RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,179173,00.html

Hhmm - $16 Billion in Army avaition losses since 1986; I wonder how much in Air Force Aviation losses over teh same period of time, given their collective propensity to eject and complete destroy aircraft?

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Originally posted by frenchiet:
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,179173,00.html

Hhmm - $16 Billion in Army avaition losses since 1986; I wonder how much in Air Force Aviation losses over teh same period of time, given their collective propensity to eject and complete destroy aircraft?

Well the cost of those rotor toys you flew versus a jet fighter or bomber are significantly different - cost factors would be hard to calculate - hhmm - wonder if you had the right stuff to fly supersonic jets? Also, the cost of training an AF pilot is significant and the reason for ejection seats - it must be easy to replace helo pilots, no ejection seats.

Can't find a accumulate total of loss from the same period. The all time low was in 1997-1998 year of 1.1 Billion. Try to remember we're talking hundreds of thousands hours of flying time. Besides the fighter aircraft, you've have transport hauling your butts from one place to the next, those that drop 82nd or 101st airborne, usually on target, not to forget those unmanned vehicles that reconn and provide info for the army. Anyway, Class A serious accidents are continuing a a low level. Compared to the old days the aluminum tubes are much safer and years to retirement these great aircraft are at least three times longer.

With three grandsons flying Blackhawks, I shudder.

A breakdown by cause category of the more than 30,000 events would be of interest -- This article reminds me of an Aviation Safety meeting sans the "meat"; "The cause of this accident was ---- "

Mishaps, incidents, crashes etc.... Are part of the Military Que! What makes anyone think War, and preparing for War is a perfectly safe job?

As for the money aspect, its a drop in the bucket fokes!!!!

This story invokes an insult of the educated!!

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Originally posted by SSGTHUDMAN:
Mishaps, incidents, crashes etc.... Are part of the Military Que! What makes anyone think War, and preparing for War is a perfectly safe job?

As for the money aspect, its a drop in the bucket fokes!!!!

This story invokes an insult of the educated!!

Since wars tend to be destructive rather than the opposite, it doesn't make much sense for a peacetime or training army to be thinking ISO 9000 standards for anything, does it?

But ain't that part of the 'dotted line mystique'? Volunteering with a chance that you will get effed-up and stuff will get busted?

"Rotor Toys", "The Right Stuff", ejection seats in helicopters?

I think this has to be the most ignorant, silly post I have read in a long time. Were you really an E-8? The people that fly "supersonic" aircraft don't feel that way about a good helicopter pilot, I can assure you of that.

Stupid post from an Air Force E-8. Pitiful really.

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Originally posted by RichardSl:

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Originally posted by frenchiet:
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,179173,00.html

Hhmm - $16 Billion in Army avaition losses since 1986; I wonder how much in Air Force Aviation losses over teh same period of time, given their collective propensity to eject and complete destroy aircraft?

Well the cost of those rotor toys you flew versus a jet fighter or bomber are significantly different - cost factors would be hard to calculate - hhmm - wonder if you had the right stuff to fly supersonic jets? Also, the cost of training an AF pilot is significant and the reason for ejection seats - it must be easy to replace helo pilots, no ejection seats.

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Originally posted by 3428676:
With three grandsons flying Blackhawks, I shudder.

I know how you feel. I have four granddaughters flying Blackhawks.

Let's see, over the last 12 years more than 7500
Americans died ( including 9/11). That equates to $ 213,000 / person.
Are you saying each of those Americans aren't worth $213,000 each?
If you're saying something else, what's your point?
How about writing something with more meaning like
the next strick in America by the idiot terrorists.

General News - Qaeda's Zawahri urges attacks on "criminal" America
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081119/N...QAEDA-OBAMA-ZAWAHRI/

the stats provided are misleading. The hawks are the most numerous so it stands to reason they would account for the most accidents. a usefull stat would be a percentage of the amount of flight hours to accidents for each airframe. Or, much more important would be the number of deaths per airframe. one look at armyaircrews.com sheds a lot of light on the reality of flying army helos. This guy's stats suck.

As far as the air force is concerned: they poop like 20 billion after breakfast each morning. The money the army spent on accidents is not significant.

The right stuff: I know a lot of army pilots that have it but they did not go to a fancy college with pristine GPA's so they don't get the chance. I personally gaurantee that a lot of them have bigger balls and are better under fire any day.

Word to the wise: flying is not that hard and airplanes are a lot easier to fly than helos any day of the week. I know, I fly both. A black hawk has around 35 emergency procedures that need to be memorized word for word and reacted to in the blink of an eye. A c-5 and a c-17 each have about 5 eps that need to be memorized.

The bottom line is it does not take a genious to be a good fighter pilot, its just they have so few fighter jets and so many incredible applicants that the af and navy obviously take the there pick. Dont be so quick to insult army aviators.

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Originally posted by Hawk166:
"Rotor Toys", "The Right Stuff", ejection seats in helicopters?

I think this has to be the most ignorant, silly post I have read in a long time. Were you really an E-8? The people that fly "supersonic" aircraft don't feel that way about a good helicopter pilot, I can assure you of that.

Stupid post from an Air Force E-8. Pitiful really.

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Originally posted by RichardSl:

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Originally posted by frenchiet:
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,179173,00.html

Hhmm - $16 Billion in Army avaition losses since 1986; I wonder how much in Air Force Aviation losses over teh same period of time, given their collective propensity to eject and complete destroy aircraft?

Well the cost of those rotor toys you flew versus a jet fighter or bomber are significantly different - cost factors would be hard to calculate - hhmm - wonder if you had the right stuff to fly supersonic jets? Also, the cost of training an AF pilot is significant and the reason for ejection seats - it must be easy to replace helo pilots, no ejection seats.

No worse than the original poster's asanine comments.

Well, I have to say, I was only a Blackhawk back seat passenger but I was always impressed at the ride, speed, delivery and the safety.