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Originally posted by 16529560:
I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

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Originally posted by helez:
RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,164758,00.html

WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT GEORGE BUSH's GENERAL TO SAY. The surge wasn't really a temporary surge, but a true expansion of American involvement all the time !

Thank God we shall have new leadership in ten months.

I have the audacity to hope for disengagement in 2009 !

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Originally posted by 6145060:
Bush's war!!!!! A man who did not even fulfill his Air Guard obligation starts a war,....almost as bad as Clinton the Draft Dodger.

I support our troops,..as I was a troop once,......they must folow orders,...even from an imbecile.

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I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by 16529560:
I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

That's fine in theory. But we're flushing ,


$12,000,000,000 a month down that ****hole.

Guess what - we need that money.

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Originally posted by 46driver:

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by 16529560:
I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

That's fine in theory. But we're flushing ,


$12,000,000,000 a month down that ****hole.

Guess what - we need that money.

You numbers are wrong. IKt did not matter what I costed the USMC if I sat in New River North Carolina, and flying as many hours than in Bagdad, think what the military cost sitting at bases through out the world.

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Originally posted by 46driver:

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by 16529560:
I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

Maybe you don't understand. We fired more practice rounds in the USA and used more fuel in the USA. you have no idea. get a clue boot

That's fine in theory. But we're flushing ,


$12,000,000,000 a month down that ****hole.

Guess what - we need that money.

You numbers are wrong. IKt did not matter what I costed the USMC if I sat in New River North Carolina, and flying as many hours than in Bagdad, think what the military cost sitting at bases through out the world.

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Originally posted by schmiddc:

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I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

In some ways I agree with you, I don't want to leave a situation where we jeapordize the Americans who are still there..

But at the same time, if the only way to acchieve peace is by indefinately garrisoning the entire country, what are we clinging to.

It really seems to me that this is one of those situations where both "sides" are a little bit right and a little bit wrong.
It would be a tradgedy to let the place leave haphazardly and let the place devolve into chaos.
There are certain eventualites that must be avoided, namely a wider war and wholsale disruption of the gulf oil trade. Until we can learn to be energy independant, the damage this would cause to this country would be terrible.

But, at the same time, the current structure/posture in Iraq cannot go on indefinately. It really doesn't who gets the Presidency, sooner or later the American public will sicken of throwing good money, and lives, after bad...

**Sigh**, ultimately though, Clemencaeu (sp?) was right, war can't simply just be left to the Generals, the country must be as commited, if not moreso...

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Remember, Viet Nam was lost in the press. We could not attack the North. Jane Fonda help stop the bombing. The NVC was ready to surrender. The press has the power to change people's opinon. Wright/Obama. what pair. We leave the General to fight and politicians to neogoiate.

When you set deadlines tne enemy waits for the troops to leave. it took 1-2 years for the North Viet Nam to take over after we left. we need to learn from the past.

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Originally posted by antarctica_moon:

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Originally posted by 16529560:
I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

That's fine in theory. But we're flushing $12,000,000,000 a month down that ****hole. Guess what - we need that money.

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When you set deadlines tne enemy waits for the troops to leave. it took 1-2 years for the North Viet Nam to take over after we left. we need to learn from the past.

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Originally posted by 16529560:
I believe thatthe troop should be maintained, which has decreased the death toll. You don't pull out in the middle of a fire fight. you don't surrender to the press. Let the Generals run the war.

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Originally posted by 6145060:
Bush's war!!!!! A man who did not even fulfill his Air Guard obligation starts a war,....almost as bad as Clinton the Draft Dodger.

I support our troops,..as I was a troop once,......they must folow orders,...even from an imbecile.