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I read the article about the VSAF program in Wingspread, the Randolph AFB newspaper, and noticed that the old CAP command shield is pictured. I then want to http://www.af.mil/art/index.asp?galleryID=5187 and discovered that the old CAP command shield was also pictured. Not only that, but the new command shield was nowhere to be seen.
Could it be that the Air Force wasn't in the loop when it came to this change, or are they trying to tell us that they prefer the old shield? Personally, I like the new shield now that there is no "U.S." under the propeller. I used to think it looked tacky and was designed to remove any hint of association with the Air Force, but now it seems like it is just a design intended to be more distinctive. If anyone is interested, here is the link to the news story: http://www.cap.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&nodeID=6192&newsID=3956 As a sidenote, I am glad that the VSAF program is going well and I hope it expands to all applicable USAF installations. When I get back into CAP, it is definitely something I will look into. |
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The USAF was represented at the NB or NEC where that change was made...so yes they are aware...and they have no problem with it.
It is CAP that wanted to get rid of the US anc change us back to CAP. The U.S. was added to the crest when we changed it from USAF AUX to U.S. CAP. |
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Well that's all well and good, sir. But I have to ask: if the Air Force has no problem with the new CAP shield, why don't they use it in their publications and on their website's art section? Using the old CAP shield doesn't make sense, unless they're just slow to pick up on the change.
I believe that. It was probably part of Pineda's plan to distance CAP from the Air Force, especially with the addition of the "U.S." in the shield. Now that the "U.S." is no longer in the shield, I think it looks fine. |
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The US below the triangle and prop emblem is nothing new. It was on the second CAP shoulder patch authorized in 1942 and in use until 1957. It's still used on the overseas units patch.
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Or perhaps some AF base public affairs guy, who definetely has no clue about the ever-changing CAP command patch, went to a local CAP web site and grabbed it for the story. The "AF" may know about it, but that doesn't mean that everybody in the AF knows (or cares).
Incidentally, here is where we officially stand regarding the command patch (from the recent compilation of uniform changes ICL):
So, it seems unlikely that we will go back to the old, old command patch (with US AF Auxiliary in the scroll). We will keep the current one without the US in it. Personally, the command patch was the one place I didn't mind having the US. In that context it was pretty clearly an identifier rather than part of the actual name of the organization. |
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Guardrail,
This is just another example of you trying to make a bunch of noise where none exists. Someone did not get the memo...it happens. Even in CAP noone is sure which command patch is the "current" one. |
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That means he agrees with me....and you then said you do too.....  But I know you did not mean it.  |
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I agree with that, and I think CAP needs to do a better job at communicating which command patch is current both within and outside of the organization. There is obviously some reason why the Randolph AFB Public Affairs team did not get the memo, and the reason lies with CAP. |
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Just how is it CAP's responsibility to keep every local AF public affairs officer informed of our symbols? The best we could expect in a situation like this is if they ran a draft of the layout of the article by a CAP PAO, which they are not under any obligation to do.
It is the Air Force's job to keep their symbol library up to date and to ensure that their PAOs use proper illustrations in their articles about CAP. |
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Or the guy in the PA office just looked up CAP patch and thats what popped up so he assumed that was correct. I don't know if the AF informed the PA offices about it or not, but I think its completely reasonable to assume the PA guy found that patch for CAP and went with it... Most PA offices don't deal a whole lot with CAP, so they arn't going to know about patch changes, etc. like they would for units on their own base. |
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Not to mention 99% of us in the AF couldn't really care less what was happening in the local CAP chapter/squadron. I know the CAP guys in my area started complaining about a lack of support from the AF guys on base, and for most of us it was the first we heard of the local group. We have guys still active members of CAP in their hometowns, and never heard or saw anything about local groups. ANd no, it's not really up to the local PA officer or NCO to make sure that whatever patch-of-the-day CAP chooses is in the database, because if he's writing an article about CAP he most likely talked to them, and it's a very strongly put forth suggestion that anything PA does is run by the subject of the article. So if CAP didn't catch it, they never thought twice about it.
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I suspect that no one in CAP saw anything but the actual text of the article. I very much doubt the final layout of the article was sent to anyone who might have caught this minor mistake.
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You are repeating what I've already said; It is CAP's responsibility to make sure that the Air Force has access to the current command shield. I never said or implied that it was the Air Force's responsibility to make sure they use the right CAP command shield. |
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It is the responsibility of every Public Affairs Officer to double check their facts and ensure the accuracy of written and visual aspects of any story that they publish.
The Air Force failed in this case. |
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The insignia displayed is still "legal" for wear and display for another month, and will likely change again.
Publications issued by NHQ in the last 2 months still display that insignia. |
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Are you sure that we didn't switch from USAF Auxiliary command patch to the Civil Air Patrol command patch (without the US)? I had thought the US was added on later and if that is the case the March 1 2008 wearout is for the Civil Air Patrol command patch (without US).
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That's not the case. Here is an excerpt from the March 2008 National Board Agenda:
The new, final CAP command patch will be authorized for wear on a date to be determined by the National Board. |
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I salute you all!
Keep up with the good work. |
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