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RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,185276,00.html
Its about time ! "Train as you fight" means nothing if it doesn't include the proper mind set BEFORE the first genuine firefight or IED incident occurs In Country. Grizzled old combat veterans @ FT Polk, LA made sure we "FNGs" were well indoctrinated into what VIETNAM was really like during EVERY lane we trained on. ESPECIALLY the booby traps, favorite ambush techniques of Victor Charles, trail markers THEY used, and SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. The absence of children is a dead give away when you enter a village. If the locals bug out of a local bar that GIs frequent all of a sudden,
its time to didi mau the AO ASAP. Things like that.
The BAD news is that all these little techniques that are tell tale signs of survival
for the veterans are not necessarily passed on to the next cycle of troops pulling a tour into
either Iraq or AfPak. THEY NEED TO BE continually updated. "Here's what you can expect during your tour of duty..." should be
part of every In Country indoctrination course.
This includes how to properly conduct home inspections for weapons & contraband in an Arab
home. Their customs and value systems.
To NOT encourage the TEAM aspect of getting through a tour of duty and allowing individuals to feel comfortable about their daily missions,
is to invite more troops with PTSD and subsequent morale issues during a unit's tour of duty in a Zone.
 
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It may be good to be in touch with reality and to be aware of one's situation. That helps avoid a potential battle.

Once one starts, 'berserk' is probably more effective.

'Berserk', however, doesn't play well on the home front. I'd bet dollars to donuts, decompression training doesn't hold a match to the other stuff.

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I was impressed to hear my son talk of a mock town built on his base, guess I shouldn't say where incase someone prefers me not to.

Anyway, clearing a mock town with role players, blanks firing away, helicopters buzzing overhead. I think they used simunition and not the Miles Gear. Take a hit from those rounds and you'll remember what you did wrong. Been there, done that. Eek

Sounds like some great training to me. I'm glad to see the tax dollars being spent on useful stuff like this, at least I feel it is very useful.

Don
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Originally posted by 3371796:
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,185276,00.html
Its about time ! "Train as you fight" means nothing if it doesn't include the proper mind set BEFORE the first genuine firefight or IED incident occurs In Country. Grizzled old combat veterans @ FT Polk, LA made sure we "FNGs" were well indoctrinated into what VIETNAM was really like during EVERY lane we trained on. ESPECIALLY the booby traps, favorite ambush techniques of Victor Charles, trail markers THEY used, and SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. The absence of children is a dead give away when you enter a village. If the locals bug out of a local bar that GIs frequent all of a sudden,
its time to didi mau the AO ASAP. Things like that.
The BAD news is that all these little techniques that are tell tale signs of survival
for the veterans are not necessarily passed on to the next cycle of troops pulling a tour into
either Iraq or AfPak. THEY NEED TO BE continually updated. "Here's what you can expect during your tour of duty..." should be
part of every In Country indoctrination course.
This includes how to properly conduct home inspections for weapons & contraband in an Arab
home. Their customs and value systems.
To NOT encourage the TEAM aspect of getting through a tour of duty and allowing individuals to feel comfortable about their daily missions,
is to invite more troops with PTSD and subsequent morale issues during a unit's tour of duty in a Zone.


Did you read the article? This has nothing to do with training before deployment. This is training to help you integrate back after a deployment. I am two weeks back for Iraq, and just had this class. It has nothing to do with any combat training or passing on lessons learned. All that does happen, but the article is about training to help those of us coming back merge back into normal life.
 
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Did you read the article? This has nothing to do with training before deployment. This is training to help you integrate back after a deployment. I am two weeks back for Iraq, and just had this class. It has nothing to do with any combat training or passing on lessons learned. All that does happen, but the article is about training to help those of us coming back merge back into normal life.


Do what me and my friends did when we got back in 2004, go get drunk, go to concerts, go to strip clubs, get laid. The rest of the stuff you wont deal with until later on.
 
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Both predeployment and postdeployment psychological training deserve further study to continually tweak their implementation. Military members, along with their families, tend to cope more effectively when they can gauge what is "normal" to experience throughout the deployment cycle.
 
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Right about the time you are starting to cope with being back home......

You're going back to Iraq again.

Six deployments = tough to recover from.
 
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"Likewise, combat driving in the middle of the road, or always being armed, needs to be transitioned into following driving and gun possession laws -- and understanding that the danger has passed."

ARE ALL PSYCHOLOGISTS NUTS? These guys and gals have been fighting to defend and protect our Constitution (which includes the 2nd Amnendment), and some such nut is telling them they are now "safe" in cities like Chicago and Washington DC when disarmed by politicians?
 
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"Likewise, combat driving in the middle of the road, or always being armed, needs to be transitioned into following driving and gun possession laws -- and understanding that the danger has passed."

ARE ALL PSYCHOLOGISTS NUTS? These guys and gals have been fighting to defend and protect our Constitution (which includes the 2nd Amnendment), and some such nut is telling them they are now "safe" in cities like Chicago and Washington DC when disarmed by politicians?


Good lord. American's obession with guns is really scary sometimes. Fear is a powerful weapon.
 
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Good lord. American's obession with guns is really scary sometimes. Fear is a powerful weapon.


Yup, never needed a gun myself. My mouth was always enough.

Although I have to wonder on this website from the Emails that I get sometimes if that will always be the case.....lol. Big Grin
 
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Good lord. American's obession with guns is really scary sometimes. Fear is a powerful weapon.

A highly armed citizenry is not a fear - it is a statement saying - "Don't mess with me to much"... I've been a shooter since I was 9, damn good since I was 12 - I like the smell of them when I clean them (I think I'm addicted to Hoppe's bore cleaner), I like the way the actions sound when operationally checking them.... I like the fear them cans and targets have when I have them in my sights (no scopes here - all iron sights and kentucky windage and elevation) except a ancient varminter I have... (.22Hornet) and I like all the beer/booze my skills have brought me over the years. Big Grin


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