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We have the ribbon. Why do we need the medal. As far as I'm concerned, there are too many "feel good" ribbons and medals already being issued. For Chrise sake, I have looked at some of the ribbons our members on here have, and I laugh. Some are issued for just being in that branch of service...without having done anything yet. And I'm not referring to the National Defense ribbon/medal, although I have my reservations on that one too.
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I think the ribbon is enough. I really don't see the point in making it a medal also. It will just cost more and you will have to get your medals redone. Pointless.
As far as the National Defense Ribbon goes Badmac: You have to serve during a time of war to rate it. So not everybody has that either, but since 2002 or 2003 everyone has gotten it...same as the GWOT |
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I still look at the NDR as a 'gimmie'.
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I have always said that if a combat Vet wore nothing on his uniform and all others wore rows of medals, that would be the military I would want to serve in.
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I know of guys that were wounded in Iraq, awarded the PH and denied the CAR.
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I think that it would be just if the Marines would be given a medal similar to the ARMY CIB (Combat Infantryman's Badge) based upon the same or similar qualifications for the same that the Army requires.
Those Marines that would meet these qualifications definitely deserve the same and should be recognized through the medal. |
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The VFW will have an uphill battle with this one. Just look at how long they've been fighting to pass a cold war victory medal. It was proposed in what?...1994 and it still hasn't been approved.
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Experienced Member ------------------  Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------  |
http://www.mrfa.org/CAR.criteria.htm
Seems to me the CAR has been downgraded and become a blanket award. Sorry, but, I stopped in Norfolk years ago while on vacation. I could not believe all the sailors sporting a CAR. I wanted to visit one of the kids from the neighborhood that was serving on an LPH at the time. Riddle me this: What the hell did an MM3 USN do to merit a CAR? He sure as hell did not engage an enemy and come under fire. Also, if memory serves me correct, the only Naval Vessel that suffered casualties due to an enemy since Vietnam was the USS Cole. Being in theater and actually taking fire are two different things. I was under fire and actually engaged Charlie, not that it was a big deal. Just another case of trying to put up pretty ribbons as far as I am concerned. Medal or ribbon, it should only be awarded to those that saw the elephant. |
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We came under mortar and rocket fire sometimes daily, and still did not meet the criteria for the CAR and that's fine. But my Son was telling me that the ship that had a round fired at it off the coast of Israel, that hit the water got it. The whole ship is entitled to wear it if the ship got it. That would explain the MM having it. As I posted above we have some PH winners in my battalion that don't have a CAR. Who knows?  |
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Let me ask you a question. If you are well behind the front line doing support duty, and a missle comes in from the enemy side and some of you are wounded, should you get a Combat Action Ribbon as well as the Purple Heart? |
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I'll leave that definition up to someone like you. You should also look at the rest of my post and ask if the ship should have gotten it. |
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Experienced Member ------------------ Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------ |
Let me ask you a simple question. How can you be on the front lines doing support duty? REMF's are in the rear, not on the front line. |
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Actually he does say "behind the front lines" It's not easy to answer a question like his. If you go back to WWII, you can picture someone on a ship taking round after round. Is that combat? Should they get a CAR? We recieved incoming almost daily. Was that combat? I'll let him stand on his soapbox and answer both questions and see who he ticks off. I'll not answer any question like that. I'll quote Obama the great: "It's above my paygrade"  |
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Experienced Member ------------------ Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------ |
Upon further review, yes that is what he said. However; Sleepy Head is itching for a fight. (I mean meaningful debate)  |
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Maybe this will help with your riddle: The USS Cole, you already know about...17 dead sailors. Marine Barracks, Beirut, Oct. 1983...killed 220 Marines, 18 Sailors, 3 Army USS Stark, May 1897, Persian Gulf...2 excocet missles killed 37 sailors Operation Just Cause, Dec 1989, Panama, killed 18 Army, 4 Sailors, 1 Marine. Got it? |
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If you can read....I said "If you are well behind the front line doing support duty..." |
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Experienced Member ------------------ Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------  |
and here I have thought for years that all marines had bulldogs as pets............. |
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I gotta get going, I'll be back tomorrow.
Whatcha think about the topic Ed? See ya, Mac |
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Experienced Member ------------------ Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------ |
  USS Guam, LPH-9. pre Grenada invasion on 25 October 1983. That's me in the one picture. Besides, what does that have to do with Panama? I think you need to think about what I said and what my point was. |
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