Anyone here in Colorado SDF P? Looking to join SDF here in Colorado...if anyone is a current member can you give me some more info? I have yet to get a response from recruiter...

Numbers,

They are a group of protenders that is in NO WAY connected with the legal Government of Colorado, it's National Guard or any SDF authorized under Colorado law.

They are, what we call, a rump militia.

Any one here who claims to be a member of that organization would only subject themselves to scorn and abuse by identify their membership.

If you are considering joining them, don't!

Walk away, no, RUN away as fast as can from them. No good can come of it.

As shuman14 correctly stated the COSDF(P) is a rump militia. If you desire to be of service to your community, your state, and your country, you might look into joining the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) or the U.S. Coast Guard Auxillary. Be advised, if you see the word "provisional" associated with a SDF, RUN!

Contacts:

U.S. Coast Guard Auxillary
Denver Flotilla
Flotilla Commander: Steven D. Beck, (303) 487-6525

Civil Air Patrol (CAP)
GROUP 1
Unit Contact: Lt Col William E Aceves II
Contact Phone: (303) 805-3611
Contact e-mail:
Meeting Address: BUCKLEY AFB HANGAR 909
BUCKLEY AFB, CO 80011
Unit Web Address:
Meeting Time: 0900 SATURDAY
Charter Number: RMR CO166

Thanks guys, I will look into CAP and USCGAUX. Matter of fact CAP has a meeting tonight just down the street from where I live-will check them out!

What makes Colo SDF P a "rump militia"? From my understanding they drill at the armories, they wear army uniforms...I guess the better question is what makes them so bad?? Why run? (Forgive me for being stupid in the matter.)

Numbers,

I'll pretend you didn't ask those questions; because the answer to them are pretty self-evident.

Also, sometimes a few member of these rump groups come on these forums to ask questions, like the one you did, just to do a "public relations check" and test the waters.

So pardon me if I eyeball your post with a bit of suspicion.

Well I am truly sincere...I just came across State Defense Forces just recently. Didn't know they existed. I have always wanted to join the military. I went through all the formalities (ASVAB & Phys) to join the Army Reserves (because I have a 10 mo. old son and a husband who didn't want to follow me). Then at the last minute he decided he didn't want me to join due to the uncertainties of war and such. I obliged. When I came across Colo. SDF P I thought it was a perfect compromise. I have spent a lot of time on their website and it looked legit to me. So when I hear that it is a rump militia and to run I just was just looking for some clarification so I can make an educated decision.

If gasdf or anyone else could please respond here or send me a private message I would greatly appreciate your time!

To be honest - if I were a member why would you not want to tell me why I'm in the wrong place anyways?

Again thanks for your time in advance!!

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Originally posted by 14994457:
Thanks guys, I will look into CAP and USCGAUX. Matter of fact CAP has a meeting tonight just down the street from where I live-will check them out!

What makes Colo SDF P a "rump militia"?

Any militia that is formed without the consent and direction of the legally established Government of a State is illegal, which makes them a rump, or it's in rebellion against that Government. So which is it?

From my understanding they drill at the armories,

Most armories rent themselves out for use as a way to build MWR funds. Sad to say a rump's money is as green as next guys. If they can pay the rent, then they can use the space.

they wear army uniforms...

So if I put on a CO State Trooper's uniform can I write you a ticket? Just because they DO doesn't mean it's RIGHT or that they CAN or should.

I guess the better question is what makes them so bad??

They are breaking the law and portraying themselves as something they're NOT, a legal part of the Military Forces of the State of Colorado. Tell how that is "good"?

Why run?

Because when someone asks you to take part in an illegal venture, most people who are not criminals run so as to not be considered taking part in the crime.

(Forgive me for being stupid in the matter.)

As gasdf stated in his post, I too now view your post with suspicion.

You seemed to have found the thread in the right forum to ask your question, so how "stupid" are you in regard to this rump militia?

Now don't get me wrong, do I think CO should have an SDF?

Darn right I do, but the correct and proper way is get the Government of CO to create one.

Creating one yourself outside of the law and the Government's control is WRONG!

If the current Government of CO doesn't want a SDF, then run people for office that do and when and if they get into Office they can create one.

That is the only way to do it lawfully.

End of rant.

Thank you for your response shuman14.That all makes sense now.

Yes I did have the mind to find this forum - I didn't understand what rump militia meant. I also didn't understand how Colo wasn't legit because I found the article on their site for the bill concerning them. I knew it was Provisional - I didn't think that was a bad thing. Their site made it look like they worked with the governor and they could be activated by him. How could the governor call on an illegal organization? (Colo is also listed on the state guards association website under state organizations.) Those were my main hesitations when I was told it wasn't legal.

I guess by me saying "forgive me for being stupid in the manner" it may of come off sarcastic?? I guess that is what prompted everyone to question me.

That is why there are forums such as these - when someone is naive or uneducated on a matter to express their concerns and questions to have others help them find an answer or shed some light as you guys have done.

Thanks again...I am still going to check out that CAP meeting...hopefully one day Colo will knock off the P huh? ;-) (Please don't take my last statement as sarcasm - I ASSURE YOU ALL I AM NOT A MEMBER OF COLO SDF P!!! I was considering it as I thought it was legit before this posting!)

Colorado has no State Defense Force.

Saying you are a State Defense Force (P) and acting like a State Defense Force when you are not, is a lot like the person who goes out today and makes an arrest, because he plans to some day become a law enforcement officer. If you are not a law enforcement officer and act as one you are a criminal; if you act as a State Defense Force member and are not one, then you are a ________.

Would a legitimate government agency put such a statement on it's website?

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The Colorado State Defense Force (Provisional) is not an anti-government group which styles itself as a "militia".

Numbers,

If your not one of those "testing the waters" - then accept my apologies.

As much as the Mod and I have butted head, he is very much right and I agree with him on his stance against rumps, and every other SDF member who takes this issue seriously.

Join CAP - very good organization.

Don't hold your breath for a legit CO SDF - as long as that group is there, it will muddy the waters and a legit one will never be created. Law generally doesn't allow private groups to petition to become public agencies... it's supposed to be the other way around: The Govt creates the agency and then recruits for it.

Does anyone have any update on this group here in Colorado? If they are a rump, then why are they still in existence? If this is illegal, then why aren't they being dealt with? Just curious. I looked into them early this year but backed off because the LTC would not answer my questions when I confronted him about the controversy of the legality of their group.

There has been no change in their status. They are not an official agency of the state of Colorado.

Who can say why they haven't been prosecuted. Probably really low on anyone's priority list.

There are many groups who break the law that are not prosecuted. Unless they go out and murder someone or try to access a military installation impersonating soldiers, they probably will not be prosecuted. As RiverAux said, the government has better things to do. Most laws concerning the wearing of military uniforms are ignored unless the government needed to use them for another reason.

The COSDF is a phoney, and the SGAUS which endorses them along with other groups like the North Carolina rump SDF, are all pathetic. There are many groups that call themselves "militias" that are ignored, even if they wear uniforms. The same goes for groups that call themselves SDF's or state guards.

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Originally posted by gallagheria:
There are many groups who break the law that are not prosecuted. Unless they go out and murder someone or try to access a military installation impersonating soldiers, they probably will not be prosecuted. As RiverAux said, the government has better things to do. Most laws concerning the wearing of military uniforms are ignored unless the government needed to use them for another reason.

The COSDF is a phoney, and the SGAUS which endorses them along with other groups like the North Carolina rump SDF, are all pathetic. There are many groups that call themselves "militias" that are ignored, even if they wear uniforms. The same goes for groups that call themselves SDF's or state guards.

Yeah - I looked into them earlier this year. Even attended one of their meetings. But then before I sent in all the applications and stuff, I did one more round of checking. That's when I came across this stuff on this and other sites that indicated they weren't sanctioned in the eyes of the Colorado State govt. When I asked the LTC about it, he wouldn't answer my questions to my satisfaction.

It's a shame. In light of the current situation in our country, Colorado really does need a legitimate self defense force to stand up.

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The COSDF is a phoney, and the SGAUS which endorses them along with other groups like the North Carolina rump SDF, are all pathetic.

SGAUS could be such a good organization and a big help to the SDFs but the "endorsement" of these rumps is truely troubling.

But as I said before, a rumps money is as green as anyone elses.