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suspended TOS#6 pipedreamsandbabies |
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,178696,00.html What a crock. BO does not know the difference between a BN and a BDE. What recuiting and retention problems? We have soldiers reenlisting in mass formations. BO will cut mil spending and cancell DADT, that would put toxic perverts in our military w/o a mechanism to discharge them. He needs to leave us alone.
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yea i heard obama left a bunch of campaign workers with out a check they were suppose to get....
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I hope that the Pre elect realizes that with out security everything else is a mut point.
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Sadly, I fear it'll take another 9/11 for them to care.  |
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He should hold military contractors to there bids and not cost overruns. If yhey say they can build a item for a set amount then they should be held to that amount.
Like any other contractor who bids to build let say a shopping center for X amount of dollats the owner is not going to pay any more than what the bid is.No cost overruns if you can't meet your bid give back the money. |
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Interesting, now you're concerned about maintaining our superior war fighting capabilities, but you're still going to cut the defense budget.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it takes money to maintain this edge we have, not the other way around. |
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OK all you GOP pro-BUSH & McCain accolytes. YOU LOST !!
Act like grown ups and admit your leadership has put this country in SERIOUS trouble. Wake up and smell the situation. Whining, name calling and making excuses is NOT going to help this Nation of ours rebuild our infrastructure, help the economy or re-prioritize how the DoD conducts its contracting business. We all have a LOT of hard work ahead of us, and being obstructions to genuine PROGRESS is NOT a GOP or Democratic trademark. Either come up with authentic BI-partisan programs that actually can succeed or realize that the GOP "Chickenhawks" had it THEIR way for eight years and accept the fact they had a SERIOUS hand it ALL the problems from the BUSH 2 Sequel era. |
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Cutting the defense budget does not necessarily mean cutting money. It means cutting out the pork: the no bid contracts; the money for private contractors/armies; not checking out companies that got those no bid contracts - remember the out-dated eastern european provided by the Florida contractor; not caught until ammo reached the front; throwing cash around with no accountability - remember the $9 BILLION that up and disappeared under the "watchful" eye of "Viceroy" Bremmer. I think a whole plane full of weapons also disappeared on his watch. And look at all the funds given to private contractors to do what used to be done by military personnel but at a much greater cost. There are a lot of areas of defense spending where cuts can be made and still increase personnel and rearm. It is just a matter of whether the military comes first or corporate profits come first. President Bush seemed to think corporate profits came first else why the use of private contractors/armies. And who was going to question his action - remember, until 2006 the only oversight (or lack thereof) came from a Republican controlled Congress. Just have to wait and see as nothing different will occur for another 74 days. |
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We need only maintain our current military expenditures if America is going to maintain the concept of preemption? If not, there will not be any need to maintain our current levels of expenditures for the military.
As things now stand, there is a greater need to rebuild our military. Weapons systems are worn, tired and have been over utilized. Write off's have to be replaced (production problems with some systems needs to be addressed ASAP). Other issues regarding manpower need to be addressed. Right now, Captains in the Marine Corps are becoming scarce. Not as many 2nd and 1st Lieutenants are leading their troops into combat in the Marine Corps...many missions once led by 2nd/1st Lt's are being led by Staff NCO's. Not sure about other branches of the military but Captain's in the Marine Corps are being offered sweetened reup bonuses. The Corps is considering doing the same for E6's/E7's. Stress on Marine Corps choppers is a real problem...a lot of old airframes out there. Sooner or later the 46 will need to be phased out but the cost of the 22's is becoming a problem. Add the stress on troops (especially combat troops) looking at two wars with no end in sight is not a good position to be in. The current concept of limited warfare needs to be reevaluated. Anyone who has read the current Counterinsurgency Manual can see what is expected of our troops far exceeds our ability to maintain a competent and efficient fighting force. Frankly, the Manual turns our troops into politicians...just not there job. America has to decide if our job is nation building or maintaining a military for defense and as a force prepared to act if we are attacked. S/F Gordon |
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Ok, I know Bush II was a failure in his second term and has been basically politically impotent in the last 2 years and is actually a moderate and definitely not a conservative. That being said, Hussein Obama has absolutely no idea how the military even works or any clue on foreign policy issues. America's enemies are probably as giddy as Chris Mathews who apparently had multiple orgasms during Obama's infomercial and then nearly went into euphoric coma after the election.
Hussein doesnt want to strengthen the military, he wants a strong civilian force under his control domestically as well. |
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In case you haven't noticed your own words, you should have taken your own advice EIGHT YEARS AGO!... The republican party has been far more gracious in defeat, than people LIKE YOU, have been in victory... So, shall we act like you did for EIGHT YEARS and be spoilers just like YOU have been?... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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I agree with what you have posted, as far as it goes... You forget, that we must maintain "parity" or better, in weapons system quality, if not quantity, with our potential enemies, who are building on a massive scale as we post... IMHO... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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With this post, one would have to assume you have powers beyond we mere mortals? Being able to read a persons mind must be a staggering responsibility and must have caused you great mental anguish during your lifetime?
You, me, anyone else have no idea what Obama knows. And all presidents surround themselves with peole who hopefuly do know more than an individual could possibly know...that's why there are Cabinet positions in an administration. As for the military, their spending should be reigned in. The military has wasted billions of dollars at the behest of the military-industrial complex just as DDE predicted in his farewell speech. After 6 months, a year or so when the new administration has a record, maybe then sensible comments can be made about their decisions. We are all supposed to work for a better America. We will know soon enough if we are going to get one. S/F Gordon _______________________________________________
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Sunliner........
There is not a nation on this little Earth building technological weapons that can compare with our weapos development/systems. China, Russia are building mostly conventional weapons systems and adding to their manpower. Both believe in the law of large numbers and not being dependent upon technology. S/F Gordon _______________________________________________
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It takes smarts to maintain an "edge", any edge". The only thing money does is give you an "edge" in spending, nothing more. "Whats the point of having money if you don't spend it wisely" |
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Maybe I'm paranoid, but I think a major aim of the current Admin was to enrich the profits of defense contractors.
Hardly the best way to build a lean mean fighting machine. Not to mention, conserve the people's money. Had McCain got in, he would have cut a lot of pork out of DoD. I suspect Obama will do the same. |
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There is one thing to be said about quantity and it was said by the Nazi Germans in WW-II, "We could kill twelve American tanks to everyone of ours that they killed. The only problem is, they always had that thirteenth tank!"... Don't know which German said that or even IF they said that but, it was always told to me in the military, whenever a discussion of quality versus quantity arose... Quality is good but, having enough of it, is also an imperative... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Russia and China are also nations that would pay little attention to losses. In 1991 with about an even number of ground forces the coaltion forces suffered less than 400 KIA, while Iraq took at lesat 20,000. In WWII the Soviets had 9 million soldiers killed, compared to 3.5 million for Germany (many of whom died on other fronts unrelated to Russia). It resulted in ultimate victory in combination with the other fronts and a massive aerial campaign to take out the German industrial base, but without that it is doubtful if Russian superior numbers would have ever defeated Nazi Germany. The Korean War had about 100,000 killed between the South Koreans, US, and other allies. The Chinese and North Koreans had 400,000 killed. Not providing soldiers with high quality equipment is an option if you don't care about taking casualties. |
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Remember what Ike predicted about the military industrial complex and how it has come to fruition....I gather stop loss is also an indicator of our military density.... and why are our NCOs not rooting out what seems to be a growing gang culture ? I love our troops and they do not deserve to be mistreated and put into positions of being maligned....Leaders, wake up.
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I am watching with interest, whether He pays off the debt, Hillary ran up trying to match the g h o s t donors during the primarys....Bill made her feel like a substitute and Barak made her feel like a prostitute this could be items worth watching... if he renegs,,,,he will have a "fly in the ointment" my guess is when it all is played out he will find out that the press can get you elected,,,,and after that your on your own......His main pain in the posterier will be Putin's cwap. plus 100 other unknown factor's.....if he can't delegate authority,,and Lord knows,,,,,,HE HAS NO EXPIERENCE TO DRAW ON......"winging" it is just fine till one gets in the mix....Good luck CINC,,,,,gona KNEEd it....  |
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