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Anyone know how many 52's were lost in crashes compared to 65's ? I realize there is a difference in operational years. Don't count full autos to ground or water and helo and everyone ok. Airframe totals only.
 
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It was probably a little more dangerous to fly in the old cowboy days of single engines,small bearded crews and punching holes in the clouds Semper P style?
 
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I don't have access to data like that but I can tell you that platform pickups were a great option to have
 
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Check-Six.com lists seven.
 
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I don't have access to data like that but I can tell you that platform pickups were a great option to have
They sure were. I picked up 5 Cubans near Havana harbor with it. Used it on at least 5-6 different times. Never flew twin helo but not knowing any better i would rather have boat hull than another motor.
 
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Check-Six.com lists seven.
Seven what?
 
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Check-Six.com lists seven.
Seven what?
You are the one who started this...Look at your first post. 7 52 lossed, 4 65's. Actually these are fatal crashes.
 
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I always feel uneasy talking and writing about our crashes knowing folks that have died as well as those that were first on scene and also not wanting to bring any bad karma inadvertently to those still flying everyday.
For what ever reason we had a bad stretch in the 1978-81 years that I was on flight orders. RIP
 
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I don't have access to data like that but I can tell you that platform pickups were a great option to have
They sure were. I picked up 5 Cubans near Havana harbor with it. Used it on at least 5-6 different times. Never flew twin helo but not knowing any better i would rather have boat hull than another motor.


We had an H3 throw a main blade while taxi on the water in Sitka. The crew was very lucky to have the option to set down immediately in the water when they sensed a problem.
I also rode in an H3 that set down because of transmision problems in the sound/channel and was later towed to the boat landing in Sitka.
I think we had a lot of problems predicting on scene weather in the old days as well which added to the hazards of flying?
 
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<http://uscgaviationhistory.aoptero.org/>
 
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<http://uscgaviationhistory.aoptero.org/>

Missing my point. AIRFRAME losses only. The Ptero only shows fatal accidents.
 
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Missing my point. AIRFRAME losses only. The Ptero only shows fatal accidents.


Sorry CDR, I thought that's where you were heading. Below is a starting point.

<http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/coastguardseries.html>

I know someone who is currently doing exhaustive research to catalogue ALL CG aircraft from the start of CG aviation to current. I'll ask him and repost if he has that info.
 
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Thanks MC ( stationed tvc 60-62 AD3 )
 
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Thanks MC ( stationed tvc 60-62 AD3 )


TVC 94 - 98, Motown 00 - 04
 
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Ok...my source reported back. He could not provide an answer from the type of project he and his team are working on. Here is his response.

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Great question - one that I wanted to do some checking of my records before I answered.
Went back and checked my notes - those that I cound find - and can pretty well report that we opted out of reporting accident or mishap classifications for at least 3 reasons.

1. We wanted to stay away from anything related to the wording "ACCIDENT" or "MISHAP"
based on the fact that we had no access to such items/info and could only guess at the airframe and/or lives lost in such events.

2. On several of the "MISHAPS" that were termed Class A regarding hull damage with NO lost of life, the remains of the airframes were actually rebuilt by the outstanding and talented folks at ARSC and continued to serve long lives as viable rescue platforms that eventually were retired from USCG service due to old age. Likewise, we have come across cases where the injury level as well as the airframe damage would qualify an event as a CLASS A mishap, the remains of the airframe were rebuilt and continued to serve with active Coast Guard units. Several of these were the H-3 and H-52 airframes.

3. We found several CLASS A mishaps that involved "NO" damage (dings or otherwise) to USCG machines but proved either fatal or disabled a crew member in the process. One case comes to mind wherein a young AD exited an aircraft to extinguish a stack fire on a fixed wing asset and walked into a rotating propeller. He suffered fatal injuries while the airframe suffered no damage at all.

Hence, we opted very early on, at the suggestion of some of the old-timers, to not mention the subject of MISHAP or ACCIDENT. Our main purpose was to document the entry and exit of aircraft in USCG service, and if, in the process, an accident caused the loss of an aircraft, to simply mention the loss date of the aircraft and the number of fatalities involved.

Even though ths above does not answer your question, I hope it explains why we do not have the info broken down by mishap class. My best guess is that the Aviation Safety Shop would have the info broken down by individual airframe type.
 
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the closest I came to being involved in a Class A in the -52 was when the pilot flew past a perfectly good airport when the Low Fuel light was illuminated. The second time he did it, I started taking my name off the flight schedule when his name was on it. He flew under bridges, too, for what might have been classified as "fun". Thankfully, after he demolished the tail wheel assembly by driving it up into the transition section via a failed autorotation, he seemed to have learned his lesson. He turned into a pretty good dude.
 
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the closest I came to being involved in a Class A in the -52 was when the pilot flew past a perfectly good airport when the Low Fuel light was illuminated. The second time he did it, I started taking my name off the flight schedule when his name was on it. He flew under bridges, too, for what might have been classified as "fun". Thankfully, after he demolished the tail wheel assembly by driving it up into the transition section via a failed autorotation, he seemed to have learned his lesson. He turned into a pretty good dude.


Is the first letter of the last name H??
 
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Humm seem to recall a guy... maybe went by the name No Hover (fill in last name here)

Rebuilt the aft bulkhead with 3/4" plywood and lagbolts and towed it to the museum.

Ahh the good old days. Dave, the low fuel light was just an advisory, doesn't mean anything. "Tim" the skiing/mule driving dummy told me so
 
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Humm seem to recall a guy... maybe went by the name No Hover (fill in last name here)

Rebuilt the aft bulkhead with 3/4" plywood and lagbolts and towed it to the museum.

Ahh the good old days. Dave, the low fuel light was just an advisory, doesn't mean anything. "Tim" the skiing/mule driving dummy told me so


Getting warm.....
 
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