, He "is" with us. We can't escape. God loves. His love "will" stay. He shows us, it's we who turn away. We heard Him and we obeyed. We saw Him and still we strayed. We felt Him and long for more. He's in our hearts, this "is" the door. We see Him; some don't. We feel Him; some won't. For those who know, do not despair. His love "does" flow for all to share. Keep open your ears. Keep open your eyes. Reject the fears. Reject the lies. Keep open your heart. Don't shut the door. If we depart, we will "be" no more. Love,Feed,Heal, Give,Teach,Nourish. Through these... God "does" flourish - i promise - "His"..."will"..."be"..."done" - LegionSon - |
|||
|
|
Think... Before You Post... FIVE TIGERS |
over and out... "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Ps 127:1) |
|||
|
|
Member |
In my understanding, by definition, God is infinite. Therefore, anything that has finite or limiting dimensions or descriptions is not God. However, being infinite, God can manifest within our perception in finite forms (reflections, if you please) that we can comprehend.
Is "____" God? No. Is "____" a reflection of God, or part of God? Sure. (Fill in the blank with whatever divine manifestation you wish.) Common finite manifestations of divine power are the "Gods" that are worshiped by humans. Of course, one of my favorite things to tell people who ask self-defeating questions like this (ie. define the infinite) is: God is approximately 15 feet in diameter, and three feet high. He is composed of the finest durum wheat semolina flour, and has many noodley appendages. He is anointed with marinara sauce, and possesses two massive meatballs and googley eyes. He is adorned with a dusting of aged Parmesan cheese. He flies unseen above the clouds, and immediately uses his powers of invisibility when human beings look towards him. Has the Flying Spaghetti Monster touched you lately? |
|||
|
|
Member |
Describe God…
Not to sound like a cliché but… Jesus sort-a summed it up with Thomas & Philip … Jn 12:45 “He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me. Jn 14:7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” 8. Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9. Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? My-man Philip just wasn’t getting it and what really bugs me is – I sure can identify with him sometimes… then comes hardhead Thomas… Jn 20:26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” 27. Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28. Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” man, oh man, I cannot imagine what Tommy must have been thinking when Jesus told him to reach his finger in here – look at my side… man, Tom’s freaking brains must have been fried… Why? Because it was EIGHT-DAYS earlier when THOMAS said those “exact” words… unless he sees from himself – he sees His nail-scared hands, etc, etc… What else could Thomas say but, My Lord and my God…? The boy probably had skid-marks in his drawers and I bet he never said a knuckleheaded thing like that again… that one left a mark. I tend to think of it this way… How many folks have kids or young relatives? As we see them growing up do we want them to be someone special – rich – famous – president – etc… aaa, maybe, sort-of but not really… Have you ever thought that your desire for their future might be partly based upon their personality? Some are characters and we think – I hope they do well finding their dreams… some are just good wholesome kids – I hope they find that person who fulfills their lives… some are talented – I hope they get the opportunity and the tenacity to make it… some are smart… etc Don’t most of us want the best for folks, especially so for those who we think we might have-a glimpse of what’s on the inside…? Is God any different? Does He need to be? Why can’t God just want the best for us – hope we abide in Him – hope we veer in the right direction and not get tangled up with some of the messes? Is God really so spiritual we can’t really relate? Yet, isn’t that what Jesus came to restore? Is it that God is so spiritual or are we so out of tune. Is our compass tuned to God’s ways or Captain Jack Sparrow’s of Black Pearl? We keep taping it – tweaking it and thinking we’re making improvements but it sure seems like we’re still going around the mountain like those Israelis. And the real sad part is – we have the freaking book – can’t figure out why they were such boneheads and what took them 40 years to figure out – we’re still grappling with 4000 yrs later… Oh, but we’re advanced now…? Yep… The OT shows us God’s Holiness. We’ve deemed them rigid intolerant religious rules. Are they really? If one of our astronauts forgets to put on their space suit, is NASA intolerant because that person obliterates (whatever happens) when they open the door? Sound kind-a strange? God’s Holiness is actually the same way. Those laws – rules – principles – (whatever) – they are simply the instructions so we know how to put on the suit. He isn’t forcing us – but if we don’t wear the suit those are the consequences. Did all those plants grow or simply appear already mature? How long did God walk in the garden with Adam & Eve – before the fall? Did God sit down with Adam and layout some of the garden plans? Here’s a cool question that rattles my brain – if God walked with Adam & Eve in the garden, when did they realize He was, OH NO, it’s God? When their hearts were pure, were His ways considered rules – laws – right or wrong – good/bad? What was their day like before the fall? I have to admit reminiscing about the good-ole days has a special place in my heart. In fact, I bet we all feel that way – at least to some extent… Why can’t God simply desire the same things for us? Describe God – my creator – God – father - savior – friend & brother – who quite simply wants to hangout with me (and others) forever… what’s cooler than that? just my thoughts... |
|||
|
|
Experienced Member |
But, when you were writing this, didn't you get that feeling in the back of your neck that what you were saying didn't really answer anything and was quite the bullshi t answer? If you were going to buy a car... something the average adult does a dozen times in life, you'd know every little detail about it, but you wouldn't buy it if somebody gave you poetic bullshi t and nothing more. But god? Hell, all that has to happen is for a woman you're suddenly infatuated with to say, "Hi. I'm Calvary Baptist... wanna come to my church," and that's enough to get most young men to "believe" the malarkey that goes with it after two months of engagement. I have a nephew by marriage who took four years of philosophy, and shortly after graduation he wound up adopting the religion of his beautiful new fiance, something he wouldn't have heard of if it hadn't been for her. It's one of those weird Church of God spin off's. He would have laughed at it, three years earlier. Now you couldn't get him to even discuss it. And he's raising two boys. What you won't do for regular nookie, eh? |
|||
|
|
Experienced Member |
'Nother thing about this post: Thomas was a Gnostic. He, himself, didn't record any actual belief that Jesus was supernaturally communed with God. It was John, et al, who decided that for him. Thomas's gospel itself wasn't acceptable to the crazy old hermits gathered at Nicea, nearly eight hundred years ago, nor any Christian church afterward. That being the case, I don't see this as much of an argument that Jesus is even related to God. |
|||
|
Member |
Its Moloch. He just reinvented himself and decided not to accept child sacrifice. Or maybe people just misunderstood what he wanted.  Or its the devil. He has horns too. 
|
|||
|
|
Member |
Were you expecting George Burns or something…? Nothing more than poetic nonsense – hmm, I guess the difference sits between the physical body we identify ourselves when we look in the mirror and the metaphysical we can’t explain. What’s the connection between the two. Why is laughter universally understood? Crying the same..? Sounds like your nephew wised-up… so, when are you going? If you were cloned, (God forbid) and raised in the same family, would that clone have the same personality? Why are identical twins so different, if they are identical? What about Siamese twins sharing the same body? I guess that’s why some folks understand that poetic nonsense and some don’t…. |
|||
|
|
Member |
|
How can you know? You would be one of the first ones to say that god moves in mysterious ways, wouldn't you? Maybe SS is the one. ...Or, just maybe, no one is.