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Peace through air and space Power.... USAF Lifer, retired  |
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,181232,00.html
Just maybe they should consult with the drug smugglers out of Central America/Mexico... who have already been using a crude type of submarine to supply the addicts in the United States. I don't believe that vehicle completely submerged... But what'll I know.  |
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The principal problem with SEALS using this methodology is quite simply, it's STUPID! The prospect of using a submersible vehicle that travels at less than 10 miles per hour submerged, is like going back 100 years in our ability to quietly and effectively deliver troops to the battle. The SEALS need to get over their fascination with JAMES BOND and begin training for actually training for missions instead of "winging" it as they all too often do. There is no substitute for a well thought out warrior instead of the impetuous and dangerously (unwarranted) arrogance they traing into their "budsies"......JB in MT
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ExActionGuy:
I have no personal experience working with SEALS. (But, I did have one as a drinking buddy briefly during two different phases of my training!) But I have a life-long friend from the Navy, who has had extensive experience providing support to SEAL operations and -for a while in the 1990s- to both SF and SEALS. His opinions about SEALs, based upon a comparison of their approach to -and conduct of- operations with those of Special Forces, are consistent with yours. SEALS are reckless. They acknowledge it and proudly! Their 4-man team concept is not intended to carry out sustained operations either. I personally think that the SEALS should cross-train -and be recruited from- the ranks of the Marine Corps, particularly Force Recon. They will become more complete as military professionals, and will have a better career experience, should they serve tours of duty with Marine units as well. |
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The United States would be better-served if it developed "Unmanned Submersible Vehicles" (USVs) which would be equivalent to the Air Forces's UAVs. Such vehicles could be designed to launch from the torpedo tubes or cruise missile tubes of a submarine.
They could perform reconnaisance or sabotage activities, probably more effectively than human beings could, depending upon the robot- and stealth capabilities designed into the vehicle. They could be retrievable as well. |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot |
I hope you are dropping your application for employment off at the US Navy's office TODAY. Man, you are on to something.   Don |
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Moderator Military Spouses Forum spousemod.mturnb@gmail.com |
The Navy had a platform that was very effective at delivering SEALs but chose to destroy it rather than upgrade it. That was the GRAYBACK (LPSS574). It had already been outfitted with a dry hangar that could be flooded to launch SDVs. The hull size was very similar to the NAUTILUS so it would have been possible to refit it to nuclear power. Some very spooky things were done by this boat during Vietnam and it had the capability to operate in as little as 60 feet of water. Unfortunately, those that be decided that the best option was to use it for target practice.
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot |
For those like me who still like to have photos when they read.   Don |
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but it's a bear for those who move their lips when they read |
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Question for all of you submariners out there, is that a picture of the U.S.S. Halibut?... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Well if you could do it, you would be too. |
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Oh Please. Stick to commenting on the army cake eater. My firend of a friend of a friend said something about SF and big army too. |
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The Navy has had several submarines fitted to carry SEALs; the GRAYBACK was the last diesel-electric craft fitted for that role; it would have been impossible to fit her with nuclear propulsion. Subsequently, the Navy developed the Dry Deck Shelter (DDS), which permits nuclear attack (SSN) and converted ballistic missile (SSBN) submarines to (1) carry SDVs and (2) lock out swimmer with rubber rafts. The ex-SSBNs (four were perviously converted in addition to the four SSGNs now in service)could each accommodate two DDS (i.e., up to two SDVs per submarine).
BUT the Navy bought only seven DDS and never procured an updated SDV. Norman |
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No it is the Greyback. |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot |
Same boat as mturnb mentioned...the Grayback, LPSS-574 Don |
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