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Originally posted by M123Driver:
I have no problem with service members who were held on active duty beyond their EOS date being fairly compensated for the disruption of their lives. Before the government extends the service commitment for volunteers who met their obligations, there should be a draft to give people who would not otherwise serve the opportunity to do something for their fellow Americans.

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Originally posted by OX:
Look on the back of all enlistment contracts. It says very plainly that the Soldier has incurred an eight year commitment and can be required to maintain active duty status for that entire period.
You read contracts for your house, car and other things. It's not even "small print" It gets initialed.

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Originally posted by Another4Truth:
I’ll bet not to many of you know that the man behind “stop loss” and set the whole thing up for, guess who? Yep! Good ole’ Dick Cheney when he was Secretary of Defense was Major General Howard B, Bromberg now Commanding General of Fort Bliss.

Major General Howard B, Bromberg was of the Patriot Missile friendly fire cover up after they shot down a couple of our own.

Yep, they rewarded him with a promotion and sent him to the A hole of America.

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by Another4Truth:
I’ll bet not to many of you know that the man behind “stop loss” and set the whole thing up for, guess who? Yep! Good ole’ Dick Cheney when he was Secretary of Defense was Major General Howard B, Bromberg now Commanding General of Fort Bliss.

Major General Howard B, Bromberg was of the Patriot Missile friendly fire cover up after they shot down a couple of our own.

Yep, they rewarded him with a promotion and sent him to the A hole of America.

Really? explain then how men Drafted for 12 Months in 1940 were Stoplossed for 5 years Eisenhower?

The men drafted were to be discharged in October 1941. and the President-FDR and Congress extended them for another year initially, and then for the "Duration Plus 6 months"

My Father was drafted in 1940 and didnt get home until late Fall 1945

ZCant blame everything in Life on Cheney


though the Moonbats will try

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Last Sunday Cheney admitted that Iraq had no connection to the world trade center. You must have been deep into huff and puff. I never thought Iraq was tied to it. But I did think Iraq was a threat and after 9-11, agreed that we could not take that chance again. After all SH did pay terrorist's families when they went and did suicide missions into Israel. I know you want to continue to compare the premptive attack on Iraq with WWII but in WWII we actually had a enemy who was kicking the worlds butt. Those that got drafted were drafted for the duration, not stop lossed.

Cheney started the stop loss using Major General Howard B. Bromberg as his minion.

The attack on Iraq was pure and simple naked aggression without any legal justification. Bush and company should go to jail for what they did. Not another one that needs a reminder of what others thought....

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John F-ing Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,)
and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F-ing. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F-ing. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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Last Sunday Cheney admitted that Iraq had no connection to the world trade center. You must have been deep into huff and puff. I never thought Iraq was tied to it. But I did think Iraq was a threat and after 9-11, agreed that we could not take that chance again. After all SH did pay terrorist's families when they went and did suicide missions into Israel. I know you want to continue to compare the premptive attack on Iraq with WWII but in WWII we actually had a enemy who was kicking the worlds butt. Those that got drafted were drafted for the duration, not stop lossed.

Cheney started the stop loss using Major General Howard B. Bromberg as his minion.

The attack on Iraq was pure and simple naked aggression without any legal justification. Bush and company should go to jail for what they did. Not another one that needs a reminder of what others thought....

Just for you. Maybe it will refresh your memory or edjumencate ya. Maybe all these folks need to be put in jail to?

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John F-ing Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,)
and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F-ing. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F-ing. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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Originally posted by Another4Truth:

Last Sunday Cheney admitted that Iraq had no connection to the world trade center. I know you want to continue to compare the premptive attack on Iraq with WWII but in WWII we actually had a enemy who was kicking the worlds butt. Those that got drafted were drafted for the duration, not stop lossed.

Cheney started the stop loss using Major General Howard B. Bromberg as his minion.

The attack on Iraq was pure and simple naked aggression without any legal justification. Bush and company should go to jail for what they did.

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Originally posted by tubeboob:

Oh yeah here we go again alright. The difference in WW2 and nowadays all enlisted force? Well lets see,a declared war,universal rationing,total mobilization for starters.[/QUOTE Also now we have Jet Airplanes, Helicopters Satellite Communications, Body Armor,Higher Education, Less Criminals enlisted, Higher Standards for Promotion, Fitness, Professional Education, etc. and we arent using Water Cooled Brownings and Wildcat Fighters either.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tubeboob:
So now the opposition to paying the guys for their stop loss time want to use the serve for the duration (WW2) as a backstop to excuse stop loss rather than come to grips with the 800 lb gorilla in the room,the need for more manpower.

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Originally posted by tubeboob:

Bring back the draft,stop using "contractors" as soldiers,and start taking responsibility for the guys (and gals) who have served above and beyond the call of duty (and that means the stop lossed)and pay them their "overtime".

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by Another4Truth:

Last Sunday Cheney admitted that Iraq had no connection to the world trade center. I know you want to continue to compare the premptive attack on Iraq with WWII but in WWII we actually had a enemy who was kicking the worlds butt. Those that got drafted were drafted for the duration, not stop lossed.

Cheney started the stop loss using Major General Howard B. Bromberg as his minion.

The attack on Iraq was pure and simple naked aggression without any legal justification. Bush and company should go to jail for what they did.

1- you just proved my point about the Moonbats

2- I dont know about You, But I was Never told that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11, And I actually served in Iraq.

3- Again, The FACTS are that men drafted(and Federalized, for the National Guard) for 12 Months, (to Expire in OCTOBER 1941) were extended BEFORE the Japanese Attacked us in DECEMBER 1941. We Weren't at War then, Correct?

4- Public Law 107-243 IS Authorization.

77 Yes to 23 No in the Senate
297 Yes to 133 No in the House

Representative Democracy in action.

Dont like it? dont let the door to America hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out.