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What occupation does the CA have and what units do they have?
 
Posts: 46 | Registered: Tue 15 November 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete Message
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CA is the State of California. It doesn't have any occupations, except being the state.

What is your question exactly?
 
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Originally posted by BTDT:
CA is the State of California. It doesn't have any occupations, except being the state.

What is your question exactly?


I meant what occupationl specialties are available in the CA SMR, do they have military police or infantry jobs?

Sorry for asking the wrong way.

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loui,

No sweat. I just had to do it! Big Grin

Have you gone to the CALGUARD website? There is a specific link to the SMR and contact persons. Go there and see what you find out, then contact the nearest rep.

Good luck.
 
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There are no "jobs" in the CASMR because the CASMR does not employ people. More to your point; however, the CASMR does not have (generally speaking) MOS-specialized units. We do not have MP units, infantry units, or any of the sort. In certain specific cases, we do have specialized teams that perform specific functions, such as the Small Arms Training Team and the IC4U teams, but they are quite small.

For the most part, the CASMR acts as a sort of individual augmentee clearinghouse, where the Guard can draw from CASMR personnel to supplement and augment their mission. Does that make sense?
 
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I understand IMA, and that's good, but what do the rest of you do if you're not augmenting?
 
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I understand IMA, and that's good, but what do the rest of you do if you're not augmenting?


Augmenting CNG missions is our primary role and the most common mission. A common activity at drill is CTT and D&C to make soldiers as indistinguishable from their Guard counterparts as possible.
 
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CA does have "jobs". There are full-time paid positions for Calif. that CASMR soldiers can apply for. Including base security jobs.

CASMR does have an MP unit, down at Los Alamitos. The only CASMR MP unit in the state. They don't have infantry though.

There is medical, JAG, Chaplain, admin, ops, logistics, personnel, communications, all kinds of specialty areas.

email me directly... christopher.m.mott@us.army.mil with your recruiting questions.
 
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CASMR does have an MP unit, down at Los Alamitos. The only CASMR MP unit in the state. They don't have infantry though.

I can't help but smile when I drive through the gate on drill weekends and see the CALIFORNIA tag on the gate guards...along with the M-9's strapped to their sides. Who'da thunk it?
 
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If you check with CSMR's G3 (COL Grossman), he will tell you that CSMR does not have any MP units. The unit at Los Alamitos mentioned previously strictly does training and focuses primarily on something called "Initial Entry Force (IEF)", which consists of a collection of warrior and MP tasks borrowed from various Army manuals. While they are composed of mainly full-time cops, the unit does not perform any MP functions.

There are indeed a lot of great things happening with the CSMR, but do be careful who you talk to. There are a number of self styled "recruiters" running around telling all kinds of grand stories of what one will do once joining the CSMR. Check the website to make sure you're dealing with someone who is an actual recruiter:

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/unit_contact.aspx
 
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sdfsgt,

There IS in fact an armed security section at the JFTB made up of CSMR soldiers, and it is not the IEF that you are talking about. The IEF is a section out of the Army Support Group South. The armed security section is a part of the Installation Support Group South. If you ever go to the JFTB, chances are at least one of the armed soldiers pulling gate duty is a CSMR soldier.

It may be a matter of semantics, because in fact it is NOT an MP unit. By duty, sure, they do the same thing, but they are not by name an MP unit.
 
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CA_Recruiter here, is claiming an MP unit's primary responsibility is armed security. Not what the FM is saying here buddy:

FM 3-19.4 MP Leader's Handbook

An MP's responsibility far exceeds mere gate duty, my friend. While I applaud our ISG comrades at the gate, they are not doing the job of an MP so that's why they do not get to wear the letters "MP" on their uniforms. To suggest otherwise would be quite a disservice to all our brothers and sisters doing the job of real MP's on the battlefield.

And since you opt to remain anonymous, I'm guessing you're one of loose cannon recruiters I've been warning everyone about; pushing the fictitious "Police Reserve Trainee" program:

Police Reserve Trainee Ad

Let the readers decide.
 
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Personally, I'd like to see the CA-SMR adopt the plan outlined in the Trainee Ad.

One of the first missions of SDFs should be as a militarized constabulary which can provide support to civil authority in an emergency.
 
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Wow! I've never seen that ad before. The spin! The half-truths! Scary stuff.
 
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I would appreciate if you could retract your last comment sdfsgt as I DID divulge my identity before you wrote this last comment. My goal and intention is to recruit the RIGHT people, by giving them the RIGHT information. I am certainly NOT the kind of recruiter that you are claiming and would appreciate a little more respect. Thanks.

PS: For the record, my old username here WAS Morelli, and I changed it two days ago because I wanted people to see that I was a recruiter when they saw my username. It has nothing with a need or desire to be anonymous, like most other people here. Beer
 
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Personally, I'd like to see the CA-SMR adopt the plan outlined in the Trainee Ad.

One of the first missions of SDFs should be as a militarized constabulary which can provide support to civil authority in an emergency.


I think the New York Guard should have a Militarized Constabulary {MP} which would augment the civil authorities in an emergency.
These MP's would be certified New York State Peace officers.

The ad for police reserve trainee in Cal. should be a model for SDF's MP units around the country. One of the main reasons that SDF's are not utilized is because most SDF are not MOS-Q in anything that is useful to civilian or military authorities.
If there comes a time {war with North Korea,Iran etc} when the SDF's are needed in their states we will not be much help to anyone only to serve coffee and sweep the armories.
 
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Who else is going to serve coffee and sweep up?
 
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CA_Recruiter, no problem. You're not the loose cannon I thought you were. However, you're going to have to likewise retract your claim that CSMR has MP units, which I have proven we do not. Soldiers wearing a pistol on their sides do not automatically make them MPs. If you still don't believe me, then check w/ your recruiting chain of command before you continue telling people otherwise.

As I mentioned in my other post, I'm not selling or recruiting here so I maintain at this time that there is no need to reveal my identity. People can evaluate what I say on its own merits.
 
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Shuman14, I agree with you, but we have to walk before we can run. That ad gave the impression that we're already there, which we're not. Alaska and Texas are, but we're far, far behind.

Nevermind that such a position as "Police Reserve Trainee" does not exist, the other subtle lies on there are just disgusting. A new applicant won't know what is true and what is spin. Some of the more notable spin in the ad:

o "Our job is to take over the state military missions from the California National Guard"
We assist the CA National Guard, not displace them.

o "Military Email Account"
Only if you can find an active Army or NG member who will sponsor you (AKO). One can do that w/o joining the CSMR. They do issue CA NG accounts on a limited basis, but you can't access it w/o a CAC, which most CSMR soldiers cannot obtain.

o "Not a sworn employee of a first responder agency"
There is no such requirement to join the CSMR, let alone apply for this fictitious job. And right below that, Police Instructiors are wanted which welcomes sworn employees of a first responder agency. So which is it?

o "Have the ability to qualify w/ the M16/M4/M9"
No such requirement to join CSMR. Only gives the impression we qualify regularly, which 99% of us do not.

o "There is no boot camp"
Our boot camp is called Basic Orientation Course (BOC) which is 4 days.
 
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sdfsgt, I did not claim that we had an MP unit, I specifically stated that we have a security section that performs MP functions. That does not mean they perform all MP functions, and I specifically stated one of them. The claim that the CSMR has MP's is a false claim, and one which I did not make. We do however have a security unit and my response to you was based on what I read and derived from your statement which made me think that you did not believe that we performed any of those functions. So if someone read my post and took it as me saying that we have an MP unit, sorry, but we do not. But we do have several soldiers that augment that CANG MP unit and perform a security role.
 
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