I am working to start the first unit of Wisconsin State Defence Force.

Milwaukee, City (Foot) Gaurds,


The Wisconsin State Defense Force shall be distinct from the National Guard.
Uniformed, and composed of officers, commissioned or assigned and of enlisted personal who volunteer for service. Membership in WSDF may not include any person in any active military force including the Reserve or National Guard components. Persons in the Retired reserve may serve in the WSDF.

Must be a prier serves member of U.S. Military, Reserves or National Guard

Must be U.S. Citizen

Be honorably discharged from any military organization of the state, anther state or United States.

Officers and Enlisted members must take Wisconsin National Guard oath.

Enlistments are of one year, but may be renewed, oath to be taken upon enlistment.

May be called to Active duty (paid) State service by the governor, No serves out side of the State, may be requested by the Governor to serve in any State of the U.S. SDF members can not be ordered in to or be required to serve in active U. S service.

Members may be required to take a military physical exam.

Wisconsin law provids for: A WSDF cadre of 12 members at each State Armey to recruit lists of members willing to serve as unit member of the WSDF

Mission:

Operations and activities of the State Defense Force are supplemental to the State mission of the National Guard during peacetime and are considered to be of a constabulary nature and not that of combat forces. Organization under Tables of Organization and Equipment (TO/E) as Light infantry and Military police to facilitate these anticipated missions.

A Cadre-sized unit to be established, of 12 total personal 3 Officers and 9 NCO to provide command and control element, and representation at each National Guard armory in peace time.

A single standard of individual proficiency should form the basis of all instructions with all in the unit will receive essentially the same training. Internal security and emergency assistance missions determining the type and degree of special training required. The SDF Unit is to develop and conduct practical and realistic training exercises of conditions and situations that might confront these forces.

The unit will develop there own distinct dress, service and utility uniforms for use, unless provide by the state and in accordance with 10 U.S.C. 771, as authorized by the secretary of the Army to adopt the Army green service uniform, and utility uniforms (excluding the battle dress uniform BDU, temperate, hot weather or desert). Provide that the modifications listed below are made. Note: U.S. Army dress and mess uniforms are not authorized for SDF adoption.


contact me,

Sgt Richard A Jackson
Wisconsinscottish@msn.com

Very nice. I suppose you already have received the blessing of the Governor and the WI TAG in your endeavor?

And made the appropriate spelling and grammer repairs?

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Originally posted by JWArmour:
Very nice. I suppose you already have received the blessing of the Governor and the WI TAG in your endeavor?

Can anyone say RUMP!

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Originally posted by BTDT:
And made the appropriate spelling and grammer repairs?

LMAO!

To replay to your post! No! Not at this time!

But last time I checked, if you hand a worrier something he can use, and it did not cost him anything, he will thank you and may remember your name.

If you are not part of the solution, do not be part of the problem.

I would love to hear any positive input, from personal that have accomplished this task, or have been part of the development and training of the units of any State defense force.

All things start with one man; 12 men, highly trained, with the same vision and motivation, will change history.

I will keep you spectators informed; Lead from the front, see you when you get here,

Sgt Richard A. Jackson
2211A North 51st Street
Milwaukee, WI 53208
414-258-5397
Wisconsinscottish@msn.com
www.WisconsinSCOTTISH.org

The best advice for starting a defense force is found here

For what its worth, you are making all the wrong choices about how you're evidently going about it. Perhaps you don't realize the traps you're falling into, but the advice on the web page I cited will tell you how to do it the right way.

Hay there Die Wee, forgive this NCO with the lack of formal education. You know, us special Ed kids, (140 IQ, A.D.D, and learning disabled) with a stubby pencil. I only need Officers to do what I tell them to do, thoughts that get it, get to take the credit.

RJ

Thanks River Aux, Just What I needed, I will forword this to the C&C, I will get the Judge and my man on the State floor to move forword with this. My job is to get them the ammo that they need to move this forword.

Thanks agen,

RJ

River Aux, how do I get the JA and C&C tipes on this end, in contat with you, and yours,

RJ

Best of luck with your state armey, worrier.

JW Armomour, Please provide me with all information you may have on the lobby and origination of a State defense force. Please under stand that I am not the one that will move forward to the State floor with this. I have men for that task, I am an old Airborne NCO, Form RA, AR and AGR solder. I am on the G2 mission for the C&C Staff and JA types, (Civilian Corporate Types, Legislators, Judge, Layers,) which have the grace to make this happen. I have informed Colonial Mc Williams and CSM Cobb that the State has provisions to start a SDF they have asked that I provide them with all information available, on how to proceed.



RJ

I do find it interesting that every time I proceed on an now endeavor, not out side of the box. I receive a little more then negative waves and sarcasm from personal that my have the information, on how to proceed or crap from others that are all ready gleaning the efforts of men that had made things happen, for them. I am willing to do the research and spend the time, organize that information and pass it on the others, better men then my self, that have the grace to convince others to in act that, that has all ready has been achieved. I do not wish to reinvent the wheel, just put in place that, that has been, provide for.

I would like to thank River aux, for his positive input, and would like to ask JWArmour if he had any thing to do with starting the TX SDF, or do you just give lip service?

RJ

SgtRa I am currently in a position similar to yours though have nothing actively moving towards an SDF in my state at the moment.

You should know that one of the big issues discussed on this board is groups that pretend they are actually SDFs but are not. We call them "rump militias". Some of the aspects of your first post indicated that might be what you were going to do and so, you're getting some blowback.

Right on Point! If you're talking about a lobbying effort and having the State Government activate a SDF thru legal means, then you will find that almost ALL of of us here will support you.

Your first post made it sound like you and a bunch of backwoods cheeseheads were going to grab your guns, throw on uniforms, make yourselves Generals and start an illegal rump-junta militia.

I truely hope that's not the case.

SgtRAJackson you have already made contact with some of the most knowledgeable people their are on the subject. You post did raise immediate concerns. Most of the things you outline in your email, are not for a lobby group to be deciding. You want to approach the legistature as a civilian group showing a need for a State Defense Force. Be prepared to show them what other state are doing, but do not try and tell them details of how the new organization will be organized. The legislature and Adjuntant General will work that out.

You have signed your name with a rank. Are you in the military now? If you are not in the military, you need to stay away from listing a rank with your name. If a State Defense Force is started the odds are that someone will be put in charge that is not from your lobby group. Probably some high rank officer who just got out of federal service. Even if were you in the military before, you could still be offered the rank of private. Past rank is no guarantee for future rank. I know people who went into the Army for the 2nd time and had to take a lessor rank than they had the first time because of the amount of time that had pasted. The state will decided the criteria for how rank will be assigned and it may be different than you are used to, this being a new organization and going to be one that is smaller than normal compared to the National Guard and Army.

Concentrate on presenting the need for the organization and not on designing the organization. I can also see that when you discuss uniform that you have been reading NGR10-4 (1987), but may have missed the update on uniforms in Army Regulation 670-1(2005), Section 30-8.

I have had some email problems, but will get back with you on email.

I have made no decisions about unit design. I have just quoted the Wisconsin State Defense Force Act (WSDFA),

“The Wisconsin State Defense Force shall be distinct from the National Guard.
Uniformed, and composed of officers, commissioned or assigned and of enlisted personal who volunteer for service. Membership in WSDF may not include any person in any active military force including the Reserve or National Guard components. Persons in the Retired reserve may serve in the WSDF."

"Must be a prier serves member of U.S. Military, Reserves or National Guard"

"Must be U.S. Citizen"

"Be honorably discharged from any military organization of the state, anther state or United States."

"Officers and Enlisted members must take Wisconsin National Guard oath."

"Enlistments are of one year, but may be renewed, oath to be taken upon enlistment."

"May be called to Active duty (paid) State service by the governor, No serves out side of the State, may be requested by the Governor to serve in any State of the U.S. SDF members can not be ordered in to or be required to serve in active U. S service."

"Members may be required to take a military physical exam".

"A WSDF cadre of 12 members at each State Armey to recruit lists of members willing to serve as unit member of the WSDF”

I am looking to find out how you volunteer, to become a member of the 12 man unit at the Milwaukee Armey!

No I am not in a unit at this time, I have 16.5 years of Active Duty, Regular Army and AGR, I have also served 4 years in the Army Reserves. 1977 to 1999.

The rank issue is covered in the WDFA,

FYI: I am no cowboy, I am attempting to do this by the numbers,

Yes I have reviewed NGR 10-4, it would appear that the WSDA is firmly based on this Reg. I qouted the uniform standers.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

RJ

I see you citing laws. Are these what you propose, or are you citing the actual law? I looked it up and the law exists, and seems to be similar to what you are citing, with some slight variance:

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The adjutant general may establish a plan for organizing a military force to be known as the Wisconsin state defense force. The adjutant general may organize the Wisconsin state defense force under the plan if all or part of the national guard is called into the service of the United States. It shall be distinct from the national guard, uniformed, and composed of officers, commissioned or assigned, and of enlisted personnel who volunteer for service. Membership in the Wisconsin state defense force may not include any person who is in the active military forces, including the reserve components. Persons in the retired reserve may serve in the Wisconsin state defense force.

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0021.pdf .

So the issue is not establishing the SDF (maybe getting some funding for it), but rather convincing the TAG to activate/reactivate it. You probably want to find out if it has been around in recent years and if so why it was disbanded.

I would make sure you stress volunteer, volunteer, and volunteer.

Also, you state: "Must be a prier serves member of U.S. Military, Reserves or National Guard"; however, the law states:

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No person shall be commissioned or enlisted in such forces who is not a citizen of the United States or who has been expelled or dishonorably discharged from any military or naval organization, of this state, or of another state, or of the United States.

It never says you must be prior-service. Obviously if you are going to get it started, you will need experience and hopefully prior-service or current national Guard cadre can assist, but be careful trying to prevent non-prior-service personnel. States have a difficult time recruiting already. What would happen if you wanted a medevac unit and a physician wanted to serve? What if a preacher wanted to serve as a chaplain? Then you have the issue of basic grunt work.

Hard to imagine, but some tennagers and guys in their 20's want to serve for free and just doing the math it would be impossible for anyone under the age of 25 BY LAW to serve in the SDF if we required prior-service. All enlistments in the Armed Forces by statute are for 8 years, even if the majority may be in the IRR. That would disqualify them for service in the SDF if prior-service is required.

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I was looking around the internet on some other issues last night and came across several WI legislative reports and documents relating to a major revision of their state military code last year, which may account for some discrepancies.

A few years ago according to various internet news reports there was some interest, and a whole lot of ridicule about possibly starting a naval militia in WI.

River,

Makes a lot of sense if you think about it. WI has a huge coastline (er, lakeline?) and I'm sure there are plenty of soft targets (powerplants, ports, waterworks, etc.) that could be attacked.

Don't know how much or how little WI State and local waterborne LE assets there are to patrol/guard these targets.

I'm sure there are USCGAux units keeping an eye out, but as we know they cannot do anything other than report what they see, so a SDF Naval Militia would be a great help to WI.

And RJ, Please, learn to use a spell-checker before you post.