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Good for us.
I have always said that the military is good for black men. There are positive role models, they get away from their mothers and environments and they learn a trade and they can secure a future. I have also stated that its safer in Iraq than in Philadelphia (were over 300 blackmen has died violently in 2007). Now I have some numbers to back me up. This message has been edited. Last edited by: RT841, |
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I am African-American myself and being a recruiter I got the message out about the Marine Corps to the African-American community that I recruited in. The ones that I put in are thriving now. Some didn't have that father figure in their life and was looking for direction and you know the Corps is one HELL of a father figure and it will give you that direction!
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I thought there was only one color in the Marines...
GREEN Ok, probably SAND now days. |
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We're all Green!
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The hardest part is getting the young black men to actually listen to anyone other than their local city and neighborhood idiots that have the typical racist mentality. I'm not black but while growing uo in Camden, NJ I couldn't tell you how many times I heard the typical B.S. Once you get out of that environment most of us never look back or go back.
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Why is the government always so worried about the ratio of blacks/whites/hispanics/women/men. I have always felt that affirmative action was the most racist action perpatrated on the blacks. Affirmative action starts out saying, you're inferior therefore we have to give you a break. If anything, applications years ago should have just left off the part of race. There are still forms that require checking that box. If you're qualified you should get the position, period. As for black influencers not wanting their children into the military because of the war, that's just cowardice. I have a nephew who won't go in for the same reason. I have so much as called him a coward. I told him and my in-laws, so it's alright for my children to go and fight while you are nice and safe here at home. That's how it always is, it's someone else's child to die for the country. Well, that dog don't hunt!
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I did recruiters assistance my last months in the Corps a few years ago and there was a black poolee I took out to PT. He told me that most of his family was against him joining because they believed he was fighting the "white mans war". There was also a black female poolee. She had the recruiters drop her off a block from where she lived because she did not want her family see her with Marines. She said basically the same thing that her family believed it was a "white man" or "rich mans war".
This mentality I believe is spread in the black community. It is spread because "misery loves company". Those who know they wont make anything of themselves or are too coward or lazy to serve try to keep others down. It hurts to see others succeed while you fail. The infantry was mostly white and hispanic when I was in atleast 2001-2005, while many admin jobs were held by blacks. Doubt it has changed much since. It was an issue I actually wondered about myself but kind of understood after I did recruiters assistance. |
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All due respect - I don't care much for that logic. The military is not for everyone, and we should have among our ranks, as much as possible, only those who want to join of their own free will and not while under duress or because of some hardship. If you are in prison, or in the military, you are institutionalized. Of course, one is far better than the other - but the point I'm making is that in both instances, people lose a good degree of control of their lives and their ability to exercise free will is suppressed. A person who gives up that level of autonomously should do so freely. To say that "the military is good for black men" implies to me that they are unable to make themselves viable citizens unless someone puts the clamps on them. Also, the idea that black people are less than patriotic because their percentages in the military are smaller than some non-blacks feel they should be is b.s., as well. We've been down Stupid Street before with this; why the hell are we going backward? Do not be so narrow-minded to believe that the blatantly stupid behavior of a minority - yes, minority - of people is an indicator of a group. Yeah, the percentages are troubling; there's no question about that. But they are Americans first and they deserve the same treatment, good or bad, as any other Yank. But they are individuals - and they are free to do well or screw up just like the rest of us and should be judged on their own personal merits. |
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I am saying that the military is a good post high school option and a viable way for black men (because the article is about black enlistment)to better themselves. And the military is a good option for all races and sexes that are not college types. I did not say it was for everyone. I only did four years because it was not for me but it did make me a better person. The lack of role models is an issue, the lack of hope in a issue. The military provides both. I work with white men and hispanic men would never enlist so I would never mention the lack of patriotic spirit of any race. Obviously people don't know their history, ALL WARS HAD ITS PROFITEERS, so the whitemans war is kind of lame but if you look at the history of America it easy to see where that comes from. |
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If you've got the 'nads to become a Marine, join the Marine Corps. Otherwise, stay on the block, we don't want you. "Save the drama for your Momma." It doesn't matter to me what color you are, if your a Marine......your family.
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The statistics of racial and ethnic backgrounds has been a topic for so long because the politicians need them when questioned by constituents. We all know the questions. Those statistics don't indicate how many stay in, go on to college, become officers; or, get out, go to college, and become prominent leaders and successful members in their communities.
In this time of our cultural history, the need for good role models is extremely important. In the military, true mentorship and leadership knows no color or creed. In my ancestory, the uncles, the mothers' brother, raised and taught the sons. When a man enters the military, the same leadership and training are provided. What once wasn't accepted, becomes the norm. That is a good thing. I won't touch the 10% axiom/theory/rule. It is there. In our time, your time, it was/is our duty to insure comradeship through setting the example as a good person and good leader. In the military we could/can get rid of most of the scum. If they were trash, they got my boot regardless of any outward appearance. I looked for, and usually found, the man inside. If we ever stop looking for that man and those qualities...this country is done. "We must destroy ourselves from within, before we can be destroyed from without" Respects, Sergeant Major |
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Keep recruiting these men and giving them a hopeful chance at life. That way, the next generation of families will be better for it. God Bless you recruiter! |
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Military.com Forums Sound Off! Tom Philpott Benefits Column - Sound Off! Marine Black Recruits Up 40 Percent
