RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,172739_2,00.html
Hmmmm... I'm wondering if the slam-Obama commentators for Gaffney's op-ed will make it over here? You're hitting bullseyes here, Jeff.

Another arm chair QB sounds off from the easy chair. What a load of crap from a guy that has an agenda. All education, no brains. Communists and fifth columnists like this are what makes going back into the fight so frustrating. They wont see victory until The American military is disbanded, Bin Laden is setting up his Caliphate in San Fransico and all the "rich ( except for himself and other movie stars and librals) are fed to the homeless.

What a s*** bag.

The most important paragraph in the entire article:

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Whatever the case, Petraeus and the rest of the neocon puzzle artists also have to cope with the general assessment that Obama is correct in saying we need to draw troops out of Iraq and start focusing on Pakistan and Afghanistan like we should have been doing all along. That gets dicey because they can't deny what he's saying, but agreeing with him is a tacit confession that the surge was yet another in a long procession of Bush administration strategic fumbles.

But wait... McCain and even G.W. now agree... with Obama's 16-month plan for getting OUT of IRAQ.

It is pure pleasure to watch John McCain implode with every utterance, no wait - I meant everything that is prepared for him to read (badly) on the newfangled teleprompter gadget-thingie.

OX - when you can match the credentials of the writer, someone might believe your trash. Your say that he is a Communists and a fifth columnists - a retired American warrior wanting the military disbanded and he is a s*** bag. I'm lost with your rantings - what was the mistruths that we was writing about. Man give us some facts rather than a personal attack against a fellow military who appears to have had a distinguished career.

Why wasn't the DippSchidt tag put on the thread title so I'd know this was Hubbbber? just wasted my time again....

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Originally posted by godawgz:
Why wasn't the DippSchidt tag put on the thread title so I'd know this was Hubbbber? just wasted my time again....

Oh, c'mon, Dawg! You can do better than that!

If Hussein Obama had his way we would have already turned tail and Iraq would be such a mess that there is no way he could have had his photo op. To deny the effect of the surge is to deny reality.

The writer of the op-ed has no credibility. His hate for Cheney every word he writes.

Agree.

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:
The most important paragraph in the entire article:

quote:

Whatever the case, Petraeus and the rest of the neocon puzzle artists also have to cope with the general assessment that Obama is correct in saying we need to draw troops out of Iraq and start focusing on Pakistan and Afghanistan like we should have been doing all along. That gets dicey because they can't deny what he's saying, but agreeing with him is a tacit confession that the surge was yet another in a long procession of Bush administration strategic fumbles.

But wait... McCain and even G.W. now agree... with Obama's 16-month plan for getting OUT of IRAQ.

It is pure pleasure to watch John McCain implode with every utterance, no wait - I meant everything that is prepared for him to read (badly) on the newfangled teleprompter gadget-thingie.

Don't be so ignorant Whether, we always said when it was over we would leave. With what is happening in Iraq right now, it is almost over, but not yet. Remember, it is only over when the President says it is over! That's the way things are.

I might also remind you that it was Obama that said we would never win in Iraq! Now, he is taking credit for the obvious and for what Geroge bush said all along. There is still no time limit!

I might add, we will be walking out winners, instead of running out losers!

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:
The most important paragraph in the entire article:

quote:

Whatever the case, Petraeus and the rest of the neocon puzzle artists also have to cope with the general assessment that Obama is correct in saying we need to draw troops out of Iraq and start focusing on Pakistan and Afghanistan like we should have been doing all along. That gets dicey because they can't deny what he's saying, but agreeing with him is a tacit confession that the surge was yet another in a long procession of Bush administration strategic fumbles.

But wait... McCain and even G.W. now agree... with Obama's 16-month plan for getting OUT of IRAQ.

It is pure pleasure to watch John McCain implode with every utterance, no wait - I meant everything that is prepared for him to read (badly) on the newfangled teleprompter gadget-thingie.

The only reason that I would like to see Mr Bush's presidency end is so all you haters will get off the man's back.

The current dems in office have proven how inept they are at leadership, and it will continue... their work week will probably drop to 2.3 days per week instead of the current 3.4 days they currently do nothing but waste time.

McCain is more of a man and leader now than Obama will ever become...

I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.

We have Repubs on oneside and Dems on the other. And inbetween you have McCain and a Hussien. If people would just shut up we could hear what was going on. Can you hear it?
Can you?

IT IS VICTORY AND ABSOLUTE SATISFACTION. MMMMM FEELS GOOD DON'T IT.

I'll see your Commander, raise you a General. I doubt you can call the bet.

When ask by a Congressman "what has this been for? (and) Don't tell us to remove a vicious dictator. Not good enough. The General replies. First of all, Congress, let me tell you that what we are fighting for is national interest. It is interest that, as I stated, have to do with Al Qaeda, a sworn enemy of the United States and the free world. It has to do with the possible spread of sectarian conflict of in Iraq...It has to do with regional stability of the region that is a critical importance to the global econonmy. As it has to do with the influence of Iran, another obvioulsy very important element in that region. In terms of what it is that we are trying to achieve, I think simply, it is a country that is at peace with itself and its neighbors...We're not after the Holy Grail in Iraq. We're not after Jeffersonian democracy. We're after conditions that would allow our soldiers to disengage. . That that is, in fact, what we are doing as we achieve progress, as we have with the surge..... well over one quarter of our ground combat power, five of 20 brigade combat teams, plus two Marine battalions and the Marine expeditionas unit by the end of July.

General Petraeus
As seen in the American Legion Magazine


Playing the numbers game, taking credit for time period unforseen by the wisest military commanders, your author doesn't have to be set down and his credentials are wasted.

The number of U S Military assigned in Iraq is far less than those assigned to other nations of the world where hostilities has ceased for 50 or more years. Germany still host over 75,000, Korea, 37,500. No one has protested or demanded their total withdraw in 16 months. Simply because they have and still serve a purpose. Just like 7,000 permanent assigned U S military personnel in the gulf region that's been there for years.

It's doubtful the General knows of Huber's existance. If he did, his diatribe not worthy of a read or rebuttal.

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
I'll see your Commander, raise you a General. I doubt you can call the bet.

When ask by a Congressman "what has this been for? (and) Don't tell us to remove a vicious dictator. Not good enough. The General replies. First of all, Congress, let me tell you that what we are fighting for is national interest. It is interest that, as I stated, have to do with Al Qaeda, a sworn enemy of the United States and the free world. It has to do with the possible spread of sectarian conflict of in Iraq...It has to do with regional stability of the region that is a critical importance to the global econonmy. As it has to do with the influence of Iran, another obvioulsy very important element in that region. In terms of what it is that we are trying to achieve, I think simply, it is a country that is at peace with itself and its neighbors...We're not after the Holy Grail in Iraq. We're not after Jeffersonian democracy. We're after conditions that would allow our soldiers to disengage. . That that is, in fact, what we are doing as we achieve progress, as we have with the surge..... well over one quarter of our ground combat power, five of 20 brigade combat teams, plus two Marine battalions and the Marine expeditionas unit by the end of July.

General Petraeus
As seen in the American Legion Magazine


Playing the numbers game, taking credit for time period unforseen by the wisest military commanders, your author doesn't have to be set down and his credentials are wasted.

The number of U S Military assigned in Iraq is far less than those assigned to other nations of the world where hostilities has ceased for 50 or more years. Germany still host over 75,000, Korea, 37,500. No one has protested or demanded their total withdraw in 16 months. Simply because they have and still serve a purpose. Just like 7,000 permanent assigned U S military personnel in the gulf region that's been there for years.

Interesting. I took a chunk of your "quote" from Patraeus, threw it in the search engine, and came up with Cong'rsm'n Wexler! But thanks for a counterpoint to Huber with some meat in it. [BTW... if you read the Wexler comment you have a counterpoint to your point.]

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But wait... McCain and even G.W. now agree... with Obama's 16-month plan for getting OUT of IRAQ.

I'd like to see a link to an article on that... there are no quotes or credible articles anywhere in a Lexis Nexis or Google news search that I could find. Even Obama himself won't stand fully behind that campaign promise. Everyone has said they'd like to, nobody has said they'd be able to. Just saying it doesn't make it true, something Huber would also do well to learn.

He's proven himself time and again to be simply another political hack. He's as part of a "spin machine" as those he denigrates, he just plays for the other side. This op-ed is a prime example... from trying to maintain the illusion of overwheling and universal adoration in Obama's tour of Europe (general consensus was that aside from the leg-humping press, his reception was quite subdued by the people he spoke to) to the attacks on Petraeus without fully backing up his claims to trying to squeeze Maliki's quotes into his own perception of what was meant. It's all the same garbage we've seen time and again from operatives on both sides.

His "analysis" is always spun hard left to make sure Obama is shown in favorable light. At least that's the trend now that the campaign is really ramping up. Otherwise they're usually thinly veiled personal attacks against people he sees as responsible for an ideology he doesn't agree with, his attack on Rice was particulerly absurd. The bottom line is Huber can't be trusted to give an honest opinion, and his years of service don't offset that or automatically make him more credible.

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Originally posted by Anbar7:
I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.

We have Repubs on oneside and Dems on the other. And inbetween you have McCain and a Hussien. If people would just shut up we could hear what was going on. Can you hear it?
Can you?

IT IS VICTORY AND ABSOLUTE SATISFACTION. MMMMM FEELS GOOD DON'T IT.

Are you still celebrating the defeat of Saddam Hussein? That is the only enemy of the United States that has been defeated in Iraq.

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Originally posted by bwf27:

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Originally posted by rayevinsonsr:
I'll see your Commander, raise you a General. I doubt you can call the bet.

When ask by a Congressman "what has this been for? (and) Don't tell us to remove a vicious dictator. Not good enough. The General replies. First of all, Congress, let me tell you that what we are fighting for is national interest. It is interest that, as I stated, have to do with Al Qaeda, a sworn enemy of the United States and the free world. It has to do with the possible spread of sectarian conflict of in Iraq...It has to do with regional stability of the region that is a critical importance to the global econonmy. As it has to do with the influence of Iran, another obvioulsy very important element in that region. In terms of what it is that we are trying to achieve, I think simply, it is a country that is at peace with itself and its neighbors...We're not after the Holy Grail in Iraq. We're not after Jeffersonian democracy. We're after conditions that would allow our soldiers to disengage. . That that is, in fact, what we are doing as we achieve progress, as we have with the surge..... well over one quarter of our ground combat power, five of 20 brigade combat teams, plus two Marine battalions and the Marine expeditionas unit by the end of July.

General Petraeus
As seen in the American Legion Magazine


Playing the numbers game, taking credit for time period unforseen by the wisest military commanders, your author doesn't have to be set down and his credentials are wasted.

The number of U S Military assigned in Iraq is far less than those assigned to other nations of the world where hostilities has ceased for 50 or more years. Germany still host over 75,000, Korea, 37,500. No one has protested or demanded their total withdraw in 16 months. Simply because they have and still serve a purpose. Just like 7,000 permanent assigned U S military personnel in the gulf region that's been there for years.

Interesting. I took a chunk of your "quote" from Patraeus, threw it in the search engine, and came up with Cong'rsm'n Wexler! But thanks for a counterpoint to Huber with some meat in it. [BTW... if you read the Wexler comment you have a counterpoint to your point.]

Key line in the exchange between Democrat Wexler and general Petraeus:

" We're after conditions that would allow our soldiers to disengage. "



The Question by Congressman (Lawyer) Wexler was omitted intotal since a disrespectful manner in the inference putting the great share of burden of the deaths of the 4,024 that died in Iraq on the General. Cheap shot from Wexler, who, as far as I can tell has little on no experience militarily except to endorse Kucinich plan of removing troops from the middle east. (Which is weird since his admiration for Israel and their right to exist.)

The question:

Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla. "What has all this been for? And, please, respectfully, don't tell us, as you told Sen. Warner yesterday, to remove a brutal dictator. That's not good enough.... Why did Stuart Wolfer and the other 4,024 sons and daughters die for?....Please tell us General: what is winning?'

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Originally posted by bwf27:
RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,172739_2,00.html
Hmmmm... I'm wondering if the slam-Obama commentators for Gaffney's op-ed will make it over here? You're hitting bullseyes here, Jeff.

Hmm, reminds of the movie – Dumb & Dumber…
Regarding Obama’s 16-month defeat and come-home strategy – he voted 96% straight down the ole – democratic follow-the-what-they-did in his brief part-time job in the senate…

Conveniently, he is able to voice his opinion about authorization for the war – yet, did so with zero consequence because he didn’t actually vote. Most folks know this already – however, “why” would he have voted AGAINST the war – when his comrades of whom he mimicked 96% of the time, voted FOR IT? Would Obama been so bold - actually break his 96% pattern..?

Declaring Victory and Don’t Come Home – which victory…? Afghanistan – oh, we’re still there, but did we win or is that still up for grabs? I guess it really depends, if McCain wins? Obviously, we now KNOW if McCain wins – the democrats will force us to loose in Afghanistan – or at least, (like they’ve done in Iraq) cause a stalemate to delay any possibility of credit going to our NATION. That might include the republicans - we know they couldn't stand for that, thus, now they will gleefully proclaim credit for themselves! But just in-case McCain might surely there are other Abu Garb’s they can resurrect. Surely our soldiers are committing crimes – murderous brutes – rapists – thieves – out of control – torturing innocent families – surely our soldiers are doing these things in Afghanistan as they did in Iraq as the DEMOCRATS repeated ANNOUNCED from the SENATE FLOOR. But, hey, it worked didn’t it! What's the old adage repeat LIE enough and eventually people will believe it so, who can blame them… I mean, really, let’s be real – out of the 200+thousand captured throughout these THREE wars – we allegedly made THREE terrorists gag for 15-45 SECONDS – and let’s not forget a few of our lady-soldiers saw Iraqi pee-pees and “OH-MY-ALLAH” those poor boys were so upset they were trying to commit suicide. Oh, but they were willing to do that anyway trying to kill us… but oh well, that doesn’t matter – we shouldn’t have upset them so… bad commanders – bad…
Obviously, these wars took longer than the democrats expected – Yet, I can’t help but wonder – if it gives the socialist democrats heartburn because we’re still there after “Declaring Victory…” hmm, what does it mean that we’re still there after THEY DECLARED DEFEAT??? Maybe we should ask Senator’s Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi!

So, what have we done over the last seven years… Fought THREE Wars – conquered TWO nations – potentially brought FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY to 100 million people – despite every effort by the democrats and their liberal socialist agenda to promulgate convince the American people & the world - WE LOST – WE WILL LOOSE – WE CANNOT WIN – WE STARTED THE WAR TO STEAL IRAQS OIL – IT WILL BE GEORGE BUSH’S VIETNAM – yada – yada – yada!

Ironically, it was almost 30yrs ago when the Soviet Union began their 9-yr war in Afghanistan and LOST! During that conflict the Soviets suffered 15-thousand soldiers, 53,753 wounded, 417 missing, with a staggering estimated 1 MILLION Afghani civilian and combatants killed!

Back to our wars… COST – thus far – 640-Billion dollars for ALL THREE WARS – cost of 9/11 Over 1-Trillion Dollars for that ONE DAY!
As predicted – violence is down 70%.

Facts:

• 47 countries' have reestablished their embassies in Iraq.
• The Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people.
• 3,100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction; and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq.
• Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating. 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program.
• The Iraqi Navy is operational. They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment. Iraq's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers.
• Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion.
• The Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers.
• There are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks. –
• There are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq.
• They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.
• That 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations.
• 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October.
• There are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%
• Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations.
• The Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004.
• 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently.
All this is just a brief overview…
All this was achieved by those the DEMOCRATS called – thieves, brutes, rapists, thugs, malcontents, murderers, torturers, out of control, etc, etc…

Gee wiz – I feel so humbled – to think while our soldiers were stealing, raping, beating, torturing, etc, etc, the (innocent) Iraqi civilians, the democrats were busily rebuilding and achieving all the above… I’m glad someone was looking out for our reputation… War crimes – yep, we SHOULD have war crime trials starting with the Democrats sitting comfy-cozy in the Senate… What a disgustingly disgraceful bunch-a-pukes!

As I’ve said before – the republican weasels that hide behind Pelosi’s skirt while the democrats persistently arrogantly LIED and deliberately enflamed and encouraged our enemy by their atrocious accusations, those republicans DESERVE to lose their seats.

Our Military personnel are the Greatest in the WORLD bar NONE! That GREATNESS is not because we have the fanciest toys and latest gadgets – it is because THEY ARE GREATEST!

Just some thoughts…

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:
The most important paragraph in the entire article:

quote:

Whatever the case, Petraeus and the rest of the neocon puzzle artists also have to cope with the general assessment that Obama is correct in saying we need to draw troops out of Iraq and start focusing on Pakistan and Afghanistan like we should have been doing all along. That gets dicey because they can't deny what he's saying, but agreeing with him is a tacit confession that the surge was yet another in a long procession of Bush administration strategic fumbles.

But wait... McCain and even G.W. now agree... with Obama's 16-month plan for getting OUT of IRAQ.

It is pure pleasure to watch John McCain implode with every utterance, no wait - I meant everything that is prepared for him to read (badly) on the newfangled teleprompter gadget-thingie.

Could it be that the country is actually at a point to do just that (because we have kicked the ever loving **** out of the insurgents using steps that McCain pushed for in the first place) instead of making plans (Olamo) based on we are losing and lets run while we can?

Seriously get a life.

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Originally posted by GlassOnion:
Our Military personnel are the Greatest in the WORLD bar NONE! That GREATNESS is not because we have the fanciest toys and latest gadgets – it is because THEY ARE GREATEST!

Just some thoughts…

As partisan as your opinions are, not to mention a weeee bit testy, on your closing statement we can agree. Can't give the time I'd like to to respond to your entire post, but I'm sure there will be other opportunities.