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The fighter jocks are a dying breed to be replace by the video game generation. A necessary evolution, however.
 
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The fighter jocks are a dying breed to be replace by the video game generation. A necessary evolution, however.


Only necessary if we never have to go air-to-air
 
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This really scares me, there is too mutch room for eror when it comes to inicent life.
 
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(2025) that sounds like a song I use to know something ( in the year 2025)like we will all be like worms by then because we don't do any thing. well if (you) take the human factor out of flying by the seat of his pants . are unmanned aircraft,its like taking the spine out of our bodys. so I guess we will all be like worms . why ? do you think there are war's to depopulate the world, Economic reasons,forget religion, forget the color of your skin.because if we don't die at a faster rate and people living longer pretty soon we will all be rubbing shoulders.there want be enough food ,medicine,living space . so forget all the fancy stuff and fight wars like they are suppose to be fought man to man hand to hand.
 
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I hope that the Navy is also working on unmanned Aircraft Carriers for these UAVs to fly from. That would complete the mission capability. These should be "kamikaze" type squadrons: intended for one-time use against the best-defended and most critical targets. This way, the weapons systems won't have to consider issues like maintenance, rearming or refueling.
 
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This really scares me, there is too mutch room for eror when it comes to inicent life.

Let me explane this, your 100's of miles away looking at a tv screen and a joy stick, dose anybody see what can happen here.
 
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This strategy puts the Navy at the forefront of the Pentagon's efforts to field combat drones; the U.S. Air Force has decided to create a manned design for its next-generation bomber for fielding in 2018.

I don't think the above statement is "totally" accurate.

If Creech Air Force Base ISN'T fielding Combat Drones; then, I'm confused:

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U.S. Air Force Fact Sheet
CREECH AIR FORCE BASE



On June 20, 2005, Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field officially changed its name to Creech Air Force Base in honor of Gen. Wilbur L. "Bill" Creech. As the commander of Tactical Air Command from 1978 to 1984, General Creech shaped the Air Force of today with a call for new weapons and tactics. He revolutionized the Air Force by espousing a philosophy of decentralized authority and responsibility. He was also known as the "father of the Thunderbirds," the Air Force's premiere air demonstration squadron.

The airfield that now bears General Creech's name was originally built by the Army in the early 1940s to support the war effort during World War II. A month after the December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor, the Army began building a training camp near the community of Indian Springs, Nev. By the end of 1942, the service had contracted for regular facilities and by the end of February 1943 the base was being used as a divert field and base for air-to-air gunnery training.

The little post was in service supporting B-17s and T-6s until March 1945 when the Army put the base in stand-by status maintained by a small housekeeping staff. When Las Vegas Army Air Field inactivated in January 1947, Indian Springs also closed down.

The base re-opened in January 1948 and two years later received its first permanently assigned Air Force unit. In August 1951 the base became an auxiliary field and in July 1952 transferred from Air Training Command to the Air Research and Development Command, reporting to the Air Force Special Weapons Center in Albuquerque, N.M.

In 1961 the base transferred to the Tactical Air Command. It officially became Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field during the 1980s. Following the inactivation of Tactical Air Command In 1992, the base became a component of Air Combat Command.

Along with being the aerial demonstration training site for the Thunderbirds, today the base plays a major role in the ongoing war on terrorism. The base is home to the MQ-1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicle which flies daily in Afghanistan and Iraq. The base is also home to the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Battlelab whose mission is to work with the warfighter and identify problems that can be solved using innovative UAV solutions.

Location

Creech AFB is located about 45 miles northwest of Nellis AFB. It takes an hour to drive from Nellis to Creech AFB. Nellis AFB provides daily round-trip shuttle bus service from Nellis to Creech. There is also a park-and-ride facility on U.S. 95 in northwest Las Vegas that serves Creech AFB and the Department of Energy's Nevada Test Site. Very few Airmen assigned to Creech AFB live in the nearby town of Indian Springs, which has a population of about 1,000 people and few services.

Major Units

98th Southern Ranges Support Squadron

The 98th Southern Ranges Support Squadron is responsible for the day-to-day support of Creech AFB, Point Bravo logistics site and the Nevada Test and Training Range southern ranges. The squadron supports Airmen assigned to the 57th Wing, 99th Air Base Wing and 98th Range. In addition to fire protection and emergency medical treatment, the squadron also oversees airfield operations and management, civil engineering, food services, lodging, transportation, logistics, communications and base and range security. It is also responsible for the bed-down and support of all deployments to Creech AFB.

11th Reconnaissance Squadron

The 11th RS operates the MQ-1B remotely piloted aircraft, a medium-altitude multi-sensor armed reconnaissance platform. The 11th RS is the formal training unit that conducts all Predator aircrew initial qualification training as well as instructor upgrade training.

757th Maintenance Squadron

The 757th AMXS has 350 personnel maintaining RQ-1/MQ-1 Predator systems, including 28 remotely piloted aircraft, ground control stations, and Predator Primary Satellite Links. It generates 575 sorties annually for worldwide intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and strike capability for three reconnaissance squadrons and the 53rd Test and Evaluation Group.

99th Ground Combat Training Squadron

The 99th GCTS provides warrior skills training for all ACC security forces and combat support elements at Creech AFB. This squadron provides advanced ground combat weapons and tactics instruction that enhance the combat capabilities of U.S. Air Force ground forces essential to sortie generation who are confronted with a potential for combat during hostilities.

Joint UAS Center of Excellence

The Joint Unmanned Aircraft Systems Center of Excellence improves interoperability and use, and examines the use of sensors and intelligence collection assets to meet joint operational requirements of U.S. forces in any combat environment. The COE is an operationally focused organization concentrating on UAS technology, joint concepts, training, tactics, and procedural solutions to the warfighters' needs. The Joint COE stood up at Creech AFB in 2005.

The Army initially led the Joint UAS COE with the Air Force as deputy. These positions rotate among the four military services. The center will eventually have representatives from all four military services and other DOD and non-DOD agencies.

Point of Contact
99th Air Base Wing Public Affairs, 4430 Grissom Ave., Ste 107, Nellis AFB, Nev., 89191; DSN 682-2750, commercial (702) 652-2750, 99abw.pa@nellis.af.mil.
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From A Proud Vietnam Veteran
 
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This strategy puts the Navy at the forefront of the Pentagon's efforts to field combat drones; the U.S. Air Force has decided to create a manned design for its next-generation bomber for fielding in 2018.

I don't think the above statement is "totally" accurate.

If Creech Air Force Base ISN'T fielding Combat Drones; then, I'm confused:

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U.S. Air Force Fact Sheet
CREECH AIR FORCE BASE



On June 20, 2005, Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field officially changed its name to Creech Air Force Base in honor of Gen. Wilbur L. "Bill" Creech. As the commander of Tactical Air Command from 1978 to 1984, General Creech shaped the Air Force of today with a call for new weapons and tactics. He revolutionized the Air Force by espousing a philosophy of decentralized authority and responsibility. He was also known as the "father of the Thunderbirds," the Air Force's premiere air demonstration squadron.

The airfield that now bears General Creech's name was originally built by the Army in the early 1940s to support the war effort during World War II. A month after the December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor, the Army began building a training camp near the community of Indian Springs, Nev. By the end of 1942, the service had contracted for regular facilities and by the end of February 1943 the base was being used as a divert field and base for air-to-air gunnery training.

The little post was in service supporting B-17s and T-6s until March 1945 when the Army put the base in stand-by status maintained by a small housekeeping staff. When Las Vegas Army Air Field inactivated in January 1947, Indian Springs also closed down.

The base re-opened in January 1948 and two years later received its first permanently assigned Air Force unit. In August 1951 the base became an auxiliary field and in July 1952 transferred from Air Training Command to the Air Research and Development Command, reporting to the Air Force Special Weapons Center in Albuquerque, N.M.

In 1961 the base transferred to the Tactical Air Command. It officially became Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field during the 1980s. Following the inactivation of Tactical Air Command In 1992, the base became a component of Air Combat Command.

Along with being the aerial demonstration training site for the Thunderbirds, today the base plays a major role in the ongoing war on terrorism. The base is home to the MQ-1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicle which flies daily in Afghanistan and Iraq. The base is also home to the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Battlelab whose mission is to work with the warfighter and identify problems that can be solved using innovative UAV solutions.

Location

Creech AFB is located about 45 miles northwest of Nellis AFB. It takes an hour to drive from Nellis to Creech AFB. Nellis AFB provides daily round-trip shuttle bus service from Nellis to Creech. There is also a park-and-ride facility on U.S. 95 in northwest Las Vegas that serves Creech AFB and the Department of Energy's Nevada Test Site. Very few Airmen assigned to Creech AFB live in the nearby town of Indian Springs, which has a population of about 1,000 people and few services.

Major Units

98th Southern Ranges Support Squadron

The 98th Southern Ranges Support Squadron is responsible for the day-to-day support of Creech AFB, Point Bravo logistics site and the Nevada Test and Training Range southern ranges. The squadron supports Airmen assigned to the 57th Wing, 99th Air Base Wing and 98th Range. In addition to fire protection and emergency medical treatment, the squadron also oversees airfield operations and management, civil engineering, food services, lodging, transportation, logistics, communications and base and range security. It is also responsible for the bed-down and support of all deployments to Creech AFB.

11th Reconnaissance Squadron

The 11th RS operates the MQ-1B remotely piloted aircraft, a medium-altitude multi-sensor armed reconnaissance platform. The 11th RS is the formal training unit that conducts all Predator aircrew initial qualification training as well as instructor upgrade training.

757th Maintenance Squadron

The 757th AMXS has 350 personnel maintaining RQ-1/MQ-1 Predator systems, including 28 remotely piloted aircraft, ground control stations, and Predator Primary Satellite Links. It generates 575 sorties annually for worldwide intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and strike capability for three reconnaissance squadrons and the 53rd Test and Evaluation Group.

99th Ground Combat Training Squadron

The 99th GCTS provides warrior skills training for all ACC security forces and combat support elements at Creech AFB. This squadron provides advanced ground combat weapons and tactics instruction that enhance the combat capabilities of U.S. Air Force ground forces essential to sortie generation who are confronted with a potential for combat during hostilities.

Joint UAS Center of Excellence

The Joint Unmanned Aircraft Systems Center of Excellence improves interoperability and use, and examines the use of sensors and intelligence collection assets to meet joint operational requirements of U.S. forces in any combat environment. The COE is an operationally focused organization concentrating on UAS technology, joint concepts, training, tactics, and procedural solutions to the warfighters' needs. The Joint COE stood up at Creech AFB in 2005.

The Army initially led the Joint UAS COE with the Air Force as deputy. These positions rotate among the four military services. The center will eventually have representatives from all four military services and other DOD and non-DOD agencies.

Point of Contact
99th Air Base Wing Public Affairs, 4430 Grissom Ave., Ste 107, Nellis AFB, Nev., 89191; DSN 682-2750, commercial (702) 652-2750, 99abw.pa@nellis.af.mil.
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From A Proud Vietnam Veteran

In away your right when I was in IRAQ the drons was used for night time survelance cause they where hard to be seen plus hard to shoot down, but I saw a NAVY add on TV where a salor in California was flying a dron in IRAQ. Is that just fantasy or dose that really go on.
 
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The fighter jocks are a dying breed to be replace by the video game generation. A necessary evolution, however.


Only necessary if we never have to go air-to-air


The only week point in today’s fighter aircraft abilities are the pilots. Wink


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The fighter jocks are a dying breed to be replace by the video game generation. A necessary evolution, however.


Only necessary if we never have to go air-to-air


The only week point in today’s fighter aircraft abilities are the pilots. Wink

Seen your Bio that thing on you got on Bush is priceless I love it.
 
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Can you say "Skynet" aka Terminator !
James Cameron has seen the future and it coming to a reality near you !
 
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The only week point in today’s fighter aircraft abilities are the pilots

There is a latency issue that they will have to work around for true air to air abilities.

The problem is that even going at the speed of light, by the time a signal goes from the UAV to the satellite to the controler stateside a second or so has passed. Thats why the predators switch back to local control for landing.
Its not an issue when you are reconing or shooting missles at ground targets, but in air-to-air, its everything. I envison, for air-to-air engagments, the "pilots" orbiting in some kind of AWACS type craft fairly close ( within a couple hundred miles) to the enagement. This would cut down latency enormously.

Truelly autonomous technolgy, the kind that can aquire and engage targets without human guidance or intervention, is much farther down the road, but it will come, eventually..
 
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I can't find a citation for the quote, but I heard futurist Ray Kurzweil say a little while back something like... "In 20 years the robots take over. Our only hope is that they keep us on as pets." Eek
 
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Yes; phillystake, it's for real! According to the "news releases" I've seen; qualified pilots actually sit in an "undisclosed location" here at Nellis AFB and by computer actually "fly" drones in Iraq and Afghanistan on Combat Strikes and Reconnaissance Missions.

I'm still "trying to used too;" the fact Air Force NCOs (Forward Air Controllers) sit on the back of mules, with a computer, looking at a "target structure" and they (in real time communications) call in an air strike, talk to the Aircraft Pilots, and assess the "after strike damage" and accuracy of the strike.

A "Heck-of-a-lot" has changed since I entered the US Air Force over 50 years ago.

From A Proud Vietnam Veteran


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In away your right when I was in IRAQ the drons was used for night time survelance cause they where hard to be seen plus hard to shoot down, but I saw a NAVY add on TV where a salor in California was flying a dron in IRAQ. Is that just fantasy or dose that really go on.
 
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This really scares me, there is too mutch room for eror when it comes to inicent life.


That Defense Distinguished Service Medal on your profile is pretty impressive. When did you earn that?
 
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didn't they make a movie about this like STEALTH or something and in that movie the UCAS ignored orders and killed civilians Wink just something to take into account
 
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Way to go, Navy...moving into the future with all due technical diligence & courage. I see this NUCAS development as a positive adjunct & addition to our nation's naval military preparedness, & projection anywhere in the world...after all, we are a world power; & there is no possible turning back on this now....
 
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The only week point in today’s fighter aircraft abilities are the pilots

There is a latency issue that they will have to work around for true air to air abilities.

The problem is that even going at the speed of light, by the time a signal goes from the UAV to the satellite to the controler stateside a second or so has passed. Thats why the predators switch back to local control for landing.
Its not an issue when you are reconing or shooting missles at ground targets, but in air-to-air, its everything. I envison, for air-to-air engagments, the "pilots" orbiting in some kind of AWACS type craft fairly close ( within a couple hundred miles) to the enagement. This would cut down latency enormously.

Truelly autonomous technolgy, the kind that can aquire and engage targets without human guidance or intervention, is much farther down the road, but it will come, eventually..


With light speed being in excess of 186,000 miles/second, distance is not a consideration; neither is the physical delay inherent in electronic circuits.

With regards to satellite transponders, which are away and by far the largest contibuter to latency, the problem arises from the software protocols employed.

As these issues could be avoided by the use of dedicated channels employing application specific protocols, that a 1 second delay is observed suggests that UAV control uses channels that are shared with other applications.
 
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