Quick question, on average how long do 65's deploy on cutters? I know it varies by location, but there are always the typical numbers.

Depends, anywhere from a week to a month.

Like you said, it depends on the unit/location.

On AVERAGE...I'd say two weeks. I'm a fixed wing guy, so I'm only basing that on what I've seen 65 pilots doing at my units which are the larger ones.

Interesting question....why are you asking?

because I would like to know

Let me see, you want to know the average length of a 65 deployment, your profile is hidden and when someone asks why do you want to know you come back with a dodging answer of 'cause I want to know. Yeah, I don't think so pal. This day and age the saying "loose lips sink ships" has a great deal of meaning. Or in todays vernacular "OPSEC, people"

You've got to be kidding me...you are joking right???? I read my original post again and am trying to find how in my question I jeopardized OPSEC. If I had asked specifically for the deployment schedule of a 65 on CGC _______. Then you would have reason to worry. My question was simple and I was looking for a simple answer of average deployment lengths.

"let's get PARANOID"

nope not kidding. A little seeming harmless info here and a little info there. A profile no one can see, and dodging a question as to why you want to know. I'm not worried, It's just not a good idea to pass out information like that just because you ( or anyone else ) insists.
If you really must know, some deployments are longer than others and the next one will be different than the last, unless it's the same and in that case it's different and you ought to consider yourself fortunate, unless that is unfortunate. In that case...

get involved in the 65 community and FIND OUT FOR YOUR SELF!!

Guns68 has a point. Get off yer duff and seek out someone who can answer you privately outside this public forum. "Paranoid" is not appropriate to describe proper concern and caution. Example?, you may ask - - in Miami, a grandmother was taken into custody for relaying the take-offs & landings of USCG aircraft to her grandson. She thought that her dear little ol' grandson was an aviation buff but, in reality, he was filling in a spreadsheet for his "employers" for the purpose of finding out the average daily flight schedule of the air station.

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If you really must know, some deployments are longer than others and the next one will be different than the last, unless it's the same and in that case it's different and you ought to consider yourself fortunate, unless that is unfortunate. In that case...

Great answer, I got a good laugh from this. You ruined it with the next sentence though. Do you ever seriously jump into anything without finding out as much as you can first? If so, then hopefully it has worked out for you thus far.

The only reason I answered with "because I want to know" is that I think the guy (EX CG GM) wants so badly for me to be one of those guys who wants to stay at home and not deploy so he can give me hell about it. I even found a post by him on another forum which confirms that suspicion that he is one of those guys.

So the real answer as to why I am asking is because I want to know.

And for Dave1960: read my last post, I did not jeopardize OPSEC in any way. I don't recall asking about a specific AIRSTA either, so relax.

All right let me take a different approach at this. Try to look at this from the inside. A guy asks a question about 65 deployments, in and of itself an innocent question. You look at his profile and it's private. You then look at his other posts and you find things like Where are the Casa's going to be stationed? Even if these questions are completely above board, others that surf the web are not. May I refer you to Dave's post above. That grandmother thought she was helping junior out with his cute little hobby, not so.

OPSEC isn't just about state secrets, It's the little bits of info that over time add up. The most damaging Intel does not come from "our man in Miami" but from the gate guard or cleaning lady that's paid 100 bucks to tell of the comings and goings at a unit or little snippets of conversations they stood next too. Don't think that the drug and or terrorist organizations don't have Intel networks. They are supposed to have very good ones.

It's a good thing to find all you can about something before you dive in. But trying to get details from a public forum is not the most reliable source. How do you know that I'm not just some New Orleans pimp that always wanted to be in the Coast Guard (or that your just some young man that is trying to figure out if he wants to be in Coast Guard aviation). you don't. Take what ever you read here with a very healthy dose (not just a grain) of salt.
I wish you the best of luck in your quest for information, but if things don't turn out like you expected don't say that "I read on the Internet" unless you want to be laughed out of the room.

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The only reason I answered with "because I want to know" is that I think the guy (EX CG GM) wants so badly for me to be one of those guys who wants to stay at home and not deploy so he can give me hell about it.

Don't flatter yourself. I was curious as to why you wanted to know since your profile is private and therefore I had no way of knowing why you wanted the answer. Simply wondered whether you were already in the CG, considering joining, whatever.

As for "giving people hell" about wanting to stay home......more accurately, I point out that one should not join a seagoing service with the expectation of not going to sea.

If you consider that "giving people hell" then you may need to work a bit on thickening your skin.....

And "because I want to know" is not an answer. An answer might be something like "because I am considering enlisting and exploring the various options and roles of each rating to help me make an informed decision....blah, blah, blah."

Personally I think you should join the Marines.

Not too long ago someone started a thread about arrest techniques in the CG (on the Search and Rescue discussion board).

The member's profile stated he was a CG AD warrant officer (W4). The grammar and spelling were poor, and after a couple of members had posted responses, Tim (mod) checked the IP address and found it originated in Singapore.

Remember, ANYONE can establish an account here; ANYONE can have a PRIVATE PROFILE or be a THIS MEMBER; ANYONE can ask a question about deployments, tactics, training, equipment, capabilities, etc.

It's up to the members in the know, the ones with the sought knowledge, to practice OPSEC.

For those of you seeking knowledge, consider not being a PRIVATE PROFILE or anonymous poster. It adds legitimacy to you and may encourage members with the knowledge you seek to engage you off-line and answer your questions.

IMHO.

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Well I have had my answer since the first reply. Thankfully the first poster was a reasonable person. Thank you for that. I will now use this knowledge just as I had intended in the beginning...for my own knowledge, and nothing else.

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Originally posted by 8844834:
And for Dave1960: read my last post, I did not jeopardize OPSEC in any way. I don't recall asking about a specific AIRSTA either, so relax.

Just a humble observation......

Although your query might be genuine, any type/piece of info that could assist our counterparts could pose a problem. In your point above, it's not so much about any particular airsta but your asking about one of the platforms we use. Our counterparts could get enough of these platform tidbits to develop a counter strategy should they so desire. I have no doubt folks of unscrupulous endeavors read these boards to glean tidbits.

Of recent, I have seen at least two public affairs items that were put out that had to be pulled ASAP because of the collateral info it showed. It happens to the best of them.....just got to be careful.

I also concur about your private profile. It would lend creditablity to your query.

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Originally posted by 8844834:
Well I have had my answer since the first reply. Thankfully the first poster was a reasonable person. Thank you for that. I will now use this knowledge just as I had intended in the beginning...for my own knowledge, and nothing else.

The first poster admitted he is not involved with the 65's. This third hand information has helped you how? Your attempt at being smug has failed. As far as you know you are no closer to the truth than when you started. Or are you? Who's to tell?

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The only reason I answered with "because I want to know" is that I think the guy (EX CG GM) wants so badly for me to be one of those guys who wants to stay at home and not deploy so he can give me hell about it. I even found a post by him on another forum which confirms that suspicion that he is one of those guys.

As Stan said don't flatter your self!! I would offer this for your consideration: As one who has a profile for all the world to view, you will note the time in our countries history when Stan served, that's right it was during Vietnam, a time in our militaries history when OPSEC was crucial to the saftey of our Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen. In this day and age where information is so freely available, MUCH MORE SO THAN IN THE 1960'S it is only prudent to be hyper-vigilant when posers such as yourself show up and start asking Q's! BTW you still have not offered up a reasonable explaination as to WHY your interested in this info? -Jeff

Geez, this thread went south in a hurry!

I agree with the entire OPSEC/COMSEC argument, and by all means, this is a public forum and discretion is required. Lord knows I've sat through enough training sessions on it from the OS's.

On the other hand, the only reason I replied was because the answer to the question was so general and the answer so broad there is nothing to gain from it besides the fact our operations are diverse and unpredictable (exactly how we want them to be). It's the same answer our aircrew's provide when they get the questions at airshows. It's also the same kind of answer I've heard our CO provide during base tours and public affair events.

The guy/gal asked a simple question and everyone is jumping his shorts for it. If you were doing a tour at an airshow and some kid came up and asked you that question, would you respond the same way you are in these forums?

I'm not trying to stir things up, just provide a little perspective on things.

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Originally posted by HU25Flyer:
Geez, this thread went south in a hurry!

I agree with the entire OPSEC/COMSEC argument, and by all means, this is a public forum and discretion is required. Lord knows I've sat through enough training sessions on it from the OS's.

On the other hand, the only reason I replied was because the answer to the question was so general and the answer so broad there is nothing to gain from it besides the fact our operations are diverse and unpredictable (exactly how we want them to be). It's the same answer our aircrew's provide when they get the questions at air shows. It's also the same kind of answer I've heard our CO provide during base tours and public affair events.

The guy/gal asked a simple question and everyone is jumping his shorts for it. If you were doing a tour at an air show and some kid came up and asked you that question, would you respond the same way you are in these forums?

I'm not trying to stir things up, just provide a little perspective on things.

OK, I'm not going to be rude but let me explain. First off the question posed is not as broad as it may seem. For example, (let me try to do this without doing what I've been telling people not to) without looking at your profile (which I can't I've discovered)and taking your screen name and your comments into account you fly in a particular aircraft. Through public information sources I know that only so many air stations would put you into contact with the airframe in question. with a quick search of the local media I would be able to deduce which of those unit deploy more often and then BINGO I would know the answer to that particular unit. If I had nefarious intentions this info could be useful ( see Dave1960's post above).
With due respect to our marketing (PAO) department. They sell OPSEC for a song, in the name of getting the word out, and this has bothered me for years.
I like your mention of the air show. Nothing gets aircrew's to talk more than putting them up on a pedestal and letting a couple of hot groupies hang around. To put this into context. While part of an aircrew at air show "X" you are having a good time singing the praises of aviation in general and Coast Guard aviation in particular (we've all been there) and a young man comes up and the conversation goes like this (I'll use my name here) "Hi, I'm Chief Skinner, a crewman on this aircraft, do you have any questions I can answer for you?" "Yes" he responds, "What is the average deployment on these?" "Good question. What's your name?" "Never mind" he says. An Older gentleman with a Vietnam veteran hat ( no offense EX-CG-GM ) leans over and says "interesting question, Why do you want to know?" With that he gets a curt "because I do" At the same time one of the pilots on your A/C softly tells you that this same young man has been over talking to the Casa guys and was looking for info on where the 144's are going to be stationed and he seems to be taking notes. Now, with this little soap opera are you going to sing out and tell the guy everything he wants to know? I know I'm not.
Look, all I'm saying is think before you talk, and maybe even think a little like the bad guys before you start giving things out.

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guns,
I understand your point of view, but there is a point where we take our "secrecy" beyond the normal realm of OPSEC.

I think we can safely agree to disagree on this one. This thread needs to die a peaceful death.



Cheers!

8844834/Andre started this thread, if he wants it locked, I will.