I received an e-mail from someone high on the food chain stating that the California Naval Militia is close to standing up. So close, in fact, that they are asking former members of the Navy & USMC if they would like to switch affiliations and become part of the cadre. (A deadline of July 8 was given to make this declaration.)

I know that the CNM is a project near and dear to the heart of our CG, himself a former Marine. Can anyone shed any more light on this? Will it be the naval component to the CASMR or a separate entity (as written in current state law)? Anything more on timeframe or state missions? Will someone whine that this is a violation of OPSEC? (Hey, at least I didn't mention anything of the CASMR Special Operations Command... )

I'm a TTT Opsec Practitioner through DHS - no, it's not a violation b/c risk is measured by threat X vulnerability = Risk. Info you provided is minimal - no tangible impact.

Just don't start naming off names, phone numbers, etc... of cadre members and where they will drill, what their tactical missions will be, etc....

So, I've been checking out this discussion board and others for a little while trying to decide whether or not the CSMR is right for me, then I come across this thread and needless to say I became very interested in the idea of the CNM. I couldn't find out much online except for this article from Dec. 2004, which tells me that they have had this program in the works for a little while.

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/newmilitia.htm

I also checked out the only other Naval Militia with a decent website, New York Naval Militia. I hope CA is looking at how New York is using theirs. The have Marine Corps units and if CA brings this model to the West Coast, I'll definitely sign up.

http://dmna.state.ny.us/nynm/naval.php?id=components

CA_Soldier do you have any contact information or infomation as to when CSMR may begin recruiting for this program outside of the CSMR?

Thanks,
Dan Jarvis, SSGT, USMCR 1993-2001

I'm glad they're finally getting close. It will be interesting to see what route they take with a Naval Militia in California given that they've apparently basically eliminated the idea of using the CaSMR as an independent unit and have dedicated it to supporting the National Guard. So, will the Naval Militia get small boats and start patrolling ports or do something else? It will be interesting to see.

The only "official" thing I can say about it is what's already been put into the public arena. Anything else is conjecture and speculation. I have no POC for people not yet members in the CASMR. The email merely stated that those interested must contact their chaine of command.

However, I can say this...our CG is a former Marine. I will speculate that if the CNM comes to be, there will probably be a Marine detachment.

Okay, an "unofficial" update:

I'm getting my info from someone involved in the standup process and, independent of that e-mail I mentioned above, he confirms the CNM is getting close. A presentation is going to be made to the Governator relatively soon and, if all goes well, we may have official activation before the end of the calendar year.

The CNM being proposed is going to be based on the federal model. Meaning, 95% of its members must be drilling maritime reservists. It will be a separate and distinct entity from the CASMR. It will NOT be the "naval component of the CASMR" and it will not answer to the CASMR chain of command. I don't know what will comprise the remaining 5%, but I'll try to find out.

I'll also try to find out more about the proposed mission of the CNM and all the specifics, such as logistical support, administration, etc.

Anything else you want to know? Post it here and I'll inquire (and post if it doesn't violate any OPSEC).

I yet to find a topic for my situation.

I enlisted in the Regular Army back in
June 1979, Delayed Entry Program. I worked for my Recruiter as a Recruiters Aid for 8 months.
I was still only 17 years young, and wouldn't turn 18 until June 1980. This ment that I could not leave for boot camp until then. Now here's the strange part. I got real tired and impatient wating to ship out, so I begged my recruiter to let me leave early for boot camp now!

He said, Ok!

The date I left for boot camp was March 3, 1980. Now remember, I wouldn't turn 18 till June. For some reason, I can't even think back on how I was able to leave for boot camp, cause I guess it wasn't even on my mind.
I was just so damn glad to finally be leaving for Military Service. I was Gung Ho ever since I can remember growing up. Loved the Army! Loved to be a Soldier!

Ok, So now here I am, Boot Camp, Fort Dix New Jersey, Bravo Company 1-3 1st Battalion, 3 Basic Training Brig. I'm doing Great! I was promoted to squad leader because of my Marine Corps. JROTC High School days. Then I was selected as Coordinator for "RED MAN POWER WEEK". I was given a Certificate of Appreciation. I was a member of our base church quir, and again, recieved a Certificate. Alright, now, I graduate boot camp. I'm on my way to AIT Fort Lee Virginia.

At this time, my grade is Private E-2.
During my boot camp time, I was constently bombarded with letters from my common law wife of 5 years. We had a 1 year old son, Telling me everything under the sun, about how she will not be waiting for me when I ship out to Germany for my overseas tour. That my son will be raised by another man. Basically, that I will have nothing to come home to. These letters followed to to AIT. I had a hard time consentrating in school. I told my company commander of my situation, but with no luck.
He didn't even flintch. I even spoke with my base commander about my situation, and how it's affecting my mind and studies, as well as my military carreer. All I got from him was try harder! Don't think about her! It'll be alright!

I even tried talking with the red cross, trying to get a leave pass to see my wife and son.
Even a Hardship release.
But with no luck.

Oh, I forgot to mention my Drill Sgt.
He told us all, If any of us ever go AWOL, he would personally see to it, that we will just about die from all the pt exercise and duties he'd give us. So don't even think about it.

Well, it finally got to me.
I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't stand the thought of loosing my wife and son to another man, while I was overseas. I decided to fly home on my weekend from school, and not to come back to AIT, until after 60 days, at least that's what my brother told me. My brother was in the army at this time as well, but he was doing great! no problems for him. I actually had 3 brothers serving in the Regular Army at the same time as I, and 1 cousin.

After the 60 days, I turned myself in to the MP's at Army/Air/Navel Station, Los Alamitos, Long Beach,CA.
They shipped my out to Fort Ord,CA.
Personal Confinement Facility.

I spoke with a Capt. Lawyer regarding my charges. Absent With Out Leave-60 days.
He asks me, do you understand the charges and do you waive your rights to have trial.
I said Yes, I understand the waiver of my rights.
He then asks me, If I would like to stay in the Army? I asked him, do I have to go back to my same unit?
He say's Yes!
Well, with me knowing about what my Drill Sgt. said about his soldiers going AWOL, I told the Capt. I would like to stay in, If only I could be transfered to another unit or company, or even closer to home, so I can straiten out my family issues.

He says No. That I have to go back to my unit and there's nothing else that he or I can do about it.
It's either that, or Discharge with UOTHC (under other than honorable conditions)Chapter 10 AR 635-200 - Seperation Code,JFS - Reenlistment Code,3 & 3b and Narrative Reason, "Administrative Discharge Conduct Triable By A Court-Martial".

I've tried 3 years later, after I was discharged to reenlist, but with no luck.
The board denied me an upgrade, and said that I had a justified decision of OTH Discharge.

I am 45 years Young now, and as of recently, been looking into every possible way to serve some kind of volunteer semi-military group or organization, such as the...
"California State Military Reserve" Denied!
do to my OTH.

"U.S. Civil Air Patrol" Denied! do to my OTH.

"Army National Guard" Denied! do to my OTH.

"CA.Coast Guard Auxiliary" Denied! do to my OTH.

The list goes on and on!

Every group I look up on the Internet, Denies anyone who has an OTH on their military record.

I cannot seem to find any Organization that will take me with an OTH on my record.

I have been Honest and Truthful about my Military background.
I have paid my dues of suffering!
for my stupid,young,nieve minded decision to leave the Army back in 1980.
I am so damn remorsful for what I've done.
I just want and need the chance to show who and what I am now!
And how much I can contribute to any semi-military organization or group.
It's been 27 years now since I got that OTH.

I have been an Outstanding Citizen all these years. I have achieved numerous Awards in my carreer.
I am self employed. I work in the Film and T.v. Industry, as well as DJ/KJ in my own business.

I've been in the business since I was 27 years young.
So now here I am, Trying to get involved as a volunteer, but no body wants me!

GIVE ME A CHANCE! I HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING A SECOND CHANCE.
I TRULY AND STRONGLY BELIEVE IN GIVING PEOPLE A SECOND CHANCE TO REDEEM THEMSELVES.

WHO ON THIS EARTH IS WITHOUT SIN,
CAN YOU CAST THE FIRST STONE ON ME?
ARE YOU WITHOUT SIN?
IF YOU ARE, THEN BY ALL MEANS,
GO AHEAD.

Any information that can help me with my search for getting into any of the groups I mentioned above, would be tremendously appreciated!

you can contact me here: keithallenproductions2@msn.com

Thank you all in advance for your time and consideration.

I appologize for not keeping in context to what all your post are about.

Sorry, for every action, there is an equal and oppposite reaction.

There is nothing, anyone or any organization can, or will do, for you.

Trust me, that's probably the "nicest" answer you're going to get on this Forum.

Most of us take a dim view of going AWOL, even as a youthful mistake.

As you live, you learn. You learned the hard way.

SILVA, you sleep in the bed that you made for yourself.

You were young, stupid, and made a huge mistake. Is it "impossible" for you to join an SDF? Well, there "are" usually waiver procedures....but do you really deserve it?

If I was a waiver approval authority and your case was in my hands.... I'd be asking a lot of questions. What have you done in the past 27 years since you were discharged?

Did you go 'really' way above and beyond in some manner that served the PUBLIC good (not private business interest)?

Why didn't you enter the public service in some fashion... in ANY public service job....

These would all reflect on how a waiver would be adjudicated.

Another thing... your tone of the email seems obsessed with just being part of some "military" or "semi-military" thing.... that sends up a red flag in my mind... kinda like the "wanna-be soldier" phenomena comes to mind.... Something SDF need to avoid recruiting.


Also, saying "who on this Earth is without Sin" as a justification doesn't help your case.

Move on with your life. You had the chance. You blew it. Continue your private life and live as well as you can.

Guys,

Something about Silva's story does not appear to add up. Consider:

quote:

I enlisted in the Regular Army back in
June 1979, Delayed Entry Program. I worked for my Recruiter as a Recruiters Aid for 8 months.
I was still only 17 years young and wouldn't turn 18 until June 1980. This ment that I could not leave for boot camp until then. Now here's the strange part. I got real tired and impatient wating to ship out, so I begged my recruiter to let me leave early for boot camp now!

quote:

At this time, my grade is Private E-2.
During my boot camp time, I was constently bombarded with letters from my common law wife of 5 years.

So a 17 year old in boot camp has a common-law wife of 5 years - meaning they have been common-law since he was 12 and who knows about her!!!

You might be dealing with a troll.

Soooo...(ahem)...any questions regarding the CNM? My opportunity to get immediate information fades away after this weekend.

Ok, let me explain in a little better detail FL51D7, and for anyone else who has a comment reply post now and in the future.

I cannot explain how I was able to be shiped out early, Only my recruiter at that time can answer that.

As a recruiters aid, I recruited 4 people myself, Thus earning me an E-2 rank.

To explain the 5 years with my common law wife,
I stand corrected. It was more like 3 years at that point in time, before I left for boot camp.

I was 14 going on 15, and she was 20 going on 21. Now before you all go nuts with this, let me tell you that she did not look and act anything like a 20 year old young women.

anyone could have been fooled, just like Me, that she was not 20. She looked more like a teenager. She was also a member in the
U.S. Army National Guard.

I didn't find out that she was 20 going on 21 until her sister told me 7 months later.

We had a child together, A son, 1 year before I signed up in the U.S. Regular Army.

To give you an insight as to how and why I would have a child so young. I grew up on the streets, in the gang life, since I was young enough to remember.

My Father past away when I was 1 1/2 years young. He was a WWII Veteran. Military Police, U.S. Army Regular.

It was not because I didn't have a good upbringing from my mother, she could not handle me. I was a rebel. Alway's leaving before she would get home. It was almost impossible for her to know where I was at all times, as she did not know alot of the friends I hung around.

She was very strict and tough. But she could not be home all the time. She had to work many hours with overtime to support us. I would leave home to run around in the streets with my friends that where up to no good. I became a part of that crowd. I learned very tough hard knock rules of life out there on the streets.

Life, Death, Drugs, Alcohol, Sex, and Babies.
I did not use hard drugs myself, only beer and wne. I was around it alot at that time.
I grew up fast. I was not a kid anymore.
At the age of 14, I knew alot more about this real world, than anyone else living in a home that had both parents and a strict hands on Father.

I knew and felt ready to have a child of our own at that time. I would have never guessed or thought that my women would turn on me while I was in the Army, AIT school, being that she was in the Army herself.

Now let me tell anyone of you who THINKS that they can tell me what was and is right for me in a NEGATIVE SENSE, without EVER experiencing it first hand for themselves!

Ulness you have been thru the anguish and torment of being a young man, in the Army,
far from home, with a wife or girlfriend telling you and sending you dear john letters of
leaving you for another man. Loosing the very essence of your existance, your women and child,
DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN PASS JUDGMENT ON ME!
DON'T EVEN TELL ME, OH, I KNOW WHAT HOW IT IS, I READ UP ON IT IN BOOKS AND MAGAZINES!

YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE HEARTLESS ATTITUDE OF SAYING, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, LIVE WITH IT!
OR SAYING THAT I MADE MY BED, LAY IN IT!

ABVOUSLY HAVE HAD LITTLE OR NO BAD DEED IN YOUR LIFE. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A SECOND CHANCE IN LIFE IS ALL ABOUT, DO YOU?

If I was to tell you, the same negative things you all tell me, Truthfully, HOW WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL AND AFFECT YOU? HONESTLY!

If you sit there passing judgement on people you don't even knonw, but just by the posts they leave here, then you are a very closed minded person with no heart or forgiveness.
Mad at the world type of person.
A person who has had no quarter given up to them. No second chances. No sense of knowing what could come of a person showing what they can do, if only they had the chance to show themselves in a new light. Of being adult enough to admit there mistakes.

I have done many good deeds since my departure from the Army. I have volunteered in many city and town organizations.

FEMA, RED CROSS, USO, SENIOR CENTERS,
U.S. CIVIL AIR PATROL, AND CURRENTLY FOR
"BUGLES ACCROSS AMERICA". LIVE "TAPS" BUGLER.
GIVING TO THOSE FALLEN AND DECEASED U.S. MILITARY VETERANS, THE HONOR THEY DESERVE IN THERE FINAL FAREWELL DURING BURIAL.

So you see, I shold not be convicted for a crime, that even most murderers don't get,
a life sentence. I've seen many convicted murderers get 10 yrs, 15 yrs, 20 to 25 yrs.

EVEN THEY GET A SECOND CHANCE!

WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE, ME AS A REMORSFUL EX-SOLDIER WANTING TO DO GOOD IN HIS LIFE,
AFTER DOING A STUPID THING OF GETTING OUT OF THE ARMY FOR A WOMAN AND HIS CHILD,
PARTICIPATING IN A VOLUNTEER CAPACITY FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO REDEEM HIMSELF, GETTING A SECOND CHANCE AT IT. OLDER AND WISER, WITH MUCH MORE SKILL, KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE AND INTEGRITY THAN EVER!

OR

AN EX-MURDERER OR FELON WHO JUST GOT OUT OF PRISON WHO SERVED ONLY 5,10 OR 15 YEARS FOR HIS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. WICH ALSO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU AND YOUR LOVING FAMILY! ?

I have much more to say about me and my lifes decisions that I have made, wich have affected me in a negative way, but you will need to read all about it in my book I am writing, tentively intitled..."SECOND CHANCE", The Life and Wishes of Keith A. Silva.

Umm... I thought you said you were denied membership in the CAP? And were you living in CA at the time you enlisted? CA does NOT have common-law.

Dude, go away and stop BS'ing. You got what you deserved. Nice picture, totaly false, and you might want to be careful about claiming rank attained as they are finally going after personnel. Read the latest Army Times for more.

quote:

Originally posted by SILVABULLET1:
I cannot explain how I was able to be shiped out early, Only my recruiter at that time can answer that.

Um, who cares.

As a recruiters aid, I recruited 4 people myself, Thus earning me an E-2 rank.

Bully for you, lots of people make E-2 prior to Boot Camp.

Unless you have been thru the anguish and torment of being a young man, in the Army,
far from home, with a wife or girlfriend telling you and sending you dear john letters of
leaving you for another man. Loosing the very essence of your existance, your women and child,
DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN PASS JUDGMENT ON ME!
DON'T EVEN TELL ME, OH, I KNOW WHAT HOW IT IS, I READ UP ON IT IN BOOKS AND MAGAZINES!

Lad, we've ALL been there at one point or time in the Military and none of us went AWOL.

YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE HEARTLESS ATTITUDE OF SAYING, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, LIVE WITH IT!
OR SAYING THAT I MADE MY BED, LAY IN IT!

Not heartless, we're realist. Those are the facts and they cannot be changed.

ABVOUSLY HAVE HAD LITTLE OR NO BAD DEED IN YOUR LIFE. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A SECOND CHANCE IN LIFE IS ALL ABOUT, DO YOU?

We all understand second chances, but there is no going back from that mistake. You need to find somethingelse and move on.

If I was to tell you, the same negative things you all tell me, Truthfully, HOW WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL AND AFFECT YOU? HONESTLY!

We'd feel pretty crappy but the TRUTH hurts sometimes.

So you see, I shold not be convicted for a crime, that even most murderers don't get,
a life sentence. I've seen many convicted murderers get 10 yrs, 15 yrs, 20 to 25 yrs.

EVEN THEY GET A SECOND CHANCE!

But murderers don't get to join the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, SDF, CAP, and/or USCGAux either. It's part of the punishment for that crime, like it's part of your punishment for going AWOL.

WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE, ME AS A REMORSFUL EX-SOLDIER WANTING TO DO GOOD IN HIS LIFE,
AFTER DOING A STUPID THING OF GETTING OUT OF THE ARMY FOR A WOMAN AND HIS CHILD,
PARTICIPATING IN A VOLUNTEER CAPACITY FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO REDEEM HIMSELF, GETTING A SECOND CHANCE AT IT. OLDER AND WISER, WITH MUCH MORE SKILL, KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE AND INTEGRITY THAN EVER!

OR

AN EX-MURDERER OR FELON WHO JUST GOT OUT OF PRISON WHO SERVED ONLY 5,10 OR 15 YEARS FOR HIS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. WICH ALSO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU AND YOUR LOVING FAMILY! ?

Neither, thank you.

I have much more to say about me and my lifes decisions that I have made, wich have affected me in a negative way, but you will need to read all about it in my book I am writing, tentively intitled..."SECOND CHANCE", The Life and Wishes of Keith A. Silva.

Good luck with that.

Lad, we've let you say your piece, but we truely don't care to hear it. As said before you learned the hard way one of life's lessons.

If you were looking for a shoulder to cry on, you came to the wrong forum.

Now back to the CA-NM discussion.

Any ideas what type of vessels CA is looking to get?

Anything bigger then a PBR?

I have a question about this as I am alittle confused. By using Navy and Marine Corps resersvist, does that basicly mean that these Sailors/Marines are still in there respective branch but assinged to the state militia?

The way this sounds to me, that this is taking Saliors and Marines out of the reserve and using them in a state militia capacity so the state can call them up for state emergencys and such. Is this an correct.

Sounds kinda like a good idea to me.

One more thing. Silvabullet1, why is it that your profile says you were a SSGT? You say you were discharged OTH after how long,a few months, yet so some how got promoted all the way up to E-6 huh.

I'm a Marine not a Soldier but I still wont stand for a poser PERIOD. If I were you I would give some kind of explanation to that. I sure would like to know.

quote:

Originally posted by shuman14:
Now back to the CA-NM discussion.

Any ideas what type of vessels CA is looking to get?

Anything bigger then a PBR?

Okay, here we go:

There are no plans to get any boats. In fact, this is more about access to federally trained troops and equipment than it is about providing California with state naval troops.

The CNM is primarily a force multiplier by way of manpower. CNM troops will function in the same way as NG troops. They can get called up to do state missions as long as they are not needed at the federal level. The main focus is on attracting the professional services...doctors, lawyers, engineers, masters-at-arms, chaplains, etc. They can be used in the same manner as SMR troops. The benefit of using CNM troops is that they carry federal recognition. They have CAC cards, they've gone to federal schools, they have access to and are authorized to use federal equipment, they have their security clearances taken cared of...all the things that are plaguing the SMR is all but eliminated with the CNM. One of the hot things driving the concept right now is that they can also be used on federal missions such as OPERATION JUMP START, OPERATION AEROSAFE, and OPERATION GARDENPLOT and receive federal funding for it. The State of California will not have to put one dime into training them and get to use federal funding to pay them without having to be creative.

This is the excitement behind the CNM right now. Sounds like the death of the SMR, right? Not quite. Take into consideration that at least 95% of CNM troops MUST be drilling maritime reservists. Those who do not meet that necessary requirement will not be eligible to be in the CNM. Also, once the feds call them up, they will be of no use to the State. The SMR will most likely never be snapped up by the feds. They belong solely to the State and should always be available. Unfortunately, one of the drawbacks I see in regards to the SMR is that the State will no longer try to be creative in ways to use the SMR and get them up to speed and start defaulting to the CNM for most missions.

So there you are. This is the concept being presented to the Governator. It gives him potentionally thousands of additional troops at his beck and call and at 1% of the cost it would be to field and equip a similar force from scratch. These troops are already federally trained (MOS, leadership, and even basic training) and have access to anything federal, if needed. Definitely a force multiplier for the State of California.

I think it's brilliant.

quote:

Originally posted by spacefreakUSMC:
I have a question about this as I am alittle confused. By using Navy and Marine Corps resersvist, does that basicly mean that these Sailors/Marines are still in there respective branch but assinged to the state militia?

The way this sounds to me, that this is taking Saliors and Marines out of the reserve and using them in a state militia capacity so the state can call them up for state emergencys and such. Is this an correct.

Sounds kinda like a good idea to me.

Negative. Think of it like the Naval National Guard. Dual masters, depending on the mission. When they are not on federal duty, they can serve the State.

Would this be in addition to being in The Marine Reserves or would you have to seperate from your resepecive branch then join?