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RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,175530_2,00.html
Huber who be who he be. I can only state the obvious. When our buddy General Musharrif was in charge there were not as many stories so it begs the question of whether we increased ops or if the ops were always what they were, but now we don't care about whether the Paki public know about it? Remember this excerpt famous from Bush's 911 address to the nation: "The search is underway for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources for our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. We certainly haven't seemed too concerned about Osama's change of address, until now, so would it appear that this is more about legacy than actual war? Because we certainly have made a huge distinction, we threatened the Pakis initially with nukes if they didn't back our op into Afghanistan, however we reigned in on them in Wazaristan? A place where the London bombers planned and trained for their op against our allies? The UK gets attacked and we don't ramp up for their terrorist attacks yet they did for ours? Begs a lot of questions...  |
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getting rid of him was the worst thing for us... now the gov that is in is a pro islamofascist gov who not only not cooperating with us but are firing on our people who cross the border.... |
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After you clear your head from the hot tub scene and you watch the rest of Charlie Wilson's War you have to wonder what goes on with those billions of dollars allocated to those secret, clandestine, Jason Bourne kind of operations so secret even most of the folks are supposed to know the secret stuff don't know about it. After strong-armer Musharraf was himself strong-armed by Richard Armitage(?), Mr. Musharraf and the Pakistani government were encouraged by hundreds of millions of dollars [cash advances on that limitless credit card, of course] "given" by our Government to Pakistan to keep a certain status quo... don't interfere with us, we won't interfere with you. Given that the "war" was going be over in weeks or at worst, a few months the deal sounded pretty good. Then as history [that's how long it's been, folks... when it started is now "history"] has well documented, the investment firm of Cheney, Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz took the blood and treasure of America and "invested" it in a speculative venture that they were certain, as Wolfowitz publically declared, "pay for itself" once the desert dust settled. The folks who never wanted us in still don't want us in. The folks who wanted us in to get a job done then leave now want us out more and more. The folks who wanted us in to get the job done then hang around a little while to help things settle down now seem to feel that after six years and the job is still not done that you can forget about the part where you hang around until things settle down. Joseph Heller gave us the expression "Catch 22" over 40 years ago, I think. Maybe it's time to update the expression. Catch 22 Squared? Cubed? To the N-th Degree?
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Now, let me see if I have this right. There's meadow muffins piling up in Somalia, Pakistan and perhaps Iraq and Afghanistan. Those muffins are being watched by CIA Agents eating spit sandwiches in unmanned vehicles. One CIA operative must be French, because the word "Merde" is used without apology. This is all based on Congress declaring, back in Oct 02, that war by Bush is OK. Yet it has taken Bush until now to realize he could smite the Philistines. With all the meadow muffin talk in that part of the world, surely a pony is there somewhere.
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Yeah the PPP have always been such fans of "islamofascists", especially so after those "islamofascists" killed their Chairperson Benazir Bhutto. |
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her job was done with them.... her son can do more for them now then she could..... these people have a different aspect of life then we the west do.... |
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Right... they just don't care about life. I mean, who wants to live? Who in "the east" would want to have a family and a way to provide for them, or friends and extended family to gather with every year, or children playing outside with smiles on their happy little faces... Those "easterners" sure hate living.
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no not really... an quote from osama
"we islam loves death the west they love life" they value life less then we do... well differently anyways.... to them when they die they go to a better place with all their material needs are met.... its odd these jihadist are even different then your everyday muslims.... |
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I don't know who can make claim to that "osama" comment you posted, nor do I care all that much, but the main reason you say these things is because you do not understand the peoples of that area of the world, their religion or the vast majority of those same people, most whom are NOT terrorists.
I am not saying I DO understand them, anymore than I understand brain surgery, but I try not to lump all those people into one hateful basket full of Devils, either. |
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Does that include "Republicans" or "conservatives"? Your usual posts say differently. Anyway, back on topic (sorta). The middle east has been called the "Cradle of Civilization." And perhaps it was, but that cradle rocked and robbed by a hateful perversion of islam, which has kept a large part of the different populaces in the darkness of illiteracy and under the thumb of bitter old men who mete out harsh punishments for petty offenses, or in a fit of religious epilepsy. The average muslim is subjected daily to religious propaganda on a scale that makes Russia and China salivate. Descension is not debated, it is obliterated. Fear is the main tool of control employed by these evil-minded control freaks. Living under that, for generations, is it any wonder they have the view of the west that they do? Juxtapositioned to that is our own culture of free excess, mindless entertainment and corpulant consumption. We can slander, riducule and to some extent, even threaten our government, without fear of retribution. Something that would result in a slit throat or a bullet in the head, over there. The root of the problem lies in the ignorance of cultures on BOTH sides. One cannot win the "hearts and minds" of a people when they don't have a good understanding of what is dear to those hearts and what runs through those minds. We use tactics that work on the western mind, they use tactics that work on the islamic mind. And never the twain shall meet! |
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Right! They just love it when you kill their wives and mothers! They take it as a sign or respect. They are sooooooooooooo different from us. Must be somewhere in the Koran, "Obey those who kill your beloved." Can't find the verse, but it must be there...  Dave |
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Nah, Dave, it's not in there. But it does have a few passages that say call for death to infidels and Jews (I have an english version of the Quoran, but it's at home, so I can't quote verbatim), but that's beside the point. Unless of course, you're an infidel or Jew ... and the "islamofascist" get there hateful little fingers on Pakistan's nukes. But back to your comment. I think you may have missed the point outlaws was making. I think he was saying that Benazir Bhutto was past her prime, as a politician, and that her son could do more, as he is probably more in touch with the current generation, and not saddled with his mother's political baggage. At least that's how I read it. Lonnie |
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It may come as a shock to you, but yes, in fact they ARE very different than us. But that's because we haven't lived under the islamic sword for 1400 years. We hold life above political or religious dogma, they don't. The proof is in the suicide/homocide bombers. |
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Depends on what you mean by "different" I guess. To my understanding one can live under all sorts of swords and still fight for food, family, security, etc. One can still enjoy a clean home, or good joke, or a hot meal. If you add up the number of suicide bombers across the world and tally up all their victims, as traggic and horrible as it is, I'll bet it still is less than Americans killing Americans through drunk driving and gun accidents and gun crime. I've posted before the numbers that show the #1 "terrorist" victimizing Americans is the drunk driver. Just some food-for-thought. |
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You have to remember that to outlaws93 ANYONE that disagrees with what he wants to be true is wrong and an enemy of the US. To outlaw93 the FACT that the current government in Pakistan is not doing what the are told by the Bush admin makes them an Enemy. Of course what the government is trying to do in the tribal areas is what the US did in the Sunni areas of Iraq. They are trying to get the locals to cooperate rather than fight. |
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what?? dude you are way off.... but believe whatever you want to....thats your right here in this country...you wont get string up or taken and stuck in a camp for speaking your mind... |
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meet a few islamofascist they will tell you... although it might be a little hard now... but back in the 90s they had no problem telling people.... especially if they though you were going to join them.... |
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i guess you missed this part of what i said... but thats ok...
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If only Muslims kill or don't respect life what about * Japan until after WWII * The Christians in Germany during WWII * Stalin's Purges * Mao's purges * The thousands killed by Christians during apartheid in South African, etc. * Pol Pot's purges * The Buddhist who control Mayanmar (Burma) * The Christians in Rwanda who killed hundreds of thousands. * Christians in Bosnia doing things such as killing thousands of unarmed prisoners and using rape as a method of ethnic cleansing. * The fact that some of the bombers against Israel have been Christian Heck you can even add mass killing of civilians during time of war by the Allies during WWII since a VERY good case can be made that the carpet bombing and Atom bombing of cities broke treates that the US and it's allies had signed and at least for the US ratified treaties are US law. To go back a little further * War of the Triple Alliance in South America where Paraguay’s prewar population of well over 1,000,000 was reduced to about 221,000 in 1871, of which only about 28,000 were men by Christians * Treatment of Native Americans by the Christians of the US of A * Boer War. The English "concentration camps" * Second Congo War started 1998 about 5,000,000 dead, incidents such as Pygmies being hunted and eaten as if they were animals, sexual atrocities as a means of control. Main religion in area Christianity. * Since most of the deaths during Stalin's, Mao's and Pol Pot's purges were from forced labor I will mention the approx. 50,000,000 killed during colonization in Africa and Asia (up to 21,000,000 in the Congo area alone) from forced labor, etc. And there is evidence of maybe and addition 30,000,000 dead in man-made famines (for example taking crops to sell and allowing people to die) from the late 1800's until the mid 1900's. This message has been edited. Last edited by: rayld2, |
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