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I was looking at a list of jobs for the 8th regiment of the State Guard at gotxsg.com, and one of the jobs on the list said Special Operations/Rescue, it sounds very interesting. What you do in it and how do you get the job?
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That is the QRT. Join, complete IET first. Convince the QRT members that you are a good fit(if they dont want someone, they are not a good fit).After that, get your local QRT chain to submit your name for a packet, QRT training is very intensive and will require you to miss most of your work and travel to Camp Mabry for weeks. The training is held once a year, the washout/quit rate hovers around half.
It is a huge commitment to qualify, and it doesnt stop there, that is only basic, and training is ongoing, some of it with quite the pucker-factor! It is the best job in the Guard if you like the Hooha type stuff....oh yea, it is very expensive too. Hope that helps. |
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Why the eye roll?
Just because it's run by an SDF doesn't it isn't highspeed and/or very challenging. I imagine their QRT is about equal to a SWAT or SERT team. That type of training is very demanding and even on police departments where you're being paid for your time, many are not willing to give the extra time and commitment to be on a team. These guys are doing it for FREE and buying their own weapons and equipment. That's dedication. |
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 WTF? |
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Texasvolunteer is absolutely right on in his comments about QRT. I am the proud commander of a QRT and the basic QRT Training is tough! Those who are certified Texas Peace Officers and attorneys receive substantial continuing education credits for this training. The follow on training is also intense. Some QRT members have certified in swift water rescue and responding to an active shooter (ALERRT Training). We also completed a nationally recognized course in Law Enforcement Defensive Tactics which was taught by the top instructors in the nation if not the world. It is expensive, but well worth the efforts and expense required. My QRT soldiers rank with the best soldiers I have served with throughout my Army or TXSG career!
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That sounds a lot like the Raider program the SC SDF had up and running for a while. I don't know any specifics, but I know the training was supposed to be intense, much more so than the average SC SDF member's training. I find it interesting how some States will allow or encourage their Defense Forces to conduct training on the level with AD or LEA, while others place severe restrictions on their Defense Forces.
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What are the call out criteria?
What authority do they have to respond to an Active Shooter? What is the response time? Do they await orders or self activate. And if so, what/whos orders do they fall under? Where are the weapons stored? Who authorizes the release of weapons? What type of ROE do they work under? What training courses and who provided them? |
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#1 No comment #2 Texas State Law #3 Response to what? If I am driving down the street and happen upon a school shooting my respose time is now. If we are being deployed somewhere, now. #4 As a unit under orders. In an imminent emergency, self, like every other citizen in Texas. #5 On my right hip, and in my truck, and in my house, and in my office. #6 God, they are our weapons, we dont require permission from men to visit our firearms. #7 No comment #8 The best trainers in the world at specific tasks they do. Cant really be too specific, lest my *** end up slung. I will say 'other agencies'. These seem like questions that would have been more appropriate before your eye roll.You obviously were completely ignorant about the subject, thanks for the helpful input You may be a BTDT, but if you are, you must be aware that thre are many more out there, and consider you may be insulting one, possibly one who has BMDM (been more, done more). My organization is largely made up of Vets, including me. It also happens to consist of a large amount of combat Vets from every conflict starting with Nam. Some of these Vets are old scool BTDT, and their experience includes just about every job the Military has to offer, including Special Forces combat Vets. By the way, members on my team dont just sit around on their ***, they actually get deployed. Some of us have logged MONTHS of State Active Duty time, BTDT. |
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I'm sorry. So you self deploy. Own your own weapons. Do what you want when you think it's right. Have no direct Command and Control. Gee. Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
So how do you ID yourself? Or do you just pull up, jump out of your truck, grab your weapon, an start running into the fight? I mean, I'm just curious. As for the trainers not being able to ID them. That's BS. There is NO OPSEC for telling who your training source is. Unless it's a bunch of "I'm an expert" types. Anyone who comes in to teach a course to a group and says "you can't disclose my information due to OPSEC" has been watching to much TV. Please tell me what legitimate military, LE organization, or any other Governmental agency allows it's members to qualify with and carry their own variety of weapons. Please tell me that you don't have members carrying AK 47s. And who is going to cover you when you decide on your own to start shooting someone who you think is a threat? Months of training. Do you really go to months of training at a time, or is it just a few days here and there for a while? While I have the utmost respect for anyone who serves/served in the Military, I grow weary of the claim that "we have many vets in our group". Great. So does the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, CG Aux, CAP, etc. Just because one is a "Vet", does not make one a magic soldier. |
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Guys, don't bother responding....
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" You have the utmost respect for anyone who serves.......... I dont kow what your problem is, and dont really care, but your determination to hear what people did not say is annoying, your determination to tell others someone said what they did not say is completely unacceptable. In closing..*** U. |
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I'm a civilian LE officer, the sidearm and back up weapon I carry every day are mine, owned both before I was a cop, and they'll still be mine when I retire.
Don't know what you're use to but in Indiana we're a right to carry State, handgun permits to carry concealed weapons. Had mine since I was 21.  And in case you didn't know SAD stands for: State Active Duty Which means that the State of Texas placed Texasvolunteer on Active Duty, paying him the same wage as a Federal Military Rank as equal to his rank in the TSG. You really should educate yourself before you speak about things you don't know about. |
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Thanks Shuman,
17 years SMR. Lots of SAD time. LEO 20 years. In the original post, there was nothing said about anyone being a Texas LEO, sworn in as a Texas LEO. If you are, then that may change things. As a graduate of probably more schools and training programs than most of the SDF members, I can state, as quoted by the other BTDT affiliated trainers, that if someone tells you they can't disclose their training, that's BS. Sort of like those that say their DD214 is secret and their schools for SOF won't be listed. Riiiight. As for jumping into the fight in an active shooter, if you are an LEO, you are taught to have some type of ID so that YOU don't become one of the shot. Gee. I guess in Texas that's not something that is taught. Sounds like a training issue to me. So you all get pissed off because someone dares to comment or question some vaunted unit. The poster made the statement about the QRT. I simply asked how it works and to back up the claims made. Unfortunately, some of them are very dangerous to the persons involved. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that Texas is the only State to allow this type of function. There is no concern for who is in charge, no chain of command, just a bunch of guys with some "months" of training claiming to be the be all end all. In CA, to become a Peace Officer, and carry a weapon, either full time or reserve, you MUST attend a 6 month academy. We also have people who hold a CCW. Big deal. As a serving LEO, I do care about who just "shows up and starts shooting". As should any cop, even in Texas. Charles Whitman happened a long time ago, and we have better weapons in the hands of LE now. As to the what type of guns you carry, any "military" organization that allows it's members to carry whatever they want is not an organization. It is a Militia. |
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KDJ550, please send me an email. |
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In Texas, a peace officer or reserve peace officer must complete, at a minimum, a Basic Peace Officer Course of 618 hours, combined with a mandatory 40 hours of continuing education every 24 months. Departments may require even more training at their option. For "personal use" we own/carry/use whatever we choose. For QRT, or other military duty usage, we use our own personally-owned arms in a type/make/model as determined by command structure at HQ. Range qualification is required. This message has been edited. Last edited by: JohnJohnsn, |
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I also did the Texas ALERRT training here in the 39th regiment. It was some of the best, most realistic, CQB type training I've had on active duty or in the TXSG. If your interested in what the traing was about go to http://www.alerrt.com/
We don't train with the expectation that we will use the traing. We train because we might need it someday. There's no such thing as worthless training. Most active soldiers never see any combat, but they're trained on the basics just in case. Finally, the training was great fun. It's hard to retain people if you never do anything but sit around. Texas is also a "shall issue" state that takes the second amendment seriously. Members of the TXSG get concealed handgun permits at half the price civilians pay. There is an approved list of handguns for duty use. All on the list are 9mm. A large number of the soldiers in my unit are local or federal law enforcement. Along with weapons qual we also do "use of force" training. The Lt.who taught the last "use of force" class is a deputy sheriff who also teachs at the Sheriff's Academy here. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BTDT:
17 years SMR. Lots of SAD time. LEO 20 years.[QUOTE] OK, sorry, but your profile says you're an E-6 in the USCGR. In todays military that could mean you have less than 6 years service, and no experience with a SDF at all. Didn't mean to insult you. |
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Good news, as soon as GOV Perry signs HB 233 into law, our CHL licencing will be free of charge. Alot of good bills are waiting on the GOV's signature right now. HB 233 |
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I didn't see this one in my NRA legislation updates. That's great. Good news indeed. |
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