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According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 36 states currently have moment-of-silence statutes -- 23 permit teachers to lead a moment of silence, and 13 require a moment of silence.
Nobody's fooling anybody. These are prayer times. And passing such statutes is a way of rubbing the noses of non-believers in religious s h i t, and nothing more. |
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Bill
a moment of silance seems to upset you, I can understand this in a way but do you think Atheist's are the only ones that should have right's? So far things i hear in the news media are all about people's rights, but a person of your education ( i do meen this with respect ) should be aware that everybody has rights and that if one persons rights are taken away then all rights should be taken away, Most people in these forums spent time in the Military so that people ( mainly U.S. citizens here in the U.S.) are free to choose. With respect DJ |
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The Congress shall make no laws regarding religion and the free exercise thereof.
Now, since the whole mess about prayer in school and in public venues was to prevent the favoritism previously shown Christianity, the moment of silence laws were crafted for those of faith, ANY faith, to pray to whomever they choose. For those of no faith, well, they can remember last weekend with their best friends girl, or at a football game think about the penthouse center fold, all they need do is S.T.F.U.! Can't stand silence now? Well stick your fingers in your ears and hum, row, row, row your boat, or something!! How about... Mary had a little lamb and the doctor almost fainted, old Mc donald had a farm and the doctor passed away!! That should do it for ya!! And if one of the players scores a touchdown close your eyes so you don't see them cross themselves as they sometimes do!! T |
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It's all just another attempt to make nothing sacred.
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As long as people of every religion are allowed to "pray" exactly as they wish for the moment of silence. If one student brings in a prayer mat and kneels down to face Mecca during the moment of silence, will he be hassled? What if another student decides to take out crystals and feathers and honor Mother Goddess? You KNOW someone will raise a ruckus about that.
School time is for education. Personal time is for personal faith. When I attended a public high school, there was none of this "moment of silence" BS. My mother, sister, and I would say a morning prayer together in the car on the way to school. We went to church on our own time, not on school time. I attended Bible studies on my own time, not on school time, not on tax dollars. During study hall, some kids would read sci-fi novels, other kids would read the Bible. I actually read BOTH. (Yeah, sometimes I did homework, but I found it easier to concentrate on homework at home.) But there was no teacher-led period of time that was obviously dedicated to prayer. Unless something contributes to a secular education curriculum, there's no reason to have it in a public school. Why can't kids pray before and after school? Why can't they pray at recess? Why do the teachers need to lead a focused moment that's obviously set aside for prayer? |
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With equal respect, Bill Bright |
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Of course, because if one doesn't "believe" then they must do things such as sleep with their best friends girl or drool over **** mags. That is what you are trying to say here, Right? Of course it is. True colors will always show. Good day to you. |
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HANN;
These comments were for the SHOCK value ya know?? kinda like "who here thinks preachers are full of crap!!" I didn't see you jumping to anybodies defence then, did I?? If the kitchen makes you sweat, then go jump in the pool!! T |
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As far as minority rights, here we go again.
Well I'm starting a quarter breeds coalition to fight for the rights of those like me who don't get any rights or recognition!! Pyromaniacs of the world!! IGNITE!!! there's another overlooked minority, they don't have any rights either!!!! Now if you logically want to object to prayer of any kind in school then say so, no moment of silence, no crossing yourself at football games, NO POINTING UP AT THE SKY WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE THANKING GOD AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT IN A PUBLIC VENUE no asking for forgiveness for a mistake ( you might be asking god under in some sneaky new way) No more time to go to the rest room during classes, you might be going to sneak a prayer. And, for anybody that looks down at lunch time OUT....GET OUT.... YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY GRACE IN A PUBLIC PLACE!!! OUT, OUT,OUT,OUT!!!!!! Yeah, I can get on board with that |
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I love it when T goes ballistic.... And thanks for the idea, T. I'm going to suggest to schoolkids that they take the time to raise a finger to the heavens. I'm sure it's their right during this time of 'silence.' It is, after all their "belief" if you listen to anyone who isn't atheist. On some level, don't you suppose that this form of prayer is about as inoffensive at the clasped-hands variety? |
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Bill;
I guess I will have to reserve judgement till I see which finger it is you tell them to raise!!   T |
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If they raise their hands lifted up towards the heavens, would that be on palm Sunday?
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Shock value huh? I guess I can see that. It would be akin to someone saying "all preachers molest little boys". Yes? As for the "who here thinks preachers are full of crap!!" thread I did post there. I believe I mostly asked for some clairification as to what other posters meant. That's kind of what I do. I like to call out what I see and ensure it came across like it was meant. I admit I do it only on certain subjects. Subjects that interest me that is. I detected a hint of "labeling" from you and wanted to ensure wether or not you were actually applying said label to a group of people. 'Tis all. |
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I don't agree. As long as there is no teacher led prayer or religious remarks the fact that the reason it was created was to encourage prayer is not a problem. As the old saying goes "As long as there are tests there will be prayer in school".  |
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Teachers probably don't encourage prayer as a means of passing a test. When my students ask me how to pass a test I give them some tips for study and then say "...or, sacrifice some chickens to the god of good grades..." It is furthermore not unusual to find students who believe the ones with good grades got them because they are "lucky". |
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I remember a teacher that used to say something like "if you don't study this matterial you better pray God comes and gives you the answers because that is the only way anyone can pass one of my tests without studying" |
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Joe;
Are you surprised that there are those who think, that those who got good grades were just lucky?? Hell man, our whole society believes that those who are successful were just lucky, or are thieves, and liars!! Why would you be surprised by the same attitude in an academic venue!! They learned to think like that in school and from television. Listen to the political talk from Obama He doesn't want to punish success he just wants to take your money and give it to somebody else because your work and achievements in taking risks and running a successful business are just luck and you should give it to those who work for you never mind they won't take a gamble with their future YOU are their future so suck it up dude!! Give us the MONEY!! You stole it anyway!! T |
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Wouldn't I be lucky if he gave some of it to me!
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I certainly hope that this prayer time is used wisely.
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*laughs* That's excellent. Yes, there are plenty of kids who think that good grades are a result of "luck." That's very annoying for those of us who DID spend hours every night studying, who actually finished our homework and turned it in, and who are able to comprehend the subject material. I was once accused of cheating on a report during my senior year of high school because, as my teacher said, "This is not the work of an 18-year old." Now, bear in mind, I didn't have internet access at the time, and the teacher was unable to find any actual evidence of cheating. He couldn't - I'd written the whole thing myself, cited my sources, and created a valid report. Because there was no evidence whatsoever, he did give me the proper grade, but it was insulting to be accused like that. He was right about one thing though: it wasn't the work of an 18-year old. I was 17 at the time. It's sort of the same thing with weight. I've had fat women tell me, "You're just lucky you're so thin." I've finally become sick of that schitt, and whenever I hear that, I tell them exactly why I'm not fat. I exercise almost every day and I don't over-eat and eat junk food. And I tell them that they're probably fat because they eat too much and they're lazy. They don't like to hear that. Anyway, back on topic... If the kids want to use the moment of silence for something useful... we've already got that. It's called "study hall." |
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It's sort of the same thing with weight. I've had fat women tell me, "You're just lucky you're so thin." I've finally become sick of that schitt, and whenever I hear that, I tell them exactly why I'm not fat. I exercise almost every day and I don't over-eat and eat junk food. And I tell them that they're probably fat because they eat too much and they're lazy. They don't like to hear that. W.P. I hope you can rethink your response. My wife is large, but not from over eating and not from being lazy, There are alot of medical problems that can and will keep people from exercising/walking. She do'es what she can but still is not enough. You are very lucky/Blessed to be able to stay thin. May G-D continue to bless you. Have a good day D.J |
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You might recall Scott Peck, the retired Army 'shrink' and pop psychologist who wrote the book "A Road Less Traveled", where he says "Life is hard.... because people are lazy." That applies to academia a lot, though it is true some people are certainly born smarter than others... but it still takes applying the brain cells to the work. I see those who are smart who do appear to breeze through with good grades; and I see those who work very hard but are still unsure of how they are doing; and those who seem to think osmoses will give them what they need if they sleep on their books. A few, however, are "stupid" and should be seeking a career elsewhere. I would suppose that over the years of teaching that maybe a quarter to a third of students I have had should have been doing something other than going to college.... join the military, find a job or follow the Grateful Dead around. College isn't for everyone and it shouldn't be.
As for weight, that is also often in the genes. Been true of my family. I am the exception, skinny side from my grandfather... and tall 6' 6". But of my sister and my kids only one, my oldest daughter, is skinny by nature. Everyone else is what I'd call BIG... as was my dad at 6' 4" and close to 300 pounds but not real fat. My mom was tall and trim (grandpa's genes.) In psychology text books today, a whole chapter is devoted to the "fat" issue. Granted, some people are way over weight due to bad habits, economics and lack of effort (some are lazy.) Anyway, maybe in school, instead of a moment of silence they could have a period of jumping... after all the Psalms say David enter his courts with praise and thanksgiving (court = playing basketball, maybe?) |
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Fatness!!
I have gotten FAT!! i was 148 when I was discharged in 68 165 at 40 245 now!! since I've had to "cruise" the last three and a half years I can't keep it OFF! Gained almost 35 lbs. O.K. but like joe says, now we must explain my youngest son when he was 16 we started calling him "come along" ( a device for lifting heavy things like engines and stuff ) the reason for the nick name?? When he grabbed something, IT CAME ALONG!! I'm 5'11" he's 6' 4' 245 and not ONE OUNCE is fat!! A sixty three inch chest!! ( mine used to be 54" I don't know what it is now!! with a thirty two inch waist) I can't get my arms around him to say hello or good bye!! A 34" waist 33 years old and eats like a starving rhino and hasn't gained a pound in YEARS!! AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!! It's hard to hate your own kid!!! T |
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My weight goes up and down with the intake of dark beer... really! And, of course, crackers and pop corn.... not to mention a sedentary life in front of a computer screen! My dad, a big guy, use to say "The doctor put me on a diet but I can hardly eat it after my regular meals."
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I was talking to a skinny nurse the other day, telling her about a friend who has life-threatening obesity. She said something that I thought was a bit profound: If it tastes good, spit it out.... That's her diet. A hundred years ago, it was hard to get a lot of good-tasting stuff. Everything had to be made from scratch, and the cook governed that amount you ate. There were no prepared snacks, no real research had been done to see exactly how much salt, sugar, and chemicals would trigger our hunger, so people ate what they needed, and worked off what they did eat. Today people sit and eat stuff out of a form-fill-and-seal bag, drink from a pop-top can between meals, and go to McD's lunch. |
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I've got to agree with Donnie. My first wife was 5' 3" tall and weighed 140 when we were married. At the age of thirty she was about 200.
We were married 20 years, three kids now from 33 to 41. I never once saw the woman over eat, she was not a closet eater either!! She was very athletic and outdoorsy, like me and was the first female firefighter in the state of New Hampshire back in 1974. So....that's just the way she was made!! It certainly never bothered me!! Although there were a few people I pounded into new and interesting shapes, for making smartazzed comments!!! ( I have mellowed over the years!! ) My current wife and I now have been together for fifteen years, she is 5'8" tall and weighed 104 lbs when we met!! Now she is about 138 lbs. and women look at her when she walks into a room, and it is a wonder she doesn't burst into flame or something!! I gotta admit that it does bother me.........She looks damned good!!! T |
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