RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,166317_2,00.html

This dude is as accurate as Baghdad Bob. He needs to go to Tehran and surrender.

I agree, this guy spurts out his dribble and usually gets me all pissed off. Except for his anti-Bush statements, this article has more merit than most of his works I've read. He often makes up words when his internal lexicon malfunctions, and I don't have any respect for this guy, but the points he makes about the complexity of engaging Iran should be added to the overall discussion. Maybe we can go back to the ever-so-effective assassination technique, one or two key radicals within the Iranian government could turn the tides. We just have to ensure we send Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, et al to negotiate with these guys when we take out the conference room.

Worse than BagdadBob. He's an American!

Even when he attempts to pen something slightly related to what he used to do (E-2 hummers) the B.D.S. he has acquired always takes control of him...Sorta like Dr. Strangelove in that movie. Ever see it?

re Iran: The Iranians haven't been without water and electricity for a while and on purpose except when there has been an earthquake (we helped 'em). I'm thinking only air campaign here. Target set obvious. Nuc nodes, anything visible militarily, leadership, power, water, C2, etc. Ramifications? If we do it how much more can they hate us? Sure, the Rooskies may rebuild what we can't hit on a first strike eventually but what the hell, at worst it'll make them hate us more (hard to gauge that.. LOL) or maybe, just maybe, it might modify their behavior. Either way we could at least buy some time.. Also don't forget the Israeli clock is ticking..They may beat us to it based on reasons much more fundamnetal- their survival. WHEN that occurs the water will be really muddy. Think about it.

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At least Baghdad Bob was funny.. But you guys are being WAY too hard on Huber.. if he continues to work diligently at honing his writing skills, someday his columns will be good enough to wrap a dead mullet in.

I can see why you object to the BDS portions, but it is hard to figure what is wrong with his basic point ... that attacking Iran would stand to lose far more than any possible gain.

For those who ask "how much more can they hate us", while that might be true of some of the leadership [including Ineedadinnerjacket] it is certainly not true of the bulk of the population, who are for the most part sympathetic to Americans and most of our culture. Any attack, particularly on their nuclear facilities, which are extremely popular within Iran, would reverse any chance we have of getting a government we could work with for a hundred years.

I'm expecting Achmedinijad to let off with a bellicose, seemingly insane, rant here soon. Would be enough justification for the speculators to bid gasoline up to 4.50 - 5.00 a gallon, and would also fill his coffers a little more...

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Originally posted by oldmole:
I can see why you object to the BDS portions, but it is hard to figure what is wrong with his basic point ... that attacking Iran would stand to lose far more than any possible gain.

For those who ask "how much more can they hate us", while that might be true of some of the leadership [including Ineedadinnerjacket] it is certainly not true of the bulk of the population, who are for the most part sympathetic to Americans and most of our culture. Any attack, particularly on their nuclear facilities, which are extremely popular within Iran, would reverse any chance we have of getting a government we could work with for a hundred years.

One SSBN Los Angeles class sub could resolve the Iranian problem. In the twinkling of an eye. And sooner or later, that is what will happen.

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
One SSBN Los Angeles class sub could resolve the Iranian problem. In the twinkling of an eye. And sooner or later, that is what will happen.

I'm guessing most Iranians know this including the political leadership, which is why I think they aren't much of a threat to us.

They are a great and growing threat to us. Given enough time (as we are doing) they will develop nuclear warheads and they will use them against us.

Perhaps after New York or Washington cease to be functioning zip codes? Those that survive will take notice and do what needs to be done.

It gets exceedingly difficult to keep your head in the sand when your @ss is on fire.

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
They are a great and growing threat to us. Given enough time (as we are doing) they will develop nuclear warheads and they will use them against us.

Perhaps after New York or Washington cease to be functioning zip codes? Those that survive will take notice and do what needs to be done.

It gets exceedingly difficult to keep your head in the sand when your @ss is on fire.

well thats just what its going to take to convense a lot of people.... and it will happen with in the next 10years if we dont get our heads out of the sand....

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Originally posted by FlankerFlyer:

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Originally posted by oldmole:
I can see why you object to the BDS portions, but it is hard to figure what is wrong with his basic point ... that attacking Iran would stand to lose far more than any possible gain.

For those who ask "how much more can they hate us", while that might be true of some of the leadership [including Ineedadinnerjacket] it is certainly not true of the bulk of the population, who are for the most part sympathetic to Americans and most of our culture. Any attack, particularly on their nuclear facilities, which are extremely popular within Iran, would reverse any chance we have of getting a government we could work with for a hundred years.

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
They are a great and growing threat to us. Given enough time (as we are doing) they will develop nuclear warheads and they will use them against us.

Perhaps after New York or Washington cease to be functioning zip codes? Those that survive will take notice and do what needs to be done.

It gets exceedingly difficult to keep your head in the sand when your @ss is on fire.

I'm sorry but the USSR had a much greater capability to use nuclear weapons and did not, because of MAD and various other acronyms. The USSR had the capability in the 1950's and chose not to attack because the Soviets didn't want their country and the rest of the world destroyed even if they did want to control much of the world.

You state that one SSBN could take care of the problem, don't you think the Iranians are aware of that as well?

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
They are a great and growing threat to us. Given enough time (as we are doing) they will develop nuclear warheads and they will use them against us.

Perhaps after New York or Washington cease to be functioning zip codes? Those that survive will take notice and do what needs to be done.

It gets exceedingly difficult to keep your head in the sand when your @ss is on fire.

Where'd you get your crystal ball from? It's on the wrong channel.

Iran is pleased with the work done in Iraq. So much so that Iran's Iran's foreign minister, Manuchehr Mottaki, strongly backed Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's attack on the Mahdi Army militia on Wednesday. He said, “Weapons should be only in the hands of the Iraqi army.” The Iraqi army appears increasingly to be dominated by cadres of the Badr Corps paramilitary of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, headed by Abdul Aziz al-Hakim. The Badr Corps was trained by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, and it and ISCI are key Iranian clients in Iraq. What Mottaki said therefore makes complete sense. What doesn't make sense is the Bush administration's long-term effort to misrepresent the nativist Sadr Movement and its Mahdi Army, based in Iraq's festering slums, as Iran-backed.

It is precisely the closeness of the al-Maliki government and its primary current pillar, ISCI, to Iran that has made Sunni Arab countries such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia skittish about allowing it into the Arab League system as a full diplomatic partner. The Sunni Arab states largely do not have embassies in Baghdad, and Iraqi Shiites accuse them or their populations of surreptitiously helping Iraqi Sunni Arab guerrillas.
Juan Cole

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What Iran is really saying is 'Thanks to Bush and his administration, Iraq will become a Caliphate friendly to Iran, and it'll come with all that oil too..... And without Iran firing a shot in anger.' .... Exactly the opposite of the Bush administrations' declared aims.
It's starting to look like Game, set and match to Iran.

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Originally posted by foxred03:

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
They are a great and growing threat to us. Given enough time (as we are doing) they will develop nuclear warheads and they will use them against us.

Perhaps after New York or Washington cease to be functioning zip codes? Those that survive will take notice and do what needs to be done.

It gets exceedingly difficult to keep your head in the sand when your @ss is on fire.

I'm sorry but the USSR had a much greater capability to use nuclear weapons and did not, because of MAD and various other acronyms. The USSR had the capability in the 1950's and chose not to attack because the Soviets didn't want their country and the rest of the world destroyed even if they did want to control much of the world.

You state that one SSBN could take care of the problem, don't you think the Iranians are aware of that as well?

Besides, MAD already exists with Israel's hundreds of nukes, backed up by America's arsenal.
People may imagine Iranians to be many things, but suicidal they ain't.

Israel haas no nukes...as an Israeli officer told me once their nukes are ours.... whatever that means to me it sounded like they have none but if they needed one we would give them one.... but anyways it is suspected that they do but no proof of it....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
Israel haas no nukes...as an Israeli officer told me once their nukes are ours.... whatever that means to me it sounded like they have none but if they needed one we would give them one.... but anyways it is suspected that they do but no proof of it....

Oh grow up ffs!

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Originally posted by Squizzer:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
Israel haas no nukes...as an Israeli officer told me once their nukes are ours.... whatever that means to me it sounded like they have none but if they needed one we would give them one.... but anyways it is suspected that they do but no proof of it....

Oh grow up ffs!

you grow up

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
Israel haas no nukes...as an Israeli officer told me once their nukes are ours.... whatever that means to me it sounded like they have none but if they needed one we would give them one.... but anyways it is suspected that they do but no proof of it....

It is the worst secret in the world Outlaw. Everybody in the world knows that Israel has nukes, except for the Israeli's and you.

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Originally posted by hooah71:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
Israel haas no nukes...as an Israeli officer told me once their nukes are ours.... whatever that means to me it sounded like they have none but if they needed one we would give them one.... but anyways it is suspected that they do but no proof of it....

It is the worst secret in the world Outlaw. Everybody in the world knows that Israel has nukes, except for the Israeli's and you.

there is no proof of it none nada nothing.... it is assumed that they do but they havent proven it yet....